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i havethe apple magnet thing
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FlapYoJacks posted:It IS qi. Qi doesn't have the magnet alignment which helps immensely.
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Nov 27, 2022 20:19
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:I haven’t used an android in a long time and apparently Google fixed their android problem by making it copy iOS right down to peripheral compatibility Other way around. Apple adopted the universal standard for a change.
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Nov 27, 2022 20:21
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Sagebrush posted:Other way around. Apple adopted the universal standard for a change. The Pixel 7 has a magnet to make the Magsafe charger stick
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Nov 27, 2022 20:24
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the nexus 5 had magnets that mated with the official qi charger but the new chargers have vertical stands which is a better solution
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Nov 27, 2022 20:24
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The android 13 interface is iOS right down to the app switcher too lol
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Nov 27, 2022 20:26
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Yeah that part is pretty funny. I've never owned an iphone, but since Android went to gesture based navigation in v11 I can use iPhones just fine because it's literally exactly the same. Honestly though that's good. It's like standardizing on a mouse and keyboard, or steering wheel. It works, people get it, now don't mess with it
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Nov 27, 2022 20:28
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Sagebrush posted:It works, people get it, now don't mess with it ron howard voice: they continued to mess with it
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Nov 27, 2022 20:29
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Sagebrush posted:I've never owned an iphone, 
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Nov 27, 2022 22:07
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Okay well technically my stepmom gave me her old 5c when my phone got stolen and I still have it in a box and it works. So I do own one
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Nov 27, 2022 22:11
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Sagebrush posted:Yeah that part is pretty funny. I've never owned an iphone, but since Android went to gesture based navigation in v11 I can use iPhones just fine because it's literally exactly the same. the big issue with not having the right phone is the bubble color and share button. share button for airdrop is key to interacting w/ normal ppl. so is bubble color. if airdrop was on all phone it would be a gamechanger. also if rcs actually worked. which could work. its very simple i think. google mandate their text client on android and build some interoperability with imessage. very easy. but not the case. for example ppl use the default samsung messneger or whatever on their galaxy phone. hosed up but true
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Nov 27, 2022 22:14
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if youve never airdropped a dick pic to an entire plane full of strangers youre essentially an incel
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Nov 27, 2022 22:16
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Sagebrush posted:Okay well technically my stepmom gave me her old 5c when my phone got stolen and I still have it in a box and it works. So I do own one by continuing to use android, when you text iphone and get green bubbled, you do in fact get owned
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Nov 27, 2022 22:17
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Smythe posted:the big issue with not having the right phone is the bubble color and share button. share button for airdrop is key to interacting w/ normal ppl. so is bubble color. if airdrop was on all phone it would be a gamechanger. also if rcs actually worked. which could work. its very simple i think. google mandate their text client on android and build some interoperability with imessage. very easy. but not the case. for example ppl use the default samsung messneger or whatever on their galaxy phone. hosed up but true google can't build interoperability with imessage because it requires an apple account, and apple will never implement rcs without being forced to do it. (and honestly they'll still gently caress it up out of spite, like they did with the airtag tracker app etc)/ instant messaging systems are significantly more important than telephone service these days, and the government should mandate an open and fully interchangeable protocol as they did with the telephone. like imagine if you called a t-mobile person using your verizon phone and it sounded like poo poo because verizon artificially degraded the quality for anyone not on their network. and you asked "wtf" and they were like "get your friend to get on verizon, then. not our problem." that is a blatant abuse of power. airdrop is a little more special purpose, but instant messaging and small file sharing is fundamental to communication in 2022. needs to be as open as the internet and the electric company Wild EEPROM posted:by continuing to use android, when you text iphone and get green bubbled, you do in fact get owned i'm That Guy who tells everyone that the rest of the world just uses whatsapp
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Nov 27, 2022 22:26
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Sagebrush posted:instant messaging systems are significantly more important than telephone service these days, and the government should mandate an open and fully interchangeable protocol as they did with the telephone. the only protocol government will mandate will include encryption backdoors for security services
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Nov 27, 2022 22:30
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Pinterest Mom posted:the only protocol government will mandate will include encryption backdoors for security services call this IM standard Clipper just for old times sake
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Nov 27, 2022 22:34
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Sagebrush posted:google can't build interoperability with imessage because it requires an apple account, and apple will never implement rcs without being forced to do it. (and honestly they'll still gently caress it up out of spite, like they did with the airtag tracker app etc)/ agree
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Nov 27, 2022 23:20
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Sagebrush posted:google can't build interoperability with imessage because it requires an apple account, and apple will never implement rcs without being forced to do it. (and honestly they'll still gently caress it up out of spite, like they did with the airtag tracker app etc)/ If Apple implemented RCS it would be the exact standard. The problem with RCS right now is the standard is complete and utter garbage and even Google uses their own modified standard that they refuse to give to anyone else without all your messages being routes through Googles servers, which Apple really does not want to do.
