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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Yossarian-22 posted:

PSL are tankie scum tho who are all about solidarity with the DPRK, China, Russia, etc. DSA is a bit soc dem but it has the numbers with none of the tank

Imperialism is bad, but also the CIA is totally right about every enemy-designate of the United States. I'm extremely leftist and smart about it.

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Ruzihm posted:

i mean the reason trots splinter so much is because of the nature of democratic centralism. if you disagree you have no choice but to splinter. no tolerance for factions

democratic centralism isn't a trotskyist precept lmao

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Grand Prize Winner posted:

First priority: get that chain renamed Burger Comrade

Burgher Meister

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

*wipes single tear from eye*

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Raskolnikov38 posted:

based on that pic someone linked of cops posted at a DSA meeting i'd say its a p safe assumption that the FBI et al already have people on the inside

the fbi have had a black budget for infiltrations even after 1991 and for an organization of the dsa's size the likelihood of there being long-serving operatives from way way before this membership bump is somewhere between 100 and 1 million percent

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

also i hope jarofpiss comes in here and makes fun of me for missing the dsa social hour for the tankiest of reasons

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

"can't come to meeting, arguing about the holodomor on Tumblr"?

my meeting at the chinese consulate was pushed back a day

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

jarofpiss posted:

you didn't get to see any of the many many busts of lenin

im genuinely bummed about this. keep me in the loop, im in california for a week starting monday but will be totally free once im back

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

i see dsa people itt are already turning to the nyeah nyeah organizational model of making GBS threads on other orgs and parties and pretending their members don't do things

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

i didn't read the last page so i guess it's appropriate i missed dozens of posts in the dsa thread about Bat Man

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Ace of Baes posted:

*largest socialist organization since pre-WWII springs into existence in less than 12 months*

umm, you guys aren't being very respectful to the leninist-maoist-trotskyites

gently caress you dude

making GBS threads on other orgs for no reason accomplishes nothing

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

the people i've talked to in the local dsa have been good people doing good work and participate in actions and are doing all the right things so i don't think your dumbass posts are in any way representative. but gently caress off with that poo poo

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Ace of Baes posted:

I don't care about other orgs bc they're meaninglessly small and show no signs of trying to change that in any meaningful way, in my experience they care much more about arguing about dead Russians than helping black people so yeah

your experience is wrong and it's very dumb to universalize it. namaste

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

yes that is the stereotype. meanwhile here in reality, those parties you are so quick to dismiss are organizing and participating in actions against fascist insects, the carceral state, the police state, and amazingly not giving very much of a poo poo about the other orgs doing the same

psl is — right now! — building a dual power organization with tons of affiliated and non-affiliated issue and advocacy groups and it is doubtful they will mention hide nor hair of "dead russians"

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Thaddius the Large posted:

This, however, is a pretty terrible way of going about it, especially in telling a person of color that their experience is wrong, and is doing exactly what you're accusing others of. Socialists have enough trouble with the perception that it's a bunch of white people ignoring issues of race on an organizational level, if not outright discriminating, and doing so on a personal level isn't any better. Rather than shutting down that conversation, we should be open to criticism and feedback, and seek to be more inclusive of how to best advocate for the oppressed. Isn't that kind of why we're all here?

it's less "what you see or think isn't real and neither are your concerns" and more "my direct experience has been the exact opposite of that"

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Raskolnikov38 posted:

what exactly are they doing and where are they setting up a dual power situation

http://www.congressofresistance.org/call_to_action

it's pretty nascent but is showing a lot of promise

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Annual Prophet posted:

now here's an editorial the likes of which i never thought i'd see in a major us newspaper:

Socialism's Future May be Its Past


the piece has its problems, but in my many years of readership, i can't recall ever having seen serious advocacy for socialism (or something like it or transitinal to it) in the new york times

he cites the victims of communism memorial foundation, an organization funded by fascists that deliberately minimalizes the holocaust for anti-communist purposes

