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https://twitter.com/nycDSA/status/825852554311528448 https://twitter.com/PortlandDSA/status/826193156139986944 Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 03:12 on Jan 31, 2017 |
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Feb 1, 2017 04:42
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jarofpiss posted:yeah got the new batch in the email and have an order to pick up from the printers tomorrow. sunday is gonna be lit in houston this is the first time in my life Houston sounded like a cool place to be
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Feb 1, 2017 05:14
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Weeping Wound posted:sheesh, with the outpouring support for DSA, should I just do that instead of PSL? Why not both? Obviously time is limited, but you could spend time working with both orgs and see which one you think has the most efficacy.
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Feb 1, 2017 06:45
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PSL is good, DSA is good. Death to defeatism.Ruzihm posted:My impression of the common DSA member is that they are sort of trotskyist in that they want to engage in a transitional program before engaging in revolution. but again DSA membership is pretty varied so i'm probably overgeneralizing on that. Trotskying the Democratic party is good, because they're libs.
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Feb 1, 2017 20:30
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Strike fear into the hearts of those MAGA C.H.U.D.s
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Feb 4, 2017 15:54
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Isn't there a prominent French socialist rapist who has the DSA's initials?
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Feb 5, 2017 18:26
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The anti-imperialist aspects of a socialist America are seriously underplayed in favor of the welfare side of things. Anti-imperialism is the one thing a socialist state can guarantee, which no other political party or movement is even capable of. Capitalism engenders imperialism by necessity, and the most bleeding heart libs are never going to give it up. Carter was the most pacifist president this country was capable of, and his administration still supported reactionary regimes around the world - including the genocidal reign of Suharto over East Timor.
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Feb 7, 2017 19:49
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GlyphGryph posted:I'd rather not talk about this at all ever because every "socialist" I've met that also claims to be primarily an "anti-imperialist" is in fact a raging imperialist that supports any imperialism that isn't American. Then don't talk about it.
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Feb 7, 2017 20:10
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Phi230 posted:the reason why they're nazis in the first place is because they're social outcasts. They've always been the nerds. Turns out nerds are also lovely people despite being victimized. Nerds are victimized because they're lovely people. Being a "nerd" only started being cool, because nerds have a ludicrously high disposable income and they develop identities around their consumption.
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Feb 9, 2017 21:41
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Ace of Baes posted:*While beating the poo poo out of a short kid with glasses and calling him a fag for answering questions in class* Trap sprung Teacher's Pet
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Feb 10, 2017 01:12
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rudatron posted:that's a really stupid thing to say dude, in general the people doing the victimizing were way more likely to be nazis The braces & laces crowd has a way bigger target group than that. Tuxedo Catfish posted:the answer to that is not "gently caress nerds" though, it's "goddamn well get there before the fascists do" I never said that anybody should dunk a nerd in the trash can or anything, unless they're Nazis. They are certainly not good people though, and there are reasons why they get picked on. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 07:02 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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Feb 10, 2017 06:57
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rudatron posted:What got me more was the excusing of the victimizers, because in reality, that group is a very small minority, and the reason they target nerds, is because they know no one will defend them. They enjoy the process of abusing others, and they target the vulnerable because they know they can get away with it. Deserve ain't got nothin to do with it. Tuxedo Catfish posted:they get picked on for the same reason as everyone else, which is "because children are half-socialized at best." Buddy if you think this sort of thing stops at adulthood, you're going to be in for a huge shock. This also isn't a strictly moral issue. There's a weird assumption here that the threshold is at functionality, but even functional individuals can have toxic views and politics. In this case we're talking about a group of people who overwhelmingly skew towards the libertarian or authoritarian Right of the political spectrum, and who would rather absorb themselves in fantasies than deal with the harsh and immediate concerns of reality. Granted, this applies to a vast swathe of people besides nerds, and none of them are good people either. Granted, I'm coming at this from the position that anybody who isn't at least a socialist is not a good person. I don't care if they're charming individuals, or good parents, or charitable, or whatever other qualities you think comprise a good person - because so were a lot of aristocrats, or slave masters.
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Feb 10, 2017 07:26
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jarofpiss posted:we counted 74 people tonight at the meeting so it was well attended. kept it short and tight which was good. then a handful of us went to dinner with two old guard from dsa and cpusa and they shouted at each other across the table about chile and the ussr and who carreeessss Should have told them that conversation belongs in the dustbin of history.
