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UFC February - Dokdo, island of Corea in East Sea Last Month’s Thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3803696 Hi I’m your substitute OP for the month while Memento is off doing some crap somewhere. By far the biggest news for us was the departure of long time mod and PSP grappledad Fatherdog: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3806415 Bluedeanie posted:Other important Rowdy Ringsports MMA news of the past month: January was a pretty quiet month for UFC, especially after the madhouse which was December. We only had two events, with exactly zero titles on the line. UFC Fight Night: Rodriguez vs. Penn was more or less a reminder of why “return from retirement” is always a bad idea. Yair Rodriguez beat the piss out of UFC Hall of Famer BJ Penn, in a featherweight fight which was equal parts sad and impressive. Yair moved from prospect to contender via TKO, handing BJ his first career knockdown. One notable highlight from that card is Oleksiy Oiynyk’s early Sub of the Year performance with a probably-never-to-be-repeated Ezekiel choke from bottom mount. Meanwhile UFC on Fox: Shevchenko vs Peña offered a bit more action and divisional relevance. In the W135 #1 contender main event Valentina Shevchenko, a Kyrgistani who lives in Peru, faced off against Juliana Peña, an American from Spokane who calls herself “The Venezuelan Vixen.” Goons rejoiced as Shevchenko put the much-loathed Peña away with a third-round armbar, likely cementing herself a rematch of her 2016 decision loss to Nunes. Other highlights include Francis Ngannou moving from Heavyweight prospect to probable contender with a much-needed name TKO over Andrei Arlovski, and Jorge Masvidal administering two life-changing beatings to fan favourite Donald Cerrone, in front of Cerrone’s friends and family. This card was pretty fun all around actually. Anyway, February has a bit more activity than January. February 4th starts us right with UFC Fight Night: Bermudez vs Korean Zombie, live from Houston. The main event has goons excited enough to get an international territorial dispute into the thread title because Korean featherweight Chan Sung Jung, the only UFC fighter promoted mostly by his nickname, is returning to MMA after an extended absence for mandatory Korean military service. We last saw him getting his arm kicked off by Jose Aldo in an unsuccessful 2013 title bid. If you’re a PSP newcomer who has never seen TKZ (as he’s known) fight, watch these now: https://www.ufc.tv/video/leonard-garcia-vs-chan-sung-jung-wec-48 https://www.ufc.tv/video/chan-sung-jung-vs-leonard-garcia-ufn-24 https://www.ufc.tv/video/chan-sung-jung-vs-mark-hominick-ufc-140 https://www.ufc.tv/video/chan-sung-jung-vs-dustin-poirier-ufc-fight-night TKZ is hands down one of the all-time most exciting fighters in the sport. What separates him from other action fighters is that he’s amazingly diverse and actually kind of good at fighting. He’s one of two fighters with consecutive Submission of the Night, Knockout of the Night, and Fight of the Night awards (ne’er to be repeated – Cerrone is the other. Anderson Silva got all three bonuses in two fights), and one of the ten or so with a double-award winning fight. He has twice won fight of the year, he is the owner of the only twister victory in UFC history, and he is tied for fastest official* KO (0:07). His fight against Dustin Poirier (linked above) is one of my all-time favourites. All of this on top of a rad nickname. But even without two+ years of injury recovery and ring rust, Dennis “The Menace” Bermudez is a handful for TKZ. Bermudez is the one-time owner of a seven-fight win streak (which included a split-decision win over current interim champ Max Holloway), and he has a few performance bonuses of his own. He’s essentially the archetypical stocky American wrestler who grinds his way to decision wins, though he’s capable of ending fights suddenly with a Big Right Hand or a muscley strangle. I posted a bunch of TKZ vids so have one classic Bermudez fight: https://www.ufc.tv/video/ufc-157-fotn-dennis-bermudez-vs-matt-grice Apparently Dennis Bermudez is also the Guinness record holder for drinking a litre of juice through a straw.  