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Krime posted:Man... Dumo or Maatta. That's an extremely tough call. Dumo is what he's going to be for the next 3-8 seasons I think. Maatta has all the potential in the world to be the next Paul Martin - it's just a matter of whether you think he'll get there or not. Sure as hell a tough call.
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Ginette Reno posted:I'm hoping the Pens lose Pouliot or someone like that but it will probably be Rust or Hagelin which would suck. I don't really understand why people think losing Hagelin to Vegas would be that bad, because I see this relatively often. He was important in winning the Cup by being one third of the HBK line no doubt, but his contract is bad when you consider he's pretty much a bottom six player. $4 million a year for this season and the next two, for a guy who's never broken 40 points. Before this season started, I could understand that fear - he looked like he could legitimately be the best LW on the team because the other options were bad or uncertain. But now that the season's playing out, Sheary looks like he's a legitimate top six player, and Guentzel is too good for the AHL with a solid shot at being an NHL top six winger too. So if all Vegas wants from the Penguins is a bottom six player on a bad contract, that's basically the best case scenario for the expansion draft since you have to lose somebody. Rust would be a pretty "good" loss too because he could probably be replaced by Sprong next season, and is the third best RW on the team after Kessel and Hornqvist to begin with.
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From an outsider's view Maatta has looked terrible almost every time I have watched him. Obviously I don't watch every Penguins game so I might be missing something, but it seems like Dumoulin is a much better player.
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Maatta has also been injury prone which makes guessing where he ends up even harder.
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Mind_Taker posted:From an outsider's view Maatta has looked terrible almost every time I have watched him. Obviously I don't watch every Penguins game so I might be missing something, but it seems like Dumoulin is a much better player. Yeah Maata has been kinda crappy since that first season where he looked real solid all around...then he had all kinds of injuries and crap and he's slow with questionable decision making defensively Sure WHEN he's on he's good positionally and smart on the ice but he hasn't done that consistently in a long while. I could be dumb though. e: sure he's only 22 but he's not going to get any more fleet of foot and every season that passes in which you wonder "how can this guy cover up for his cement feet" is another season where the question of whether he's going to break out is a valid one Levitate fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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Kinda tough to develop as a hockey player when all of your limbs spontaneously detach any time someone glances in your direction.
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the promise of upside due to maatta's young age keeps people going. also he plays with daley all the time, who is basically what everybody thought justin schultz was before justin schultz turned out to actually be good. i can't bring myself to write him off as irredeemably bad but i'm not sure i'd be upset if he went to vegas either. i don't think there's any argument about dumoulin being better right now though, because he absolutely is, and it seems like a no-brainer that he ends up on the penguins' protected list.
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grack posted:Kinda tough to develop as a hockey player when all of your limbs spontaneously detach any time someone glances in your direction. That was Beau Bennett. Maatta was the one that somehow managed to pick up every single bug and virus that floated by him.
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Between having to learn how to skate again and the loving cancer I feel about as bad for Maatta as I can for someone making four million a year.
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cancer, mumps, two shoulder surgeries, getting elbowed in the head by brooks orpik, and probably some other miscellaneous injuries too
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Maatta was the last current player jersey I bought in years so I'm hoping he doesn't get traded/claimed. He's going to get moved with Fleury.
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Are we still pretending the Pens are going to be rescued from their goalie situation by LV and not have to buy him out and eat the cap hit going forward?
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Furnaceface posted:Are we still pretending the Pens are going to be rescued from their goalie situation by LV and not have to buy him out and eat the cap hit going forward? Look at the goalies on the table. If Tampa moves Bishop, Fleury is going to be first cab off the rank for LV.
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Murray is the goalie of the future. They'll either trade Fleury (either a team that his NTC doesn't cover or he might waive it) or buy him out, or bribe Vegas not to take Murray. They're keeping Murray no matter what.Schlesische posted:Look at the goalies on the table. If Tampa moves Bishop, Fleury is going to be first cab off the rank for LV.