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Feb 10, 2017 07:33
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Yeah, that's nuts. Not least because you're not talking about the equivalent of aristocrats, you're talking about the equivalent of peasants, even before you get to whether morality should be defined exclusively in terms of political ideology, and even before you get to whether reality backs up your generalizations. There hasn't been an equivalent for peasantry since the sharecropping system was phased out (yes, I am aware that there are a few people in the United States who are still sharecroppers). We live under a completely different economic structure, but there are a lot of people out there who would compare first world workers to a "labor aristocracy" which relative to workers in the third world does make a lot of sense - and is only becoming less relevant because the compact between labor and management has almost completely eroded. Peasants couldn't vote, but we do, and Americans vote overwhelmingly for reactionary politics at home and imperialism abroad. The ones who do vote, anyway. I never implied that morality is defined exclusively in ideological terms either, although I'm hard pressed to see how somebody whose ideology involves mass murder and ethnic cleansing could somehow be a moral person. Perhaps that's just my political bias speaking.
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Feb 10, 2017 07:41
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rudatron posted:By saying "there are reasons", then giving a whole bunch of justifications, toy are in fact talking about deserts. You're assuming that I'm saying it's right to bully people because they're bad, when I'm not. Never said anything of the such. I'm not trying to justify anything. I'm not proposing any kind of just world hypothesis either. Justice is a much more complicated issue than an individual motivation. In a truly just world there wouldn't be any victims, but that's just not the case. People who victimize others don't lean one way or the other politically. It could be anybody for any reason. Tuxedo Catfish posted:Your average American's ideology does not involve mass murder and ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing maybe not. I keep thinking about Nazis while trying to avoid those comparisons, but that's where the conversation keeps steering back towards. It's certainly hard to believe that the average American gives much of a good drat about all of the mass death that follows in our wake as an imperial power projecting force abroad. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 08:05 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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Feb 10, 2017 08:01
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deadgoon posted:is it still ethnic cleansing if stop at ghettos rather than full-on death camps Hypothetically you wouldn't even have to kill anyone to perform an ethnic cleansing, you just have to dispossess people and force them out of your country. And there's a Hell of a lot of people who would like to throw every single Muslim out of the United States. Not a majority by a long shot, but the sentiments are there.
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Feb 10, 2017 08:25
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I don't care if you steer the conversation to nazis, it's relevant if we're talking about collective responsibility for a nation-state's actions. As of now, it's a country that's kicking, screaming, and biting every step of the way in favor of a different form of imperialism and the unchallenged power of capital. Saying that it's more moral to vote for a less harmful imperialist is just flat out wrong, because there are more than two choices on the vast majority of presidential ballots. Voting for an imperialist because you think no other alternative can win isn't a moralism, it's a fatalism. There's certainly a utilitarian calculus going on here, but it's also possible to get that calculus wrong. You're sacrificing your individual agency in regards to making a moral choice, in favor of making a utilitarian choice based on inherited assumptions. The only exception to this is if you live in a state like Oklahoma, where the standards for ballot access are so high that they only ever have two choices or a rich Independent as well. Besides, the Democratic electorate had their chance to elect a far less harmful imperialist (who would have won), but they elected the more aggressive warmongering candidate anyway. It's not very convincing at all that American voters care about foreign policy one way or the other. How far are you willing to take this line of reasoning? If the DSA starts running its own candidates on a separate ticket, are you still going to vote for Democrats even knowing that their policies are toxic to people at home and abroad? There has to come a point where you're willing to actively resist a system you admit is inherently immoral. The DSA can try to get its candidates nominated to positions in the Democratic party, but what if you're shut out? What then? Keep voting for the Democrats because you think the DSA might lose?
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Feb 10, 2017 08:56
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Well, I don't intend for voting to be the beginning and end of my political life, for starters. The system is designed to count electoral performance as a threshold of access. If you're only ever willing to not vote Democrat until you're sure of the possibility of supplanting it then you'll be waiting forever. At some point you have to be willing to eat a big loss to create a space for a truly transformative politics. Liberal and left leaning voters weren't willing to take any kind of risk this last year, and they lost big anyway because the opposition was far more motivated. That's what I mean about the utilitarian calculus being wrong.
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Feb 10, 2017 09:29
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MShadowy posted:It's definitely a plan, but my family have all somehow become quietly conservative and I'm stuck living with them in the middle of white suburbia; the message so far hasn't gone over super well. Hopefully I can improve my approach enough to get them to come around. I've found the most convincing way to approach it is to address the power dynamics of capitalism. If your family members are small business owners then it's not going to work, because they're already the powerful class. 
