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Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



The Nashville Predators: sex offender free since...



lol wait nope

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Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Mike_V posted:

I know it was one game and that game was against the Leafs, but the Blues looked night and day different. Defensemen were holding the blueline and activating in the offensive zone, there was not a ton of dump-and-chasing, and the team seemed to be pushing the play rather than taking it slow. This was especially noticeable when they had the lead; no sitting back and making the safe play to allow the Leafs constantly attack. I'm not saying this is all on Yeo or that it will continue, but it was a breath of fresh air. If they play like this against the Pens, I will be excited about the Blues again.

Leafs have been playing like poo poo the last month or so, so grain of salt on that performance.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



DuhSal posted:

They were 7-6 in January and ended December with 4 wins in a row, so I wouldn't say complete poo poo? Last three games have been awful though.

Not completely no, but even in wins they've been pretty sloppy. Which is to be expected, I'm not complaining or anything

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



I wanted Frankie to do well really badly but I can't say he distinguished himself over guys like Marincin or Carrick. Shame that Babcock just has to play Roman Polak but it's hard to see Corrado being more than a 6/7 guy.

I don't know if Marchenko is any better but hopefully some familiarity will give him a better shot than Corrado had.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



So uh, Morgan Rielly is attempting to play through a high ankle sprain, which I don't think you're supposed to do. Explains why he's looked kinda lovely still though.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Also Corrado cleared waivers. RIP Frankie

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Duke Chin posted:

I'm on the tail end of one right now and dude I wouldn't wish it on anyone (except maybe bannon/spicer/trump lololol topical humour) it loving sucks.

I've never been that immobile before.

Looks like they're supposed to take 6 weeks for recovery and Rielly only sat out 3, but maybe they're trying the whole "blood flow and mobility" approach to recovery as opposed to the typical REST treatment. Still doesn't seem like he should be playing hockey right now, especially since he was out for three goals against last night.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



I don't understand that comic but I do know that Ben Smith is the worst player in the league and also Frederik Andersen is an average goalie

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Oh man, did the Leafs actually get Julien's last game?

Boston's probably going to rebound just from straight up regression, hard not to see the switch as a lateral move at best.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



iospace posted:

Nah. Every Canadian team as of late tends to fall apart once the post season rolls around. I don't see why-

Ok, that's a sweet pass, sure, but can they do it when it counts?

Mitch Marner is the truth, which is why I'm going to be really upset in the future during the playoffs when defenders just drop their sticks to punch him in the face and put him in an arm bar every time he enters the zone, with the refs looking the other way because "playoff hockey" and such.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Hammond isn't a very good goalie

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Jordan7hm posted:

His numbers at the NHL level are fine. Great if you discount this injury-plagued season.

Small samples all around, but I really can't believe in a goalie with terrible AHL numbers that basically had one good 20 game stretch in the NHL before becoming mediocre at best. Considering that the guy that booted him off the team was also a waiver pickup it's hard to think of him as being above replacement level.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



bub spank posted:

He's got a .936 in ~2400 minutes of ice time over the past 3 seasons, which isn't the biggest sample, but is still worth a team taking a flier on.

Where'd you get those numbers from? His career sv% in the NHL is .923, and he's started 55 games which would run out to about 3300 minutes notwithstanding OT or getting pulled. Are you talking ES minutes?

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Also can I just say that William Nylander and Jack Eichel look exactly the same now as they do in this photo?

https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/830528943321145348

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



gently caress.












Congrats, Habs fans

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



So Price and Patch absolutely told Bergevin to fire Therrien last week. That's amazing.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Babcock went on the radio yesterday and basically said if you're a Leaf fan you should find something else to watch on deadline day. There's basically no purpose to the team adding a rental this year and no sense in dismantling a really young forward core to address the perceived need.

Best use of the cap space in the short term would be to keep doing what they've done the past couple of years; taking on other teams cap/roster burdens to stockpile picks and prospects. Nobody cares that Brooks Laich got banished to the Marlies but people sure appreciate picking up Connor Carrick for the trouble, Leafs need to keep on sifting marginal players to find their D depth. Most big-ticket guys available via trade or FA are going to be expensive and likely too old for this core, the team would be a lot better served trying to find guys on the cusp for cheap.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



I like JVR a lot but I don't know if I want to be the team to be paying him free agent dollars in two years' time. He's one of the better scorers in the league but he's a total black hole on his own side of the red line, he's the sort of player people perceived early days Kessel/Kadri to be but in reality. I see the value in keeping him around, but if the Leafs were going to move someone in the near future I'd want it to be him over guys like Nylander/Brown/Kapanen.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Victor Lööv is pretty bad, but Nylander and Johnsson will be sad to see him go.

I'm assuming they wanted Kalinin because all of the Marlies good wingers are dead.

-e- Oh wait he's a centre. The Marlies centres have been bad all year so hey

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



T-Bone posted:

Kalinin is the definition of blah.

He and Loov are very similar, in that neither will ever play a game for the Toronto Maple Leafs in the future.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Matthews has only played with rookies the entire season and his most consistent linemate is a guy shooting 6%, I don't consider that an ideal situation. He could easily have more points than he does currently, especially being 89th in TOI/G. He also leads the team forwards in possession-related stats which isn't true of most other comparables.

