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Karl Barks posted:i don't even get this, she sent a group text and they all responded with a smilie face with a gun? the smile face is just her way of removing identifying images/initials
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/DemSocialists/status/920146080758751232 to put this in perspective there are 34k homeless in LA
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Karl Barks posted:ah.. you wanted a brief respite from this hell world, where you could be happy about something for a brief moment. nope mother fucker i thought u were a leftist
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fermun posted:or to put in perspective another way, between all of the major tea party groups, there were an estimated 60,000 tea partiers in november 2010, assuming no double-counts how many of them had net worths 7 digits or larger
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Iridium posted:you posted in the thread, didn't you? great, another 14 emails a week in my inbox that i'll mark as read without opening
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Rated PG-34 posted:lol @ working with dems shot; chaser https://twitter.com/thehill/status/921122042690310149
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an actual dog posted:In my chapter, there have been points where someone was about to make a decision that they thought they had consensus on, but because of roberts rules they paused and clarified and everything worked out better. It prevents someone who is well meaning from making mistakes, it's not going to make someone not an rear end in a top hat. my only bristly experience w/ RR was when the PDX DSA chapter had a very exhaustive debate regarding an official statement regarding Fetonte. After over an hour of debate the members had hit a wall and were in 'please god let's just vote and get this over with' mode. When I attempted to point out that the drafted statement contradicted itself (starts with a call for Fetonte to resign immediately citing his CLEAT work as disqualifying him for the position, finishes with a "we will support a NPC fact finding mission, if it says what we think it will say he should step down immediately") I got shouted down for not following some part of parliamentary procedure and was functionally told that the time for me to make statements like that was over and that I would not be allowed to elaborate. I wasn't trying to argue for or against making a statement, I simply wanted any potential statement to have a clear and direct call to action. Next time I guess I'll make these requests before everyone's blood sugar drops too low.
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:what’s the 1-inch button maker everyone likes? I think our chapter has the bigger ones covered and I like smaller buttons anyway. https://www.usabuttons.com/the-machine-250/ My personal recommendation is to go with 1 1/4"- they stand out in the ocean of 1" and give you a little more room to play with. Also- you absolutely want the circle punch. It seems like a waste of money but it will save you so much time it's incredibly worth it.
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rudecyrus posted:Hopefully this poo poo with the DNC will encourage more people to join up. nah, let's just go w/ the guy hanging bedsheets on bridges
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Portland DSA: for when you want to continue banging your head against a bureaucratic wall but the wall is woke
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really wish I would have turned around to catch a peek of the robert's rules local expert who threw a fit and walked out after questioning the legitimacy of our chapter cause it was the same guy who condescendingly cited parliamentary procedure at me a few months ago and boy is he keeping that flame
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ScrubLeague posted:I got my card today, at least a couple months after I signed up. Nice. IIRC it took about 10 weeks for mine
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on hold with sex line posted:12,000 member dues lapsed this week. Yikes lmao ofc
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Ace of Baes posted:portland went from 5 people last year to like 600 for example and i believe we've had enough members present to have quorum exactly once since then. as of our current standing rules we require 20% but we can't change our bylaws without quorum and, after the last meeting, it seems like we're either going to have to go on a massive outreach campaign to beg members to show for a vote or we're potentially going to waste the time of 100+ people if/when a stodgy member hits the nuclear button and calls for quorum knowing it will halt all votes. this is all a very illustrious way of suggesting that all of you ensure that your local bylaws allow for rapid expansion of members without functionally removing your ability to govern yourself in the presence of oppositional members.
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Karl Barks posted:can't you just do 20% or 100 people - whichever you hit first we wouldn't currently hit either. IIRC we normally have ~100 people at meetings but not all are members. Goon Danton posted:We just lowered ours to 15% from 20% this week, FYI. we attempted to lower our requirement to 10%. we had a member who 'has been talking about quorum for months,' specifically our inability to have it, who was the one who went nuclear and called for it to halt all voting. i'm glossing over some bigger issues (specifically how despicable some of the regulations and guidance (or more specifically in this case, lack of) from national are) but the message remains- portland was in no way ready or equipped for the explosion of new members and we are currently gridlocked from making any actual forward movement on fixing our problems because of that lack of planning. I am skeptical about the DSA's ability to continue exponential growth in the future but there absolutely should be plans in place to help prepare if/when that happens. we need to learn from our mistakes or be doomed to become that of which we hated in the first place
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Algund Eenboom posted:let a million dues lapse this but unironically
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a cyberpunk goose posted:this is bad, National is doing a bad job, Siobhan and her husband Ned have been absolutely awful in the Portland chapter, Siobhan ragequit and hijacked the mailing list system to send a big dramatic resignation letter full of legit falsehoods about how the Portland chapter is excluding women and people of color. twice. Ned was a huge turd and after realizing that absolutely no one wants him around he rage quit his entrenched position as vice chair basically saying that he’d sue if he could afford it hahahaha jesus loving christ i hadn't read that email yet what in the world are they doing
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Tricky Dick Nixon posted:please pass that along to national there was a grievance statement filed by 22 members of PDX DSA against both of those members, including the vast majority of leadership, on nov 21st. you can track it down if you like. there was also a separate grievance statement filed by a separate oregon DSA chapter against them, as well also...