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Schlesische posted:Look at the goalies on the table. If Tampa moves Bishop, Fleury is going to be first cab off the rank for LV. I think Raanta and Reimer would both be exposed and both way more likely to be picked up. For backups better than MAF the list is even longer. 
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Just a reminder, the Avs won their sixth home game yesterday. It's February.
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cenotaph posted:Murray is the goalie of the future. They'll either trade Fleury (either a team that his NTC doesn't cover or he might waive it) or buy him out, or bribe Vegas not to take Murray. They're keeping Murray no matter what. My mind absolutely blanked on that. I think the Pens are going to do everything in their power to protect Murray, but I don't know how much they can really do. Furnaceface posted:I think Raanta and Reimer would both be exposed and both way more likely to be picked up. For backups better than MAF the list is even longer. Raanta is pretty much a backup at this stage, and Reimer is the long term plan in Florida.
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I figured the Penguins would be screwed by Fleury's NTC and his good guy in the locker room attitude, but then I remembered that Rutherford not only traded Rob Scuderi but got a decent piece back for him.
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Maatta has been solid at times but he also has stretches where yikes. His skating is just so bad now. It was never a strength, but it feels like he's even slower than he was as a rookie. Between him and Dumo I'd keep Dumoulin for sure because Dumo can still skate well.Pornographic Memory posted:I don't really understand why people think losing Hagelin to Vegas would be that bad, because I see this relatively often. He was important in winning the Cup by being one third of the HBK line no doubt, but his contract is bad when you consider he's pretty much a bottom six player. $4 million a year for this season and the next two, for a guy who's never broken 40 points. Before this season started, I could understand that fear - he looked like he could legitimately be the best LW on the team because the other options were bad or uncertain. But now that the season's playing out, Sheary looks like he's a legitimate top six player, and Guentzel is too good for the AHL with a solid shot at being an NHL top six winger too. So if all Vegas wants from the Penguins is a bottom six player on a bad contract, that's basically the best case scenario for the expansion draft since you have to lose somebody. Rust would be a pretty "good" loss too because he could probably be replaced by Sprong next season, and is the third best RW on the team after Kessel and Hornqvist to begin with. Hagelin is valuable even when he isn't scoring. His forechecking and backchecking are just ridiculous. He's so disruptive on the ice. I'd rather lose him than Rust of course but I'd hate to lose either. They're big parts of the Pens' identity as a speed team. Furnaceface posted:Are we still pretending the Pens are going to be rescued from their goalie situation by LV and not have to buy him out and eat the cap hit going forward? You know some other team will be dumb and/or desperate enough to trade for him. Even if not, the Pens will buy him out if they have to, or bribe LV not to take MM.
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Ginette Reno posted:You know some other team will be dumb and/or desperate enough to trade for him. Even if not, the Pens will buy him out if they have to, or bribe LV not to take MM. Outside of Calgary and Dallas, who needs better goaltending... like pronto? I don't see Calgary going after Fleury, they're more likely to have another crack at Bishop if they're convinced Elliot doesn't work out and I don't think Dallas has the salary cap room to make a move for Fleury that Pittsburgh (who are also constrained) can accept realistically.
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Schlesische posted:Outside of Calgary and Dallas, who needs better goaltending... like pronto? St. Louis unless they think Allen is going to rebound. Possibly a team like Winnipeg who has the cap space to absorb Maf's contract without worry and who might want two strong goalies even though Maf sucks but for some reason he's considered good
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Ginette Reno posted:St. Louis unless they think Allen is going to rebound. Possibly a team like Winnipeg who has the cap space to absorb Maf's contract without worry and who might want two strong goalies even though Maf sucks but for some reason he's considered good Based on their willingness to move on from Elliot, I'd say they believe Allen is the long-term answer and will probably give him until sometime next year to prove them wrong. I doubt Winnipeg want to put a bunch of money into an old goaltender unless they think he can teach Hellebuyck. Keep in mind they also have Eric Comrie to push Hellebuyck in a couple years time.