This card features the return of Invicta FC standout Alexa Grasso, who will be tasked with the punching of annoying person Felice Herrig.UFC 208: Holm vs de Randamie follows on February 11, from Brooklyn. This will be the first title fight of 2017. Former bantamweight champion, pro boxing champ, distinguished Ronda Rousey knocker-outer, and gynocological specimen Holly Holm meets Dutch kickboxing standout Germaine de Randamie for the inaugural Women’s featherweight champ. I have to editorialize a bit here – I care about WMMA more than the average goon, and I still don't see the point of this fight or division. Basically, the UFC has been trying for some time to make some bank off of Chris Cyborg, a gigantic muscle woman known for anti tai-bo skills which rival Jose Aldo’s anti-wrestling. She couldn’t make 135 for a superfight vs Rousey, she couldn’t convince Rousey to meet her at 140, and then Rousey lost and 140 became too hard for Cyborg. The UFC made a division and a title just for her, but she turned down both Holm and de Randamie as her first opponent. Long story short, USADA came a-knocking, and now Holm is getting an opportunity to become the fourth two-divisional champion in UFC history and de Randamie gets a chance to ruin that party. There is no contender and no other fights scheduled at this weight class. The only way this will turn out well is if we see a bunch of women move up from 135 because they’re sick of cutting weight, which is actually probably a good thing for the health of all involved, and then a subsequent exodus from the 125 division into 135. The more likely outcome will see this title defended once a year on the main events of third-tier cable and FightPass cards until people forget it exists. The co-main here sees all time great Anderson Silva attempt to snap his four-fight losing streak against Derek Brunson. Brunson is pretty much the kind of powerful-but-crude wrestle boxer who Silva made a Hall of Fame career out of countering to death. A quite-possible Silva loss here would make a strong argument for his retirement, especially if the heavy-handed Brunson manages a KO. We end the month with UFC Fight Night: Lewis vs. Browne, from Halifax, Nova Scotia. The original main event of this was supposed to be Junior Dos Santos vs Stefan Struve II, but Struve got hurt and now JDS is rumoured to be fighting Miocic for the title on a different card. Instead, the good people of Nova Scotia get to see Instagram superstar Derek “The Black Beast” Lewis fight Travis “Tiki Themed Turd Golem” Browne. Prospect Lewis is coming off of a lacklustre win over a Dagestani create-a-fighter, whereas Browne is coming off of a decision loss in a rematch against former champ Fabricio Werdum. That the co-main event pits Johny Hendricks vs Hector Lombard in a middleweight bout means that this card features the highest density of goon-hated fighters in recent memory. Browne is a wife-beating turd, Johny Hendricks misses weight because he can’t poop, and Hector Lombard is a steroid-abusing piece of poo poo. Other noted turds on this card include Sam Sicilia, who is mediocre and people seem to dislike him possibly because he trains with Pena, and Carla Esparza. Anyway... Important Champions (images shamelessly stolen from Memento)  Men’s Heavyweight Champ Stipe Miocic (18-2) Stipe KOed Fabricio Werdum to win the title, and then in his first defence beat up Alistair Overeem so bad that the UFC changed its post-fight interview policies. Stipe has no officially scheduled defences, but rumours are putting him into a rematch with Junior Dos Santos at UFC 211. Dos Santos took a decision win over Stipe in late 2014. If Stipe wins he will tie the record for most heavyweight title defences (2).  Men’s Light Heavyweight Champion – Daniel Cormier (19-1) Olympic wrestler Cormier is booked to defend his title against Anthony “Rumble” Johnson at UFC 210, a rematch of a 2015 fight for the vacant championship which saw Johnson threaten an early KO before gassing. Cormier is a champ with a lot of baggage – he lives in the shadow his sole loss to disgraced-champion Jon Jones, who has done more than any opponent more to harm his own career, he stands atop the tepid remains of was once the UFC’s flagship division, and he’s coming off of a much-panned non-title victory over Anderson Silva at UFC 200. On top of all that, he trains at American Kickboxing Academy, so he gets injured a lot.  Men's Middleweight Champion - Michael Bisping (37-7) Bisping picked up a late-career title with a nobody-saw-it-coming KO of Luke Rockhold last year. He is coming off of his first title defence, taking a closely-contested rematch decision against wrestledad Dan Henderson. Yoel Romero is the contender presumptive, having lobotomized former Chris Weidman in Madison Square Garden, but nothing is booked. I think Bisping is injured or some poo poo. 1st AD posted:I feel like for as long as Bisping is champion, we need to have this quote:  Men's Welterweight Champion - Tyron Woodley (16-3-1) Tyron “The Chosen One” Woodley took his title by quick KO of Robbie Lawler last year. He is coming off of an exciting-at-times (if being kind) draw against Steven “Wonderboy” Thompson, and they’re expected to rematch at UFC 209 in March. Goons dislike Woodley and spend a lot of time arguing about why it’s right to dislike him. He was last seen teaching Sage Northcutt that racism is a thing.  Men's Lightweight Champion - Conor McGregor (21-3) McGregor is still McGregor. The only fight to which he’s even slightly connected right now is one against retired 49-0 boxing champion Floyd Mayweather, so basically he’s not connected to any fights which will ever happen.  