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Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

flosofl posted:

No, it's Republic. IIRC, It's the MCR = Martian Congressional Republic

I'm not sure if it's more expansionist Rome type republic or expansionist USA type republic or a combo of the two.

I think it's pretty clearly meant to be expansionist like the USA. Terraforming the planet is their version of the manifest destiny. It's just more explicitly something the entire society is striving towards according to a grand plan.

Mind you, being a republic doesn't mean much by itself with regards to being authoritarian or not.

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Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Svaha posted:

It's a bit weird what with everything we have known about space for so long that the subject of exposure to radiation doesn't really come up at all in science fiction outside post nuclear apocalypse stories, and those are a bit iffy most of the time.

I'm trying to come up with an example and I'm drawing a total blank. I think most of the time they just pretend that cosmic radiation isn't a thing, or you just take some magic pills to make it go away. Maybe someone else can think of an example of it being depicted realistically?


In Red Mars, the spaceship gets hit by a solar storm during the initial trip. There's a radiation shelter consisting of a cylinder split in half along its length: one half for the crew, the other half is filled with water and lead (IIRC) as a shield. The cylinder is designed to keep the shield between the crew shelter and the source of radiation at all times. There are smaller shelters in other parts of the ship for animals and plants brought on the trip. Oh, and sensitive electronics too. They get warned in advance by NASA and pack everything up in about an hour. Once on Mars, the first few settlements are built underground to limit exposure. After a while, they start building tent cities using a material that absorbs radiation IIRC. And a group of scientists invent an anti-aging treatment that repairs DNA damage, which also helps with long-term radiation exposure as long as people get the treatment every few years.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
In the grim darkness of the future, there is only perfectly accurate Newtonian physics.

(Edit: I joke, but the discussion about dropping Eros in the sun is interesting)

Kassad fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Feb 21, 2017

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Missionary Positron posted:

Well, so much for the best actor in the show :(.

At least his and Faivre's characters went out with a bang:

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Phobophilia posted:

not sure that's the greatest idea, you wanna keep some redundancy, when the network goes down everything turns into a brick

This is something that the authorities might see as a feature. It's already typical for governments to shut down the internet during riots/uprisings/revolutions.

It does raise the question of how Miller could keep using his terminal after leaving Ceres.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
The crew of the Donnager also had been training for a war against Earth's ships (that were known to exist). No one knew about Protogen's stealth ships.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Inspector 34 posted:

I get that they weren't really prepared for the attack and were maybe a little cocky, but the stealth ships didn't seem to have any super advanced weaponry or tactics that should have resulted in a win. I mean the Roci took one out single-handed this season.

Yeah, but that was after Alex did god knows how many training runs that ended with the Roci getting destroyed. The Donnager was completely unprepared.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Platystemon posted:

I don’t like how Bobby’s squad died thinking the UN Marines were the enemy. :smith:

In the book, they saw the UN Marines running from the monster and fought valiantly (but hopelessly) together against it.

They might show it in the next episode with Bobby getting flashbacks of the fight, who knows?

Kassad fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Mar 2, 2017

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Cender posted:

That's exactly what came to my mind as well.

I forget if they were out of fuel or just needed to slow down at the absolute maximum speed possible, but the multitudes of reverse slingshot maneuvers(?) that ship went through was insane.

I forget what that's called but reverse slingshot maneuvers sounds cool so I'll run with t.

I'm going to hide the answer just in case because those are pretty big spoilers for late in the book: what happens is that the generation ship was originally accelerated using a laser near one of the gas giants, and they manage to make people in the solar system turn it back on because there isn't enough fuel to slow down all the way. But the laser is turned back on too late and the ship arrives in the solar system still going at 3% of the speed of light. So it has to spend a decade doing a bunch of reverse gravity assists around several planets in the system to shed the rest of its speed, starting with one around the sun (with a bonus flyby of Earth within the orbit of the moon). It's described as going "from the orbit of Neptune to the sun in 156 hours".

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
I dunno, he sounds pretty normal in the actual YouTube videos. Weird seeing him wearing glasses, though.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Snuffman posted:

Everyone works but there's no grand "Captain of Industry".

I don't remember if it's in the books, but there is that marine whose family owns all the terraformers. Having the things that drive the process the entire society's built around be privately owned is capitalist as hell.

Snuffman posted:

Earth, on the otherhand, has little to no jobs due to automation and reaping the resources of The Belt so most Earthers are on basic income. Hence the "Earthers are lazy" thing.

But the Martians also get resources from the Belt and I don't see why they wouldn't have the same kind of automation as Earth. They have the same technology or better.

Edit:

Strategic Tea posted:

E: Earth on the other hand is a socialist utopia with free food, housing, education and healthcare and all the drugs and internet you could ask for. Just - if you want any sense of hope or purpose you're hosed because the economy has no time to employ you. Only criminals are hiring and to work for them you need to get off the grid and lose your welfare.

I think it's more that the basic support is subsistence level and nothing more. You get free stuff but it's pretty lovely. To get actually good things, you need to have money via an actual job. And there are barely any of those anymore.

Plus IIRC the books heavily imply that military conflicts were happening on Earth between the UN and some kind of separatist groups until relatively recently. As in, Avasarala has a military background and fought in one of them?

Kassad fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Mar 18, 2017

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Number Ten Cocks posted:

In 2015 the UN projected (see Total Population file) the population of Sub-saharan Africa to more than quadruple from now to 2100. It's now 962,287,000, they forecast 3,934,829,000. Do you think anyone is going to suggest those countries institute a 1-child policy or that they could succeed if they tried?

That's still not even remotely enough to reach 30 billion. Africa is growing this fast because it's the last continent going through a demographic transition towards low birth and death rates (they'll get there by 2100). World population is most likely going to plateau at around 10 or 11 billion. Unless Hans Rosling is wrong.

Number Ten Cocks posted:

Apparently the current plan is for them and a big percentage of the Arab world to move to Europe and collect welfare, so the Expanse isn't even being foresighted here.

Now, seriously? That's just racist bullshit.

Edit: Here's a book with a plot like what you describe.

Wikipedia posted:

In 2001 the Southern Poverty Law Center described it as "widely revered by American white supremacists and is a sort of anti-immigration analog to The Turner Diaries," and as recently as October 2015 condemned the novel as "the favorite racist fantasy of the anti-immigrant movement in the US."

gently caress that noise.

Kassad fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Mar 28, 2017

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
Gonna be hard for them, being outside the gravity well and all.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Toast Museum posted:

The orbital map was cool, but yeah, they played that pretty fast and loose. Damned if I can do the math, but realistically, no way could gravity assists get him there in a useful timeframe, if at all. In a straight line, Cyllene (the tiny moon Alex was parked at) is like six times further from Ganymede than Luna is from Earth. It's also orbiting in the opposite direction, which means a bunch of extra velocity you've got to get rid of to reach Ganymede in a way that doesn't involve making new craters.

The part when he runs into the MCRN ship and just nopes back behind the moon is pretty funny. That's messing with inertia about as badly as Eros did, I'm pretty sure.

The incinerator straight up disintegrating the hibernation pod thing looked pretty weird, too.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
Those punches were very satisfying, yes.

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Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.
"Chaplain" seems to pretty much be code for something like a political officer, considering how he's been behaving with Bobbie.

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