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what are the Rangers doing with Buchnevich? I thought he was good and I've held on to him in fantasy but apparently he's fuckin playing 8 minutes a night and trying to fight people now??
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Jamwad Hilder posted:what are the Rangers doing with Buchnevich? I thought he was good and I've held on to him in fantasy but apparently he's fuckin playing 8 minutes a night and trying to fight people now?? He had a bit of a down couple of games and Vesey looked like he should be moved up from the fourth line. Don't know why he's only getting less than 10 minutes but he's very much still a future piece for the Rangers and will be back playing top six minutes eventually. As for fighting I dunno I guess the Flames are a team of shitheads
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It's gonna be Blackhawks vs. Penguins because evil always triumphs.
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Mind_Taker posted:It's gonna be Blackhawks vs. Penguins because evil always triumphs. As long as the Hawks win this is OK too
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Schlesische posted:Based on their willingness to move on from Elliot, I'd say they believe Allen is the long-term answer and will probably give him until sometime next year to prove them wrong. I doubt Winnipeg want to put a bunch of money into an old goaltender unless they think he can teach Hellebuyck. Keep in mind they also have Eric Comrie to push Hellebuyck in a couple years time. I don't know how it's going to play out but I'd be surprised if some team doesn't take a flier on him. There's always that one idiot GM. Mind_Taker posted:It's gonna be Blackhawks vs. Penguins because evil always triumphs. That would be an entertaining finals at least because there'd be nothing but goals and tarding around. If it's not the Penguins I hope it's some other Metro team because jesus gently caress the Atlantic is boring.
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Mind_Taker posted:It's gonna be Blackhawks vs. Penguins because evil always triumphs. My favorite bit from yesterday's game was Pierre's pre-game interview with Carter where he said something like, "a lot of people are talking about this (Caps vs. Kings) as a likely Stanley Cup matchup."
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z0331 posted:My favorite bit from yesterday's game was Pierre's pre-game interview with Carter where he said something like, "a lot of people are talking about this (Caps vs. Kings) as a likely Stanley Cup matchup." Pierre McGuire is and always will be loving retarded.
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Cartoon Man posted:Pierre McGuire is and always will be loving retarded. he grows on you after some period of time, you just have to wait it out
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z0331 posted:My favorite bit from yesterday's game was Pierre's pre-game interview with Carter where he said something like, "a lot of people are talking about this (Caps vs. Kings) as a likely Stanley Cup matchup." TBF, scraping their way into the playoffs and then casually bowling over heavily favoured opponents in the post-season is the Kings' MO.
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Pierre's enthusiasm for the game balances out his creepiness.Furnaceface posted:Are we still pretending the Pens are going to be rescued from their goalie situation by LV and not have to buy him out and eat the cap hit going forward? This is the franchise that acquired Phil Kessel and offloaded Rob Scuderi for a piece of significantly greater value in the same season. I think the word you're looking for is "expecting".
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Jim Rutherford magically becoming a good GM for the Pens is one of the weirder heel turns I've seen in the past 10 years
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is greatest hockey of all time play to show dominance of strong Soviet men over weak and soft capitalists I for one would pay a fair amount of money to watch a game in which noted hockey legend Vladimir Putin has to skate against former pros who don't let him score every time he touches the puck, but only if it is full contact.
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bewbies posted:is greatest hockey of all time play to show dominance of strong Soviet men over weak and soft capitalists I would not be surprised if Putin legitimately does not know they let him win and thinks he's great.
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bewbies posted:I for one would pay a fair amount of money to watch a game in which noted hockey legend Vladimir Putin has to skate against former pros who don't let him score every time he touches the puck, but only if it is full contact. Given the current political climate, I think a personally humiliated Putin would be a very bad thing for a number of former Soviet satellite nations.
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