DSA: our brake light guy got arrested for beating his wife

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Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

I'm involved with the Boston DSA. if you'd like to be put on our mailing list for events let me know, and I can get you on there. Either post in this thread or send me a PM.

# ¿ Jan 31, 2017 15:19

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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 09:48

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

Eustace posted:

NC DSA member here. I'm working on getting a chapter organized in Asheville. Do any of y'all know what other socialist groups think of the DSA? I'm pretty new to the leftist circular firing squad, so I wanted to get a feel for what the other socialist groups in town are going to accused me of.

don't worry about it so much, imo

# ¿ Jan 31, 2017 16:19

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

owl_pellet posted:

I've been reading about the DSA's stances both on their website and on Wikipedia. I think I would ultimately like to join, and I would like to go to a local chapter meeting to find out what they are working on locally, but I am also curious about something that I would like to get opinions on from people in the thread. Wikipedia says that the DSA doesn't always endorse a presidential candidate but when they do their endorsements historically seem to have been Democrats and usually not particularly left-leaning Democrats at that. Why is that? Why not Socialist candidates?

I believe the general attitude is to only endorse candidates that realistically could win on the national level. keep in mind the DSA is very decentralized, so individual chapters can disagree with national's decisions. as far as I know, they've only endorsed presidential candidates like 4 times - mondale, jackson, kerry (which is the most suspect one, but given what was going on in 2004...), and obama. they also endorsed bernie.

# ¿ Jan 31, 2017 17:30

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Nerds are victimized because they're lovely people. Being a "nerd" only started being cool, because nerds have a ludicrously high disposable income and they develop identities around their consumption.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2017 01:46

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism

# ¿ Feb 10, 2017 22:40

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

consumed by normies posted:

someone replace swp with dsa tia

# ¿ Feb 13, 2017 17:56

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

okay

# ¿ Feb 13, 2017 18:23

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

socialism, it's free real estate

# ¿ Apr 21, 2017 18:11

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

https://twitter.com/awnyermarx/status/855496818679046146

# ¿ Apr 21, 2017 20:03

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

nick mullen, who is head of the DSA, endorsed him and said he lvoed him

# ¿ Apr 22, 2017 00:00

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

why is larry website locked

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 23:37

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

Ace of Baes posted:

If you can't handle repeated soul crushing disappointment on at least a semi-regular basis life is gonna be a rough ride.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2017 18:54

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

an actual dog posted:

only a few hours left to vote

https://twitter.com/AnchorageDSA/status/856945247107940352

where are the jobs. where are they? also what is your favorite food

# ¿ Apr 26, 2017 23:11

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

that bulgogi guy is the guy who shows up to the DSA meeting and tells everyone they're doing everything wrong and they should all just listen to him

# ¿ May 11, 2017 20:25

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

Ruzihm posted:

From the effective leftism thread:

yeah people are fairly upset about this. here's the guy who stole poo poo from the meeting: https://twitter.com/Dog0fWar88

# ¿ May 12, 2017 17:06

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

lmao @ using the term job creator

# ¿ Jun 21, 2017 20:52

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

R. Guyovich posted:

he cites the victims of communism memorial foundation, an organization funded by fascists that deliberately minimalizes the holocaust for anti-communist purposes

he doesn't cite them approvingly

# ¿ Jun 27, 2017 19:16

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

R. Guyovich posted:

right, and the point is he could have picked literally any other source for that information rather than giving that scum pageviews via what must be the biggest platform he's ever gotten

oh okay

# ¿ Jun 27, 2017 19:16

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

i think people are too hard on bhaskar tho

# ¿ Jun 27, 2017 19:17

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

i went to a electoral working group meeting for boston dsa and had an interesting time. the agenda was voting on who to endorse in upcoming elections. we started the meeting saying we would only endorse socialists, but by the end had voted to endorse multiple people who explicitly said they were not socialists. i was fairly miffed. it was my first meeting so I didn't push too hard, but yeah. not cool.

at one point, someone brought up the fact that one candidate was backing charter schools, and there was some back and forth on whether this was okay. one of the guys in the group asked how charter schools polled in that district and i almost burst out laughing. folks, don't join dsa if ur just a liberal.