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a cyberpunk goose posted:multiple phone calls and emails is my understanding, they aren't reacting to the information appropriately, they know gently caress i just sent an email knowing that there had to be little chance they weren't at least somewhat aware of what has transpired. this news, if corroborated, is infuriating.
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a cyberpunk goose posted:Portland general went well, there is hope was very pleased w/ today's meeting one thing I don't think I'll ever be able to get over though is how fuckin antsy people are. I mean, I understand that the majority of people out there have a lot more going on than DSA but generals happen once a month. is two hours an unreasonable amount of time to spend for generals?
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Kilroy posted:wow! dominican or puerto rican? dont you dare make me choose
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LinYutang posted:weird how all of the bullshit comes from nyc and the bay, home to america's brattiest populations oh no you didnt
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Vhak lord of hate posted:go to more poo poo then since all they do is just pull "attending" names from facebook yeah- my page just lists "Members of Portland Democratic Socialists of America public Facebook page, as of September 24 2017"
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:https://twitter.com/jetta_rae/status/955550133164285953 the one where there are a lot of mobilized activists being completely squandered via a dysfunctional and toxic steering committee ?? oh, you wanted me to be specific? sorry, wouldn't want to be un-comradly!
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one thing I will say is that if your local has vague bylaws that allow expulsion based on very subjective definitions of adherence to democratic socialism ideology, local/national policies, or any other witch-hunt fodder then get those bylaws defined in more detail ASAP. I'm afraid things are going to get awful messy with november on the horizon
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PDX DSA finally managed to have a successful vote that pushes our bylaw reform forward today. After the last few months of discussion, debate, and, well, drama, we're finally making headway to putting the actions of the chapter in front of the necessary bureaucratic housekeeping.punk rebel ecks posted:Portland DSA should really advertise on the site better about the time for New/Potential Member meetings. I ended showing up at the time the general meeting was supposed to occur and but was directed toward the new member meeting which was wrapping up. I initially felt foolish, but over the course of ten minutes a dozen or so people came in after me. to be honest you most likely didn't miss out on much. I attended a new member's meeting back when I first started kicking around PDX DSA and it was, uhhh, pretty uninformative. The unfortunate part of our generals is that there is typically a lot of business to cover and it can take a long time to cover it. Things like Robert's Rules, background history of the DSA/DSA PDX, the emphasis on Slack as a means of information distribution/member involvement, etc., are things that are typically learned through repeat attendance. There is a myriad of resources available to do some self-education (slack being one of the biggest ones) but to try and get all of that info into a 10-15 minute presentation that also allows for Q&A is tough. If you're a dues-paying member you can request Slack access and start digging in. If you aren't a member yet there are a few people on SA who you can DM for more of an introduction to how things work.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Got back from Portland DSA general meeting. It was good. I'll probably come back next month, and hopefully by then I'll buy a membership and join that app thing for actions and events. I found it difficult to socialize with others after the meeting though. I was just gonna link you to this thread from the PNW thread but it looks like you found it after all. Don't stress about the socialization aspect. I've been digging in deeper over the last few months and I still frequently feel like a fish out of water in those environments. My advice would be to introduce yourself to a couple people at each meeting then say hi to them every time you see them afterward. That'll get the ball rolling and, once you start taking part in events/causes, you'll start meeting more and more people. I was getting flushed the first time I raised my hand at a meeting and today I was on stage addressing the entire membership 
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punk rebel ecks posted:That poo poo was intense. People were REALLY concerned about "reasonable chances of winning". Fun Fact: The debate you're referencing had nothing to do with the bylaws. That was only for our formal candidate endorsement requirements. Robert's Rules/parliamentary procedure can be incredibly obtuse and confusing for those not versed or familiar with the quirks of how it should be implemented. One of the good aspects of it is that the chapter can modify proposals on the fly- striking that line from the proposed requirements helped get the vote to a unanimous yes. It can seem petty or silly to quibble over small details like that but if 5-15 minutes of debate can put an issue to rest that otherwise could potentially create literal hours of painstaking bullshit (or, worst case, disbanding of the chapter) down the road. This is also why things like having strict guidelines on if/how/when members or Steering Committee members may be expelled is important. Most of the questions that I presented during the debates on the bylaws were not so much for my benefit, they were more to show the amount of work that had been put in by the bylaw reform committee to ensure that things were as airtight as possible. The attention to detail that PDX DSA has shown over the last few months may be dull but reflects the professionalism and actual representation of the members, in my opinion. mods please rename thread to "DSA: I was the bearded white guy" i was the guy speaking about the steering committee nomination/election process IM DAY DAY IRL has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Jan 29, 2018 |