Men's Featherweight Champion - Jose Aldo Jr. (26-2)  Men's Interim Featherweight Champion - Max Holloway (17-3) Holloway and Aldo both suffered their last losses to Conor McGregor, who since fled featherweight to become the first two-division concurrent ufc champion by KOing Eddie Alvarez. MacGregor has since been stripped of the 145 lb belt, holding only the lightweight title now. Aldo rebounded by outclassing Frankie Edgar for an interim title, which was then promoted to full championship so that Holloway parlay a 9-fight winning streak into an interim title fight against former Lightweight champion Anthony Pettis. These two guys will fight, and it will be rad, but we don’t know when it will happen.  Men's Bantamweight Champion - Cody Garbrandt (11-0) “No Love” actually outclassed long-time Bantamweight kingpin Dominic Cruz for the title in December. No defence scheduled, Garbrandt is coaching The Ultimate Fighter Season 25 opposite former champion T.J. Dillashaw, with filming beginning in January and a projected April air date.  Men's Flyweight Champion - Demetrious Johnson (25-2-1) “Mighty Mouse” is one of two champions (alongside Women’s Strawweight Joanna Jędrezjczyk) to enter and leave 2016 with a belt. He has defended his title 9 times (tied with GSP for second most title defences behind Anderson Silva’s 10) and he is generally awesome. His most recent fight was a surprisingly competitive scrap against Tim Elliott. No reasonable challenger presently, to the extent that some are wondering if he’ll head for 135. It’s likely that he’ll try first to set the record for title defences if he decides to do that.  Women's Bantamweight Champion - Amanda Nunes (14-4) Nunes mauled Ronda Rousey in December in her first title defence. Most likely her next challenger will be Valentina Shevchenko, who armbarred Julliana Pena this month. No date or official announcement yet, though. Bluedeanie observes that Raquel Pennington also has a solid claim to a title shot. Pennington is presently the owner of a four-fight win streak with a dominant win over former champion Meisha Tate, and her last loss a split decision defeat to former champion Holly Holm.  Women's Strawweight Champion - Joanna Jędrzejczyk (13-0) Joanna Champion, with Mighty Mouse, is the other champ to enter and exit 2016 with an intact belt. She was roughed up a bit by Karolina Kowalkiewicz at UFC 205, but she was ultimately successful. No challenger, though Jessica Andrade has made a good case, should she pick up a win this month. Credible news sources: http://www.mmajunkie.com http://www.cagepotato.com/ http://www.f4wonline.com/ http://www.mmamania.com I guess this is where Memento usually puts the upcoming events. I did them at the top, with more commentary. CommonShore fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Feb 1, 2017 |
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Grifter posted:Conor Macgregor? Where da fook do you think he's from? good catch. I CnPed the first line from the old OP and then second-guessed myself when correcting it later.
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Rather than make me laugh, that interview made me reflect on the ethics of watching a sport in which brain injury is a goal post.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Almost every major sport that has any kind of contact at all is going to lead to some brain damage. While i agree that its hard to watch poo poo like that, concussions occur in pretty much everything except baseball and even then the occasional guy gets domed. Yep that was pretty much my thought.
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Feb 1, 2017 14:49
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Wild Horses posted:Why isn't Maia fighting for the titel instead of karate boy who definitely lost a fight Because Trump's UFC gives opportunities to bootstrapping handsome American men, not to decadent foreign playboys.
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I was just reading an article about Tecia Torres and it referred to her "partner" Raquel Pennington and I googled "Torres Pennington" and it seems that they got married after Pennington beat up Meisha Tate: https://www.instagram.com/raquel_pennington/?hl=en
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Feb 1, 2017 22:10
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Which one is Alex Jones again?
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Feb 2, 2017 00:16
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Szymanski posted:A complete mentalist, vampire pedo google AI human counterstrike! Ah that's fine. I was worried he was a Nazi.
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Feb 2, 2017 00:38
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Captain Log posted:Who the gently caress is JUDO DAN KELLY? He's an Australian judo dad with a surprisingly good UFC record whose fights tend to be bloody and fun, except for one of his fights, which was one of the worst modern UFC fights I've ever seen. I'm not going to tell you which one it was.