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Nov 27, 2022 23:54
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FlapYoJacks posted:If Apple implemented RCS it would be the exact standard. The problem with RCS right now is the standard is complete and utter garbage and even Google uses their own modified standard that they refuse to give to anyone else without all your messages being routes through Googles servers, which Apple really does not want to do. was about to post something like this, rcs is a loving joke and google's extensions to the standard (to make it actually useful) coincidentally route all messages through google's systems, readable by google to mine for advertising data, apple has a moral imperative not to interoperate with that, let alone the business justification Sagebrush posted:like imagine if you called a t-mobile person using your verizon phone and it sounded like poo poo because verizon artificially degraded the quality for anyone not on their network. and you asked "wtf" and they were like "get your friend to get on verizon, then. not our problem." that is a blatant abuse of power. poor analogy like imagine if you called a t-mobile person using your verizon phone and it sounded like poo poo because the common protocol was poo poo, and apple built a better version of this protocol/communication method, and then t-mobile and verizon and google whined that apple wasnt giving away what they built apple does give away a significant amount of technical standards/specs, both hardware and software, the lightning cable protocol became usb-c, afaik the homekit protocol became the matter standard, most companies give zero, and imessage being only usable on apple devices makes imessage spam virtually nonexistent in my experience, which would almost definitely not be the case if anyone could anonymously install imessage on anroid
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Nov 28, 2022 00:02
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Lysidas posted:apple has a moral imperative not to interoperate with that, let alone the business justification if google offered timb some recurring revenue he could book under services he'd implement it in a heartbeat
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Nov 28, 2022 00:06
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FlapYoJacks posted:If Apple implemented RCS it would be the exact standard. The problem with RCS right now is the standard is complete and utter garbage and even Google uses their own modified standard that they refuse to give to anyone else without all your messages being routes through Googles servers, which Apple really does not want to do. RCS is a complete clusterfuck and required every carrier to do something to enable the new messaging as well as accepting and relaying them. the carriers being carriers needed to be dragged kicking and screaming for 6-8 years after iMessage was released to even start to implement the standards that would let built in messaging work vaguely like iMessage. finally google said to the carriers “gently caress it, we’ll run our own servers, all you have to do is forward everything related to RCS to us and we’ll manage it all” as a result… we have apple iMessage which is proprietary and a standard that is completely reliant on google because GSMA and MNOs couldn’t get their poo poo together over a decade I did a little effort post linking the standards and dates. the initial RCS standards go back to 3g iirc hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Nov 28, 2022 |
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Nov 28, 2022 00:09
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infernal machines posted:if google offered timb some recurring revenue he could book under services he'd implement it in a heartbeat It’s not worth the bad press.
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Lysidas posted:the lightning cable protocol became usb-c thunderbolt, easy mistake
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hobbesmaster posted:RCS is a complete clusterfuck and required every carrier to do something to enable the new messaging as well as accepting and relaying them. the carriers being carriers needed to be dragged kicking and screaming for 6-8 years after iMessage was released to even start to implement the standards that would let it built in messaging work vaguely like iMessage. finally google said to the carriers gently caress it, we’ll run our own servers, all you have to do is forward everything related to RCS to us and we’ll manage it all Agreed on all counts. Other posters complaining that Apple won’t implement RCS don’t actually want RCS. They want the Google version of RCS which routes all of your messages through Googles servers. Which for obvious reasons Apple doesn’t want to do. If Apple was to implement RCS support it would be the ISO standard to the T and the bubbles would be a puke yellow or something.