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Feb 12, 2017 02:46
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unbutthurtable posted:Who is Todd Hitler? pro follow
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Mar 15, 2017 11:59
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Suppressing everything fun and appealing about being the socialist alternative is idiotic.
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Mar 15, 2017 17:30
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It's ok to admit that you don't get the jokes.
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Mar 15, 2017 17:46
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https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/842080673066299393 this is why we meme
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Mar 15, 2017 20:27
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:Hell yeah we are think of all the normies you're losing 
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Mar 16, 2017 05:29
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The real crux of the comrade debate is that it doesn't really matter what kind of lingo you use, because if you're insanely hot enough anybody will listen.
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Mar 16, 2017 14:40
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SomeMathGuy posted:Glad to see comrade Jeb! supports the immortal science of anarcho-Hoxhaism. http://politicalideologycatgirls.com/comic/005-special-snowflakes/
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Mar 16, 2017 19:03
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The important thing is that liberals pay lip service to marginalized groups and classes, despite them being incapable of realizing justice within their own political framework. Socialism, in contrast, expresses not just a desire to achieve justice but creates the means through which justice can be realized - both social and economic - for all.
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Mar 16, 2017 23:03
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Business Gorillas posted:I mean this is what bernies doing right now. People pout about using "their language" all the time but you can pretty much take conservative dialogue and change out "the immigrant is stealing your tax money" to "your boss is stealing your pay/benefits". A major leap from libertarianism to socialism is getting them to understand that what they think of as "cronyism" was the necessary historical development of "Actually Existing Capitalism." There just isn't any getting away from the incestuous links between politicians and private capital, especially not when so many politicians are millionaires themselves. I dunno how you can overcome this problem without having to literally school them on economic history. Speaking as someone who used to be a libertarian before making the big leap to socialism, there's a lot of autodidactic will that has to go on. The capitalist classes have been guaranteeing their grip on state levers of power, since Napoleon crowned himself emperor of France.
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Mar 19, 2017 21:34
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Donating 106 dollars to a city councilwoman is an act of real courage.Thug Lessons posted:When people were talking about "neoliberal identity politics" a while back, this is basically what they meant. https://twitter.com/mcurryfelidae07/status/741966379105058817 Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 14:48 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Mar 22, 2017 14:18
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Nitrousoxide posted:Huh? Citibank settled for $7 billion after repackaging mortgages as AAA securities. Lockheed Martin manufactures war planes that bomb people in the third world. BAE Systems is a British defense contractor that services the US Navy, and manufactures APCs, IFVs, tanks, and self-propelled artillery. Booz/Allen/Hamilton is another defense contractor firm, but this one helps the US government spy on its own citizens, and it's the company Ed Snowden worked for and where he acquired all of that classified info. But because these companies are woke and don't discriminate against gays, they're honored at Capital Pride DC, despite foreclosing on gays, bombing them, and spying on them.
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Mar 22, 2017 15:09
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Baloogan furthers the cause of Leftism.
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Mar 30, 2017 11:50
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Business Gorillas posted:Went to the steering committee yesterday and found out that we're in talks for co-sponsoring a may day March and "potluck". It sounds like they're broke-brained and confused picnic with picaninny.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:25
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Dems like to think they're rhetorical jiu-jitsu masters but really they're just the foreign brigades of the SS
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Jun 21, 2017 20:50
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It's better that the DSA has a crisis like this now, with both procedural failures and failures in leadership, than later when you're already too big to go back and correct these sorts of institutional problems.
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Aug 30, 2017 14:54
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Lumpy posted:Wait, can we make it 47? Oh crap, birthday next week... can we make it 48? Or how about, just "anyone Danny's age or older"? anybody who remembers the 90s deserves to die, imo
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Aug 30, 2017 15:47
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Agean90 posted:So when we dissolve the NPC in the Great Bylaws Rewrite, do we just enjoy the power vacuum or replace it with something that has strictly defined role right away? Just wait for a new Majority party to sweep through and provide command at the most opportune moment.
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Aug 31, 2017 09:08
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I agree that we should socialize all the Daily Caller's automobiles.
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Aug 31, 2017 13:01
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GunnerJ posted:Folks, I hate to break it to you, but the moment Danny-boy released his first unhinged call-to-war screed, this stopped being about whether or not he lied on his job application and became about whether a maniac like him belongs in a leadership position, and his every action since then has screamed "no." Working for a right of recall isn't just some petty thing based on not liking one guy, whatever narrative it's convenient to push, the dude's clearly toxic and there's no current mechanism for the membership to give someone like that the boot. There's only room for one Chairman Bob in this country
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