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DoktorLoken posted:Side note the German American Bund (Amerikadeutscher Volksbund) is an awful part of US history that I didn't learn about until college. As a local example, one of the whitest most Republican suburbs of Milwaukee had a full on Hitler Youth summer camp basically: Americans love an underdog story.
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Wasabi the J posted:Contrapoints is very good and was a Canary in the mine for the altright.
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EBB posted:She is legit my favorite person on youtube right now Concur. I really appreciate how sufficiently she articulates her views. If I empty quote a mod, I'm fine, right?
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bird cooch posted:I'm allergic to ibuprofen. when told that they told me I needed to drink more water, turns out I had a degenerative brain disease. The Tricare situation probably is pretty nice if I am ever debilitatingly sick, but when I was a civillian, I never felt like I was pointlessly inconveniencing myself, my doctor and my boss by going to the doctor. Whatever takes me will probably do so because it's undiscovered until it's ravaged my body for three months after catching it from somebody who came to work because HM1 gave them Motrin and an asspat and told to get back to work.
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Anything more and the body oil suds up during manual inspections.
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EBB posted:Qualify the statement or gently caress off hombre Kobal just watched a 100 minute video detailing the people Contrapoints is said to have aligned herself with, the examples the communities use to support their claims against her and builds a case that those examples don't seem to aggregate into a rational claim but rather a series of simplifications and associations that lead to equivocation. Much of this was about her. I expect bias. I would trust a case study much more than a defensive argument, but it is what it is. Beyond her own case, much of that video models a recurrent format of communication. The proposed model: peole observe a complicated point of view or incident. It is summarized as a contextless phrase that tends towards vilification without nuance. That imprecise argument is then used to support another argument in a chain which ultimately forms an inaccurate description of a situation. And in the cases in question, those inaccurate descriptions fuel anger that: will not be resolved in a satisfying way to the angry because of its imprecision, are impenetrable to outsiders who cant figure out what's going on, and is unproductive for the target who cannot be motivated to make changes since no solution will sate the detractor and the claims don't match their observations. I think ElMalingo's statement, and its lack of nuance, has all the trappings of what Kobal just watched somebody convincingly spend an hour and forty minutes explaining is bad. Kobal also knows (unlike me apparently) that answering is likely a trap, one that may form dangerous associations amongst the audience, at least in ideas. Kobal can't or wont produce an argument as effective as a 100 minute video which has already not satisfied ElMalingo. Kobal thinks they will not convince any readers of their point of view, and long term those readers will distill his argument into 'Kobal supports the transphobic supporting Contrapoints'. This was probably frustrating to Kobal, and so Kobal wrote a pointless insult without nuance instead of expending time writing a poorly edited and unreadable diatribe.
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Bored As gently caress posted:gently caress the Contrapoints haters. Well actually, this is kind of the opposite of my point. Elaboration: what I mean is gently caress no one*, because grouping people and picking sides and etc is what creates this imprecision and inaccuracy on intangible internet message boards that results in real actual harm. *unless they consent, you want to do it, and when you do please recognize theres a lot of emotion tied to the act, so you should be careful piL fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jan 4, 2020 |
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ElMaligno posted:i would like to clarify that i have nothing against contrapoints, as i liker her video style and the way she can succinctly explain things to dumb people like me. I think that's a more useful post for discussion. In the video, I only recall her addressing Buck Angel and I assume a bias in that treatment. What she elucidated on that most interests me are the generalization of the relationships into 'associates with'. That phrase could equally mean, 'owns and operates a business within the same 1.3 million person city as one another' as it does 'close allies who worked hand-in-hand to push agendas of terror[1]' So when I read your post, I see that she associates with these individuals, and am left to make my own assumption on what that entails. Maybe the depths of which are explained, maybe they're not but as time goes on what I recall as the point is merely the association. Which of those does she associate with more? With whom less? And in what level--as comrades, rivals, co-conspirators, individuals with shared interests, acquaintances, conversationalists, or coworkers? All is lost and only the lose term association remains. Again: I am not informed enough about any of these people to make a clear determination whether Natalie Wynn's relationships is appropriate or indicative of deeply held offensive belief. I don't aim to defend her. I also haven't looked at her responses to stuff to see if she acted like a public internet moron, but I am rarely surprised when people act like public internet moron, so I don't find it implausible that she did. But I see a certain danger in the practice as observed. For some definitions, you are all associates of all of the people that just got banned from FYAD for example, but most of them and most of us are not public enough we need to be concerned about that. When we vilify people for working together instead of what was worked on or towards, I think you create more division. And all of this says nothing about how we apply a presumption of permanence to ethics, persons, and their works. It's a troublesome element of our current media and we're still adapting to it. [1] See the second sentence of the Wikipedia Page on villain,fascist, and anti-semite Joseph Goebbels, "He was one of Adolf Hitler's closest and most devoted associates, and was known for his skills in public speaking and his deeply virulent antisemitism, which was evident in his publicly voiced views." emphasis mine
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Punkin Spunkin posted:*receives ANY public criticism* I don't think anyone here is saying that.