Eichel is really good, and he has a better Pts% iirc, so I get it. Matthews is most impressive in context of his situation on the Leafs.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Pornographic Memory posted:

I like JVR-Matthews-Kessel just to make Maple Leafs fans wonder what could have been

The Leafs probably don't win the lottery without the Kessel trade, so :shrug:. Doesn't retroactively make it a good trade of course, but the chances of having both on the same team were basically zero.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



I mean, they don't even play on the same line

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Kalenn Istarion posted:

Pretty sure they did last year.

He's still lazy. Only 2 seasons ever with a positive plus minus in spite of how prolific he was in points for many years. He's having his best year since 2013/14 and still only breakeven in +\-

Maybe for 10 games? Phil was mostly with Malkin under Sullivan when the whole team sucked, then the HBK line became a thing after the Pens acquired Bonino and was a big part of the Pens surge in the second half.

Also +/- is trash, every Leaf that ever played in that span for any amount of time is a net negative because the team had poo poo goaltending, defence, and coaching. By that metric Dan Winnik is the best Leaf to have ever played in the modern era.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Of the bottom 10 Leafs forwards in +/- from 2010-2015, 6 are also top 10 in TOI/G over that span. There are exactly 5 players to be positive that played at least 80 games over Kessel's time with the Leafs, one of them being Colton Orr.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Kalenn Istarion posted:

He was my hero, a true Canadian Grindr

Honestly it's actually kind of mind-boggling to remember that Colton Orr was on the ice when at least one goal was scored

Also for the record the other 4 are Grabovski, Macarthur, Frattin, and Holland

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Leafs are going to be wearing St. Pats jerseys for the first time in a while for St. Patrick's Day

https://twitter.com/sportsnet/status/834051062894051328

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Marner was due back tonight, but instead the Leafs put him on IR and have recalled Frederick Gauthier. Which is Extremely Bad, congrats on the win tonight Jets fans.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Duck Rodgers posted:

Do you realize that Enstrom and Myers are hurt, and Trouba is suspended? Julian Melchiori will be playing

I actually had no idea about Enstrom and Myers, gonna be real interesting to see how the Leafs manage to lose this one.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



News: Brooks Laich is on waivers again because he doesn't want to be in the AHL and earnestly believes he can still play for a contender.

Views: Nobody cares and nobody is taking on his $4M salary.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



In Laich's defence it's hard to imagine him being less effective than Ben loving Smith, but dude was clearly cooked last year and there's basically no tangible benefit to playing him over anyone else.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



I mean, there was literally no downside for the Leafs, they basically just bought Connor Carrick who's doing just fine.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Fenwick sv% just includes missed shots (but not blocked) as part of sv%. I'd assume those numbers are also at ES but maybe not.

Worth noting that the only labelled axis is FSv% but the chart is labelled as that and expected goals saved. I'm assuming Lehtonen's red circle is a bad thing and means he lets in more goals than expected but has a good FSv%, basically meaning that the Stars give up a ton of missed shots but the ones on net go in more often than they should. So Lehtonen is overworked but also bad.

If that seems like a stupid way to organize the data and misleading/dumb welcome to most charts posted on Twitter.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007




Some people think working in data viz is cool :saddowns:

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



El Gallinero Gros posted:

Kinda surprised the Leafs didn't take a flyer on Wiz. They could use the help.

Not gritty enough

I wish I was kidding

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



El Gallinero Gros posted:

Even with the current braintrust? They seem less focused on dumb stuff.

Lou and Babs are a lot more old school, Dubas spends most of his time with the Marlies and if the analytics guys got their due then the team never would have picked up guys like Martin, Smith, Polak, etc. There's a lot of good staff around and they're definitely doing better than they did under Nonis/Carlyle, but there's no convincing the old school guys that they don't need some grit or intangibles or whatever, which is how you get Peter Holland getting traded to make room for the worst PK center in the league.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



hifi posted:

peter holland is the worst player on the coyotes though

And still twice the player Ben Smith is!

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



I'll put it this way, Ben Smith was added to the team, in the words of the coach who played him last year, to win faceoffs and help on the penalty kill:

https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/833129397796343808

(NHL average is 90)

https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/794540764915232769

So yeah, if Babcock was giving the analytics team any heed he probably wouldn't expect faceoff wins and PK play from this guy.

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



I'm not calling the franchise lost or anything but the Leafs are definitely making more questionable moves as time goes on. It's to be expected kinda, it's way harder to build up a team of good players than it is to blow up a team of bad ones, but it's worrying long-term.

Really Lou just needs to give up the ghost and retire, his track record in the modern era sucks and he seems to encourage Babs' bad tendencies.

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Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



The Smith thing matters because it's a failure in player evaluation. He's not a leftover from the previous regime but a guy specifically targeted by staff to address a need, except he's miserable at it and below readily available replacements, including guys that were already on the roster when he was acquired.

It's one thing to draft high picks and have them hit, but if you can't fill out your roster with properly evaluated guys you just become the Oilers of the last 10 years.

The sky's not falling but the Leafs under Lou have actively acquired Andersen (another failure in evaluation), Polak, Martin, and Smith, guys who are/were not upgrades over their competition. It's not a great trend, and I don't think the 'lost season' defence works when the org is intentionally getting these guys.

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