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Dan Didio posted:Misha Cirkunov, Rick Story and Lorenz Larkin are apparently no longer on the UFC roster. Isn't Misha Cirkunov literally the only LH prospect in the entire world?
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Feb 2, 2017 05:03
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Marching Powder posted:Didn't Lorenz just finish loving up magny? Yeah. Last fight on his contract. He's been bidding with Bellator, who apparently walked him. It seems that the free agent negotiations just went to level 2.
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Schenck v. U.S. posted:WME-IMG took on a lot of debt buying the UFC that they now have to service, so I wouldn't be surprised if we see them shed fighters they regard--rightly or wrongly--as a bad value for the money. e.g. Story has been around a long time and can put on a decent show 3/4 of the time, but he's shaken out as a journeyman/gatekeeper in a densely populated division. The difference of $10k-$15k on show money on already underpaid gatekeeper journeymen is not going to make up four billion dollars. At that kind of capital investment, their main plan would have to be to keep the UFC exciting and keep people watching so that they can resell it - via IPO or whole cloth - for capital gain. These three fighters are actually the perfect guys for that kind of business plan, because two of them are proven finishers and possible future title challengers, and the third is an decently well-known action gatekeeper, which is necessary for building prospects into title challengers. Story got paid $41k for losing to Cerrone UFC 202, and they absolutely got their money's worth out of that paycheque. In other words, there must be more going on here than an attempt to save a few thousand dollars. We've seen fighters go on and off the roster before while contracts have been in negotiation.
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Nibbles! posted:Yeah, I would have thought if they were going down that road we'd see them chop a lot of the foreign fighters kept around to pad out overseas cards, since they're supposed to be cutting back on overseas cards anyway. Yeah I didn't mean in the short term, but rather by keeping its value up that's how they'll make money off of it in the long term. And for TV contracts, how is Rick Story not loving perfect to keep around? He's a legitimate test for any fighter, so it's easy to make good fights for him, and he's a muscley white guy who has a good nickname for promos. I'd be less surprised to hear that he has retired. The guy has 19 UFC fights.
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Skip My Posts posted:they want a huge tv deal like the mainstream sports have, it's funny you think the UFC can be "resold" via IPO Yeah you're right - I really meant that they'll continue to unload it piecemeal to investors, but IPO is the wrong term for that.
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   TKZ is fighting guys.
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Feb 3, 2017 22:18
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The Rousey v Tate rivalry was a big part of Rousey's rise.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:i think women's 145 has the same sort of problem that men's HW is sometimes argued to have in that any woman who is both genuinely athletic and can't make 145 is probably doing a sport with more prestige like olympic field events or lifting or swimming or whatever. Are there many elite female athletes out there who are too big to make 145 if they were fighters? The famous "Big Female Athlete" is Serena Williams, and according to google she's 5'9" and 150 lbs - pretty much the same as Ronda.
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Feb 7, 2017 15:59
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That fight has some cool highlights but entire rounds are uninteresting and entirely forgettable.
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Feb 8, 2017 15:29
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Marching Powder posted:My take on woodley / wonderboy I was actually working on formulating some joke to make that exact comparison but I couldn't think of one so I just posted and went and did the next thing I had to do.
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Lid posted:Those would be the Holm runs. Miesha rounds were exciting messy scrambly grappling awesomeness. And since Holm had won 3 of the 4 completed rounds, that the fight up until the 5th, which still Holm had also been winning til Meisha got the takedown, was in excess of 75% uninteresting, and thus the fight largely uninteresting.
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Feb 8, 2017 15:50
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Bisping is a lot of things, but the one thing that separates him from other fighters - his "Anderson Silva counterpunching" or "GSP double leg" - is his ability to learn from his losses. Every time he has lost he has come back a better and smarter fighter, and his skill set, physical gifts, and fight IQ have come into focus late in his career.
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Captain Log posted:I did the subs part of the tutorial over for days and couldn't get it. I'm not good at quoting fatherdog as fatherdog, but he said something to the effect of even if we think the rankings are stupid, the matchmakers use them, so they actually matter.
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Feb 9, 2017 14:44
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KZ vs Holloway could be the greatest fight ever.
