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RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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I'm with the DSA. Boston Strong, motherfuckers.

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RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Venom Snake posted:

So infowars is harassing my local campus socialists and DSA chapter. Shits hosed up.

well don't stop there, tell us the rest of the story

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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rudatron posted:

Don't let them intimidate you. Never negotiate with terrorists.

I'm kind of curious to hear how that negotiation would go, frankly. "what do you want" "REMOVE LIZARDS FROM U.N."

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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HorseRenoir posted:

Remember how everyone got scared that Bikers For Trump would be the new SS until they looked at the size of the crowd and just stood there all day like a bunch of pussies

yes, or the Lions of Trump. Oy vey

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Venom Snake posted:

Milo wrote an article about us today saying we were inciting violence and preparing for a socialist uprising lol

yeah, an uprising within the democratic party in which we all get really stuck in with electoral politics

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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sorry

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Pollyanna posted:

its ok i got burger king afterwards :)

the burger king near there is pretty good, we should unionize it

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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HorseRenoir posted:

hey, our branch of the DSA was promoting an initiative to get the city to divest $3b from DAPL and it worked :toot:

https://twitter.com/cmkshama/status/829114245153333248/photo/1

fuckin' yeah

also that burger king is inferior to a small indie restaurant a block south that sells fuckin' LAMB HAMBURGERS

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Don't think of it as 'working with the democrats', think of it as 'parasitizing the democratic party to wear its hollowed out husk like a suit'

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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I also endorse basic gun literacy for all.

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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OhFunny posted:

25ish people at today's NH DSA meeting.

Congrats dude! Proud of my neighbor to the north.

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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an actual dog posted:

DSA should be more normie, imo. Like not changing policy or anything but toning down the "comrade" and memes.

We're socialists, dude. "Comrade" is fun to say! "Buckaroo" is also good, as is "Lil' Buddy".

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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apropos to nothing posted:

Also I hope it's OK to post in here. I'm not a member of DSA and can't become a member because I'm a member of SAlt and DSA specifically bars members from also being affiliated with any democratic centralist organization, but I still see ya'll as comrades. Myself and other members of SAlt in my area have been working with and trying to coordinate with the DSA in our area as much as possible.

comrade from another... momrade?

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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The work, in the end, is what matters. Our names mean little.

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Trying to reform the Massachusetts state party is looking like it's going to be a loving bitch and a half, there's something of an establishment cabal at the core of things who have wrapped layers of bureaucratic armor around themselves and burrowing through it is going to be exhausting and unreliable.

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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alsothere posted:

Hi, I just became a dues paying member cause my poo poo representative Issa just voted to kill the poor.

Welcome to the team, comrade. 🌹

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Internet Explorer posted:

There's been so much drama and worthlessness coming out of my DSA branch it is really draining my will to do anything with them. Ugh.

They can't all be gems. Sorry to hear it. :(

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Internet Explorer posted:

Yeah, can't win them all. :( It is both frustrating and encouraging that other chapters seem to be doing some really awesome work. For the time being I am just trying to help out where I can and spend the rest of my efforts on other progressive causes like Wolf-PAC.

If it's not too private and drama-laden to even discuss, what sort of organizational failure modes are going down at your local DSA branch that are discouraging you from participating?

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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platzapS posted:

Yeah but then why have a national organization? Why not just be completely locally-focused? I'm not saying we're responsible to solve the world's problems by declarations, I'm saying it's probably in our interests to try to coordinate with people in other countries more. I might have got carried away.

This isn't meant as a gotcha - how would coordinating with people in other countries serve our interests? They don't vote in our elections, they don't have agency over our ruling class, they don't have the same understanding of our local and state and federal issues that we do. I genuinely don't understand how international coordination is going to serve our interests. It might be something we want to do for moral/ethical reasons, but from a pure self-interest perspective, I'm sincerely not following you.

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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A couple of goons, GlyphGryph and me

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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It's not so much that trying to change the Democratic party from within is a great plan, it's just that there are no better, more effective plans available.