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

right, and the point is he could have picked literally any other source for that information rather than giving that scum pageviews via what must be the biggest platform he's ever gotten

R. Guyovich has issued a correction as of 05:49 on Jun 27, 2017

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Shear Modulus posted:

on the list of sunkara's sins i think it's small compared to his keeping connor kilpatrick on jacobin's masthead

yeah lol. also almost every article on foreign policy that goes into the magazine

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

jarofpiss posted:

we organized a march for the super bowl with the dems and had al green in front of 1000 people chanting "workers of the world unite" lol

to clarify for those not from or in houston: al green is a local congressman and not the beloved r&b singer

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Shear Modulus posted:

guys i thought we agreed that deray couldn't join

if they let in a snake like molly crabapple there's nothing stopping someone as benign as deray from joining

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

consumed by normies posted:



first class the only true communist way to travel. come to hanoi if you want an rear end kicking

im looking forward to the actually funded and functional high speed rail in china. for a good laugh i compared beijing-shanghai to nyc-boston amtrak

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

putting aside the philosophical problems of allowing cops or friends of cops or w/e in an explicitly socialist organization, if you are making any actual effort to challenge the prevailing ideology of the state it's in your org's best interest to self-preserve

you don't want to take any risks even if you aren't breaking the law, which dsa most definitely is not

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Venom Snake posted:

A much higher percentage of veterans I know support single payer than the average person. Should they not be allowed to participate because They Did An Imperialism?

you answered your own question by calling them veterans. even so an org needs to take every measure possible to ensure they aren't compromised. hint: it needs democratic centralism

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

the next dsa convention should have gold fringe around the door just to be safe

Venom Snake posted:

I don't know what you mean by the former.

they're veterans and not soldiers. they're not currently employed as armed representatives of the state. i would be careful about putting them in positions of leadership or authority, regardless

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

if the election was close the few dozen infiltrators that were definitely there might have helped swing it

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

gently caress. marry. t-rex posted:

i dont think anyone even tangentially related to law enforcement should have access to the complete membership rolls of a radical leftist org

what if the dsa....isn't a radical leftist org

*stadium full of people cheers, i have dunked the basketball and won the big game*

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

TomViolence posted:

Pretty much because crime under a socialist system that has definitively put capitalism to bed without its supper would be nothing like crime as we know it now. Consequently the approach to managing or combating such crime would require a solution radically different to the forms of police force that have hitherto existed under capitalism. At the very least a drastically less militarised agency whose purview does not include repression of dissenters and minorities, futile drug wars, mass incarceration or frivolously prosecuting property crime.

the last four things are a given but idk what you're hoping will happen to the inevitable counter-revolution if not, at the very least, politely repressed. if you're talking about after that, then sure. yes. but that's a stage of socialism that has yet to be achieved in reality anywhere

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

those people are dumb but, and let me just put this out there: who cares.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

trots: they're tankies now

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

everybody is a tankie. that fuckin bird outside looked at me funny. chirped, about stalin probably. tankie

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

TomViolence posted:

well you know the entire uk welfare state was built while slaughtering malayans by the truckload, so it's not exactly inconceivable to think that americans might carry on murdering brown people abroad while making some small concessions to the working class at home

you're a tankie now

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

safely sodomized posted:

how did austin dsa think this was a good idea

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

DSAGuidoVoice

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991


when you monetize this i demand half

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

austin's bad generally but they've also got a history of infiltration (scumbag brandon darby entrapped friends of mine) which makes this lapse all the more surprising

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

austin members posting in defense of the guy on multiple social media platforms is very bad for the chapter and the org at large

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

here's the official ranking of texas cities

code:
houston
san antonio











dallas



austin
i've never been to el paso

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

BrainParasite posted:

Sex work is real work and shouldn't be qualified with an "or even".

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Business Gorillas posted:

Spiciest Austin Take

whatever the spice level it's higher than most white austinites can handle

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