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Toshokan posted:She prevented Harry and others from having informed consent about their participation. That's an equivocation not provided sufficient support if true. Did Harry ask and did Wynn deceive Harry? Just because you worked lighting one day on a production that a photographer you hate worked on another day without being provided a list of possible and confirmed participants prior to your participation doesn't mean consent was violated. Edit: this is actually idealistic of me and perhaps not fair. I believe it shouldnt matter, and the example compares it to working a normal gig. But obviously that's not what this is as evidenced by the very discussion we're having and the vitriol surrounding it. A more appropriate metaphor may be the 18th century aristocratic society this all resembles with the primary currency being some sort of social capital. Then maybe Wynn violated some social more by inviting opposing houses to the same party, but in that metaphor I have little sympathy for any of the participants. piL fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jan 4, 2020 |
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Toshokan posted:
On the first link, I wasnt really convinced, but the second link did the job of showing how much more contemporaneous Mr. Angel's antagonism is; it's not leftover decades old quoting from an unappreciated and unrecognizable point in history, that poo poo's from September. Ok, Buck Angel sucks, you convinced me. I don't mean this as a throwaway; I was unwilling to do the legwork, and was satisfied with merely doubting Wynn's characterization as presented. Thank you for that clarification. But I still think its problematic that people would have a lesser opinion of Brewis because his name is on the same credits roll as Angel, that being in the same production without forewarning is a violation of his consent. And people must, or none of it matters. I don't like that the language to describe 'worked in a YouTube video without knowing other contributers' is the same we use to describe assault. Am I completely off base? Am I wrong to think expectations here are abnormal when compared to lives of the non internet-famous? quote:Just stop. This is terrible writing and makes you sound like a smug rear end in a top hat. 
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You wanna tell me why you were late to quarters? Well, I was lodged in my rack until I could get some blood in my legs chief.
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In some games, they are. And they are.
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That's a bacterial infection.
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Slim Pickens posted:
Time travel stats violate continuity assumptions.
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Fact checked by... Gizmodo? Huh.
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First time I've clicked a manipulated media button. Interesting take.
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:lol @district 4 Land of chicken tenders and ketchup, easy on the spices there dontchuknow?
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Ima - I understand, mother. I-Ima - I understand and will comply, mother. piL fucked around with this message at 19:05 on May 16, 2020 |
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Did they announce a leap second this year?
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mlmp08 posted:I was in a unit that gave NCOs Union Cavalry sabers and a stand as their going away gift. Had exactly one NCO ask for the confederate equivalent. Of course the answer was “hell no.” If we get you a confederate sword, you're only going to try and give it away.
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Science can tell you about trends. Science would demand random samplings of yard photos and a method to correlate those photos with acts of extremism to determine if there's a predictive link between yard photos and act of extremism, within their narrow assumptions of how each qualifies as what and at the end could, at best, tell you that crippling poverty (as predicted by yard imagery) is x% more likely to make an otherwise unaffected person an extremist, which is a completely useless statistic. Journalists can tell you about events. Journalists are not qualified to tell you about trends, unless they're repeating a scientists work. Twitter posters are even less qualified than journalists. Whatever this is exists in a lawless space between science and journalism where sufficiency is not a requisite property of evidence and motive serves as proof. If this doesn't make sense when I sober up, I'll probably replace it with a period.
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Toshokan posted:Why is it a "useless statistic" that poverty is a risk factor for extremism? I predict that any such statistic would be incredibly low and mired in many cofactors. If having a yard photo that predicted poverty resulted in a technically significant but insufficiently large enough to be meaningful increase in extremism, then you couldn't really use it do anything. It would have to be a large number. I don't think it would be--if I'm wrong in that, it wouldn't be a useless statistic, though I'm not a fan of the ways in which that information could be used.
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Extremism stand down https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K6-cEAJZlE Sign the muster on the way out.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Not about race, about respect for the flag, never about race, Reinstate the draft and project 100,000, but only for people who Edit: have the integrity to at least be consistent in your weak-minded hate. piL fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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Brute Squad posted:so a sword luge. not as satisfying imho, but functional. But considerably more dangerous.
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