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Nov 28, 2022 00:12
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Lysidas posted:like imagine if you called a t-mobile person using your verizon phone and it sounded like poo poo because the common protocol was poo poo, and apple built a better version of this protocol/communication method, and then t-mobile and verizon and google whined that apple wasnt giving away what they built a random Bluetooth headset and windows install is a good analogy
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Nov 28, 2022 00:14
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verizon is poo poo and t-mobile is good
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Nov 28, 2022 00:27
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sb hermit posted:verizon is poo poo and t-mobile is good  it's really nice being able to turn on your phone almost anywhere in the world and have basic data and texting to tell someone your flight was delayed, pull up maps, etc… without having to pay 
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Nov 28, 2022 00:33
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ok lots of posting but how to make text message not bad. is it just to circumvent carriers and all use whatsapp or whatever text-over-data thing... ? is there a difference. should sms just be shuttered entirely?
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Nov 28, 2022 00:45
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everyone should use whatsapp, and whatsapp should be run by a kind socialist government. like give it to iceland or something. funding will come from the united nations in the same way every country is required to contribute to peacekeeping etc.
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Nov 28, 2022 00:47
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Sagebrush posted:everyone should use whatsapp, and whatsapp should be run by a kind socialist government. like give it to iceland or something. s/whatsapp/signal/ but otherwise 👍 whatsapp will always suffer from the indelible taint of facebook/meta
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Nov 28, 2022 01:51
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Sagebrush posted:everyone should use whatsapp, and whatsapp should be run by a kind socialist government. like give it to iceland or something. what’s whatsapp?
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Nov 28, 2022 03:04
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akadajet posted:what’s whatsapp? about $4.50, same as in town
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Nov 28, 2022 03:29
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Smythe posted:ok lots of posting but how to make text message not bad. is it just to circumvent carriers and all use whatsapp or whatever text-over-data thing... ? is there a difference. should sms just be shuttered entirely? just use e-mail or use sms to negotiate which proprietary service you want to use
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remember that somebody once invented a really cool way to message cellphones that piggy-backed on the update messages that your cellphone was already sending and receiving, and the carriers looked at it and said "cool, we're gonna charge you a quarter every time you wanna send a message this way". the single thing they want from any messaging scheme is "how can we stick ourselves in the middle to make money from this", which is the single biggest factor impeding any improvement. apple is the only one who can create a good messaging system because they're the only one who can realistically tell the carriers to gently caress off.
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Nov 28, 2022 08:03
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Jabor posted:remember that somebody once invented a really cool way to message cellphones that piggy-backed on the update messages that your cellphone was already sending and receiving, and the carriers looked at it and said "cool, we're gonna charge you a quarter every time you wanna send a message this way". the single thing they want from any messaging scheme is "how can we stick ourselves in the middle to make money from this", which is the single biggest factor impeding any improvement. Don’t forget that they charged to receive text messages too. Unless you explicitly turned it off, people could message you unsolicited and run up your bill
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Nov 28, 2022 15:15
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Smythe posted:i havethe apple magnet thing same smythe
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Nov 29, 2022 23:17
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sb hermit posted:just use e-mail or use sms to negotiate which proprietary service you want to use what if the united nations made a universal text over data application
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Nov 29, 2022 23:23
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Android 13 apparently doesn't have a built in media player to play your music, make playlists, etc? lol
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Smythe posted:what if the united nations made a universal text over data application sure but it really depends on how it's run and how it can reduce (if not eliminate) spam, harassment, etc. Sure, that sometimes happens over SMS, but there's country specific legislation to address it. And I hear whatsapp spam in India is immense. All I want to say is that I'm certainly open to the idea. Might require some serious work though.
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