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punk rebel ecks posted:I feel like I was the only non-white person there. Not sure if that's more so due to the DSA or Portland. Both. Portland is ~72% white and I'd imagine that the demographics for the current DSA attendees put that percentage even higher. From the start of my involvement there hasn't been much base-building activity; members are present in a large portion of PDX activism but rarely table/canvas for the DSA in a general sense. We've got some awareness/community service programs in the works (including successful national campaigns like brake light repair clinics) but still clearly have a lot of work to do if we want to materialize the inclusivity that we work toward. You heard some of the Bylaw Reform committee talk about the org's dedication to equitable representation on the new Steering Committee. We've put measures in place to support minority and marginalized groups throughout the chapter, now we've got to figure out how to get people in the door in the first place. I don't have much experience with the membership working group (I just joined the slack channel yesterday after someone referenced me there) but that could be a great place to get involved, if one was interested.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Can I still sign up for Portland DSA and use SLACK if I have a billing address for my card tied to Wisconsin? I believe so, yeah. When you get your national membership you enter your physical address and should be added to our roster. I'd recommend bringing your membership card/have your confirmation email ready to show at check-in; our rosters are usually a month or two behind. punk rebel ecks posted:Also, I heard that these socialist organizations tend to be filled with mostly upper middle to upper class people, rather than working or even the middle class. Is that accurate for Portland DSA? Did you miss the part during today's meeting when we literally unanimously voted to start a "Tax the Rich" campaign? 😂 I can't really speak to the demographics of the chapter, because we don't collect that data, but I do feel confident saying that is not remotely the case with regard to the Portland chapter. That being said, if someone self-identifies as a socialist and is willing to support, fund, and mobilize on initiatives to better the lives of those who need it (especially the working class, houseless, etc.) I'm not going to be picky over how much they've got in their IRA.
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punk rebel ecks posted:I wonder why this is? Hierarchy of needs, IMO. Any union-focused org (like IWW) is going to inherently be a better option for those in union jobs and for the rest it may be difficult to justify spending anywhere from 2 to 4 hours a month in the middle of a weekend day to listen to recaps on local activism. Recently PDX has taken measures to try and localize a little more throughout town; there are separate "quadrant" groups set up that will hopefully allow for more engagement, action, and local attenton through neighborhood initiatives. Theoretically this would allow people to engage without having to commit time to the overall housekeeping of the org but you still need to get them in the door, get them acclimated with Slack (which can be a huge issue for those who aren't tech savvy), and available during turnout.
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Yinlock posted:tbf that is a standard centrist excuse for not running progressives so i can see why they'd be worried I was pretty surprised that, A. it was included in the first place, and B. there were ~20 people who voted against removing it from the proposition. When someone said something along the lines of "I don't want to run in races I can't win" I nearly laughed out loud.
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Yeah, I dunno about that. I was going to chime in on the issue but had already flapped my gums so much that I figured I'd be better off letting things play out and simply make my voice heard with my vote. What I would have brought up is that the criteria for candidate endorsement was already pretty thorny and that if someone met all of the criteria and cleared the 2/3rds vote then I don't really give a poo poo about how "viable" they are as a candidate. If someone explicitly states, on the record, that they're going to support socialist ideology and are in line with the org's values and initiatives then give them the endorsement. What are we afraid of, losing an election on a city, county, or state level? We're already doing that every time they're held in the absence of a progressive candidate. Better to throw weight behind a candidate who represents us than try to get centrists or corporate shills to concede their platform in favor of ours. If members don't like an endorsed candidate they don't have to volunteer to canvass, phone bank, or even vote for 'em. gently caress. I think I just joined the reformation caucus
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achillesforever6 posted:When the PGH Chapter had an endorsement meeting with potential candidates, we only endorsed 2 because of factors like: they were the only DSA members looking to run, there were some reservations with a few of the candidates with their lack of socialist values, and the major one imo was that we didn't want to be spread too thin endorsing a bunch of people especially since some were running for statewide positions. From what I've heard/read PDX is making some pretty big hurdles for candidates to clear before they're even presented to the chapter for the vote. One thing to keep in mind is that candidate eligibility is certainly an argument that would be welcome within debate prior to a chapter vote. I just personally think including unquantifiable metrics in the endorsement policy "must haves" is too messy and prone to exploitation.
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GunnerJ posted:Good luck getting a speedy response, I heard the NPC is pretty busy.
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