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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There's no option that isn't going to be hard and difficult and frustrating and enraging and futile-feeling for a long time. There's not gonna be a quick fix.

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Accretionist posted:

While you can mark me down as FOR regarding socialist cops, department-to-department variation is huuuge. Some departments are just street gangs. Other departments -- like my current city's -- are exemplary of community-policing.

I'd like to know how the departments are where police were rejected up-thread.

second

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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fermun posted:

National has managed to do poo poo all to help any locals organize so there's poo poo all chance of the same delegates voting to first ask their members to pay like 8x as much and then give national 80% of their own members dues while simultaneously calling for a more centralized top-down model.

National does need resources if it's going to help folks organize, so this could easily turn in to a catch-22.

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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empireofcrime posted:

I'd be fine with that as long as the majority of them aren't shitheads. Not sure what other slates there are, but I'm all for pulling DSA further left than dem soc/soc dem majority leadership and if the worst of it is a couple of snobs or whatever, I can live with it.

I know Jared Abbott. He's good - driven, dedicated, and idealistic without being unrealistic. He has an ideology but he's not ideological - his ideology yields to his observations, rather than vice versa. I respect him highly.

I don't know anything about the rest of them.

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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I'm apparently the only guy in the thread who's unimpressed by the Abolish Police platform

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Larry Parrish posted:

Abolishing police completely as a concept is so retarded it's up there with abolishing personal property (as opposed to private property) so I'm gonna assume it's like, a call to dismantle the existing system and rebuild it

It's worth reading; it's short, and the actually policy proposals laid out in the plank are far more practical / less utopian than the marketing makes it sound. But I hate utopian marketing :|

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Shear Modulus posted:

guys i think jaffe rules

He's not going to win his election but he's going to lose with some serious panache

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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really seems unwise to start poo poo like that when you're so grievously outnumbered imo

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Jeb! Repetition posted:

It's good that you're actually thinking about what to replace police with, but you also need to think about what to replace prisons with.

A prison that isn't designed to be super lovely to be in

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Business Gorillas posted:

I realized that I needed to take a step back from things and wait for something beyond mad nude tweets to make an actual decision hth

wisdom here

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Crazycryodude posted:

I'm still going. If I get shot by a Nazi... I dunno, kill two for me?

Is this where we want the police to be involved or what, what's the stance here on this sort of thing

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Phi230 posted:

Don't rely on the cops

I'm a big liberal and even I'm not dumb enough to rely on the police, but that doesn't mean they can't be useful sometimes.

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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That poo poo owns so goddamned hard

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Syndlig posted:

Update on the current situation:

My brother just tried to eat a thing called a four horsemen burger, and I was like it can't be that hot so I tried some and oh my god my tongue is loving lava.

important true facts

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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OhFunny posted:

A reporter from the New Hampshire Public Radio will be at our next general meeting.

Dress up nice and no gulag jokes unless they'll make normies laugh their rear end off

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Shaun King posted:

What I’m about to say could get slightly wonky, but I’m asking you to look past the legalese and understand that what we are talking about here are amazingly brave cops who put their lives and careers on the line to stand up for what they thought was right by not only speaking out against unjust practices within the department, but by actually suing the NYPD, their supervisors, and the City of New York to expose such things. I’m going to share five different cases with you that involve a combined 15 different NYPD officers who have taken the courageous step of filing suit to prove that the NYPD is illegally using arrest quotas. 13 of these officers are still currently working within the department. These are not jaded cops with an ax to grind. Filing these suits, while insisting on remaining cops within the NYPD, has made their day to day duty within the department a living hell. They’ve been harassed, ridiculed, and blacklisted, but have continued to push through not only because they love their jobs, but because they want to change the department from the inside out.

Maybe???

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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I'm a member of the DSA Milquetoast Social Democrat Caucus and I shan't apologize

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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Doc Hawkins posted:

Not even for killing Rosa?!

DSA Slay Rosé Erry Day

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RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
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BrainParasite posted:

This could be the beginning of an argument for parecon.

parecon is an argument for capitalism

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