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Feb 9, 2017 15:49
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Weight management loving sucks. I've water cut twice and dieted twice for judo and BJJ tournaments, and never any amount that anyone would consider "a big cut" by MMA standards. My biggest was 12 lb (158 to 146) in 8 days. It saps all of the fun out of it. After my last one I made several training partners swear to not let me compete at any weight other than "here's what I showed up at" ever again. Even there, coming into this past weekend, the memories of the unfun stress from the past tournaments where I did weight management were tainting my weekend. Now if my income and reputation had depended on it? And if I had to keep training full time around the weight management instead of just eating small sodium-free meals while working a desk job? Well fuuuuck that.
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Gay Horney posted:I was gonna vote but I'm not filling out a ballot for my top three thirty different things that happened last year. Someone do the math on how many options that thing is asking for its way too loving many Just go through and vote on the things for which you can think of an immediate answer. If you just do the first thing that comes to mind it takes like 2 minutes.
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threeagainstfour posted:Larkin looked incredible when he beat the poo poo out Neil Magny, bummed to see him go. Unless Larkin is headed to SE Asia to break Ben Askren's face for much $$$$$, he'll be back. Hamederlei to Invicta 105.
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I would love to see the Eastern Prince fight the Goblin King.
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Not for the sake of to spoiling the joke but rahter for my sanity... Anderson Silva is not scheduled for a fight. Corey Anderson is scheduled to fight Jimi Manuwa in London.
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Rigel posted:The UFC just updated Johnny Hendricks to Middleweight on their list of fighters. I'm hoping Hendricks at 185 will be a good and fun thing.
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1st AD posted:he's too short to be fighting there He was too short to be fighting at 170. Matt Serra was even shorter. The odds are against him finding success, but that success would be cool enough that I'm willing to hope for it.
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I've thought about this a bit - wouldn't the endocrine oversight be ridiculously complicated? Like, the TRT era combined with 8 other factors?
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Novum posted:There was that entire Fallon Fox conversation a while ago about basically this if you want to look it up. I think the science pointed to "yes" on that front. Yeah 'm familiar with that one. The weird implication of that whole thing is that estrogen would need to be classified as a performance-inhibiting substance. LeftistMuslimObama posted:Nah. WADA and the Olympic Committee are allowing trans athletes now: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/25/ioc-rules-transgender-athletes-can-take-part-in-olympics-without-surgery Having read the article there, that's actually an extremely high threshold.
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Well I think the argument was that they do not lose enough of the muscle mass and bone density when they transition, it can take years. Yes, but if you read the article there, for a MTF person to qualify, she needs to be within normal ranges for a full year before qualifying, and to even get to normal female ranges actually takes some time on its own. Also keep in mind that argument was made by experts like Joe Rogan who also unironically laughed at how fast post-TRT Vitor turned into a deflated basketball after he lost his jesus juice. CommonShore fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:Just to be clear, an FTM person is a trans man and should be called "he". The FTM was the typo.
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I.N.R.I posted:true. but i think the supposed argument about muscle memory and bone structure applies the other way too, if anything there should be some concern for people born as women intending to fight men. i dont believe that trans athletes have an unfair performance advantage but i do have a really hard time believing that there arent at least some features of the human body exclusive to birth gender that cant be reversed or fortified by hormones or testosterone. its not really my battle to fight though There's variation in things like bone structure and muscle density among men/women, too. This is where we start to get really complicated, because there's an impulse to start quantifying these things, so beyond the endocrine questions I'm inclined to say "gently caress it." If a FTM person decides to go fight men, he may have lower bone density than the median male competitor and that's his assumed risk, but a) half of the cis competitors will have below-median bone density relative to all competitors, and b) he also may end up having better flexibility and an easier time making weight because of his differently-shaped pelvis and lighter bones. That's more of a tradeoff than any kind of "advantage," and every human body has those kinds of tradeoffs. For example, Jon Jones has freak arms, but his dick doesn't work. The TRT question is, as noted, probably the bigger one.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:I was more thinking of the scenario where a trans woman fighting in the UFC was a done deal and he had to toe the company line. You're kidding right? Joe Rogan is the guy who made reference to "gash" as a derogatory term for women on a PPV. He wouldn't change his tune one bit. Mind though that after the Fallon Fox controversy he had Buck Angel on his show and had a fairly sensible (for Joe Rogan) discussion on the topic, and basically admitted to being an ignorant dummy on the topic, and conceded (for that time) that he had quite a bit to learn.
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If this fight happens I will watch it and I will cheer for Conor because that is the most interesting outcome.
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KZ came back from a long layoff and looked good against an a difficult opponent.
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I'm the white kid who leans in at the end to go "Yeah."
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