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 03:51

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

charter schools are antithetical to socialism this shouldn't be hard

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 04:33

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

then socialists should be come cops, not the other way around

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 16:44

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

but i don't know if i can even support that

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 16:45

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

ahaha holy poo poo threre really is a DSA twitter civil war

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 17:08

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

i know this is toxic male masculinity, but there is such a thing as constructive criticism and if u just sit on twitter all day and hurl insults it's kind of lovely and you'll eventually piss off people

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 17:12

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

completely normal human being stuff https://twitter.com/twitersgoodgirl/status/880812109352796160

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 17:14

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

if u want to go down the rabbit hole of insanity

https://twitter.com/twitersgoodgirl/status/880591271760461825

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 17:38

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

shrouding your lovely behavior in opposing "respectability politics" is insanely good

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 18:58

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

Vhak lord of hate posted:

Then say "What are you getting mad at me for? I haven't actually done anything I've only threatened to spit on and jump larry" but then in the same breath imply responding to them is actually violence. This is what happens when you never leave online.

"why are you fixating on the fact i threatened to spit on and beat up someone??"

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 19:25

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

unbutthurtable posted:

I held off on twitter, but I really wanted to go off on that poo poo.

Right now, DSA has a lot of legacy leadership. These are people who were great, legitimate leaders when DSA was 5000 members, the vast majority of which were inactive, and the stakes were low.

Now, we're five times that membership, a higher portion are active, and we have a huge glut of people who do work within the purview of DSA who aren't technically part of that number. AND the stakes are high.

And yet these people are still leaders. Some are leaders because there hasn't been an election since the situation has changed. Some are leaders because, while there was an election, there was institutional inertia that gave them just the right amount of name-recognition that they kept their positions. The fact of the matter is that a ton of these people just plain aren't suited to the demands of the positions right now, and they don't want to empower people below them, or expand the leadership structure, because they (largely good-naturedly and unconsciously) know how tenuous their positions are.

They're just not suited to what DSA has become since they became leaders. Moreover, a large portion of them (not 100% sure they're a majority) seem to think that DSA has become what it's become because of their efforts and perspectives. The truth is that the vast majority of our growth is due to the pull of Bernie Sanders and push of Donald Trump. The idea that these legacy leaders brought us here just reinforces their confidence in sticking to their current patterns and structures.

tl;dr Sanders/Trump for National Co-Chairs

this is exactly what larry website (i'm starting to feel silly typing this) was saying in response to her criticism, and instead she acted like a lil baby child and threw a tantrum

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 20:14

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

https://twitter.com/LarryWebsite/status/880628669127036929

read through here, he is completely 100% reasonable

edit: i guess he went private

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 20:48

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

if you've ever worked in an organization like this, there are always people like this. and they always drag everythign down and it sucks poo poo

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 20:54

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

slicing up eyeballs posted:

It came out that there's a mechanism where a chapter can get dues kicked back to them if members registered through the chapter, but it was never publicized. That and the uncertainty of where dues are going are serious problems. Fortunately, there's an amendment being proposed to codify 50% dues kickback to chapters:

https://twitter.com/fearwig/status/880770589333438464

I agree with tgg & everyone calling out national, but I'm really confused at how antagonistic they were to people trying to help, like officers from other chapters. If I had to guess, this has been a frustration for them for a while, and it blew up last night.

Is it true that the national meeting is the only opportunity to determine platform/policy etc? If so, that's also hosed and exclusionary, especially when we can vote by internet

national conventions stipulating the rules for the following year are extremely common for organizations like this

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 21:08

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

apropos to nothing posted:

I'm not a member of DSA so I have no clue. My understanding is anyone is able and to join so long as they pay dues to national and don't do a couple of things that are specifically banned. I am sure there are cops who are part of DSA right now. I feel like this is a mistake and I've explained why. Police officers engage in anti-union and anti-working class activity often times as part of their job, which makes it very hard for them to be brought into class struggle, at least on the correct side anyway.

yeah technically there is currently no way to prevent a cop from joining the national DSA. local chapters have their own bylaws tho.

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 21:09

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

who is this robert and why do we have to follow his rules???

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 21:22

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

Kunster posted:

A frustration that mirrored the sentiments from reports from rural democrat canvassers in the 2016 Election getting underfunded/outright ignored by the DNC, which after months of "We told you so" from Jacobin et al Types, seems to not apply to the DSA walking into the same trap.

lol these are not similar in any way shape or form

# ¿ Jun 30, 2017 22:45

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

Important to keep in mind local chapters literally did not exist until about 6 months ago

# ¿ Jul 2, 2017 16:42

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

you can give money to both national and local

# ¿ Jul 7, 2017 21:16

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

that's fine but remember that the smaller chapters will rely on money from national

# ¿ Jul 7, 2017 21:20

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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 09:48

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

that pizza looks barely cooked

# ¿ Jul 25, 2017 18:19

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