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LeftistMuslimObama posted:they weren't ints, they were actual strings of 1s and 0s that he was simply calling bitfields. just pull the plug already
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tbf rewriting the forums probably really could be done pretty quick, so who knows, it might get done in a reasonable time. it remains a pretty pointless exercise though. at the very least there is so much poo poo which should just be slowly migrated or killed off while getting the actual make-post-in-thread bit to work in a way that actually doesn't cost money to run
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Feb 6, 2017 14:22
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:they weren't ints, they were actual strings of 1s and 0s that he was simply calling bitfields. and yet bitfields aren't used in places they would actually make sense - like keeping track of who has platinum or archives. buying platinum moves your entire account from the normal group to a separate platinum group. users with both platinum and archives are a totally separate group to users who have one but not the other. this is also why you lose the upgrades when you get banned - because your account is moved to the banned group and it doesn't record whether it was previously in the normal, archive, platinum, or archive+platinum group. Sweevo fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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Feb 6, 2017 14:35
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Sweevo posted:and yet bitfields aren't used in places they would actually make sense - like keeping track of who has platinum or archives. buying platinum moves your entire account from the normal group to a separate platinum group. users with both platinum and archives are a totally separate group to users who have one but not the other. this is also why you lose the upgrades when you get banned - because your account is moved to the banned group and it doesn't record whether it was previously in the normal, archive, platinum, or archive+platinum group. ok but where are my trees smart guy
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Feb 6, 2017 14:59
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if only lowtax was a bitcoiner, he could have gotten idiots to send him a million fake dollars to make a new forum
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Feb 6, 2017 15:09
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like, the only downside of just moving to a different commercial forums package was that some of the hacked-on features might not be portable. but since they're constantly complaining that half these features are broken and barely work im not sure that's such a loss. buying other people avatars and rendering a fart cloud over the gaschamber are fun and all, but they're hardly critical to the overall fun of the forums and that stuff can be slowly added on over time by someone who is not bugfuck insane. instead we're making a bespoke platform straight down the rabbit hole that created the current forums.
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Feb 6, 2017 16:09
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:like, the only downside of just moving to a different commercial forums package was that some of the hacked-on features might not be portable. but since they're constantly complaining that half these features are broken and barely work im not sure that's such a loss. This. Stop wasting money for something that will never be finished or finished poorly and just move the user base to xenforo and archive the current forum. The new forum will be filled with shitposts in days.
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Feb 6, 2017 16:38
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some of those hacked-on features are business-critical though, namely the upgrades (the ones that work)Hammerite posted:thats terrible and stupid but hardly unfixable
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Feb 6, 2017 16:43
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everyone who has actually seen the codebase says it's an unmaintainable abortion. i'm more inclined to believe them than someone who reads about one trivial problem and thinks "hurr its just lots of little things, fix them and it'll be fine"
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Feb 6, 2017 16:52
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dealing with legacy software sucks. especially when your coworkers are writing brand new legacy software
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Feb 6, 2017 16:53
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Gazpacho posted:some of those hacked-on features are business-critical though, namely the upgrades (the ones that work) except if you believe the admins' posting they genuinely believe the poorly functioning technology of the forums is preventing them from growing their userbase. if that is a genuine belief on their part then it's to their benefit to get better technology now and worry about the other stuff later. there's no one to buy your upgrades if no one is registering because the tech is bad. not that i buy that the lack of registering is because of the tech, but they've said it multiple times.
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Feb 6, 2017 16:57
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Sweevo posted:everyone who has actually seen the codebase says it's an unmaintainable abortion. i'm more inclined to believe them than someone who reads about one trivial problem and thinks "hurr its just lots of little things, fix them and it'll be fine" like i literally said in this very thread that resolving the CSS hacks would likely be a big job but there's no substitute for doing it
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Feb 6, 2017 17:04
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i know i've had several people tell me they wanted to be on sa and were willing to spend the $10 but then they saw it was ancient vbulletin and were like "lol no i only use the finest bespoke forum softwares"
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Feb 6, 2017 17:06
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I guess as long as Lowtax has ownership of the code this time around he can share it and people can offer to improve it, which is a plus if the Jelsoft license stops him doing that right now. even if it does end up being another pile of crap although doing it in a language only half a dozen people in the world know about lol
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Feb 6, 2017 17:20
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reddit looks like a relic and yet people still post on it
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Feb 6, 2017 17:24
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jeff atwood was gonna save us and you all drove him away and now look at us 
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Cold on a Cob posted:jeff atwood was gonna save us and you all drove him away and now look at us he PMed me and said that the elixer rewrite made no sense and xenforo was the way to go guess he isn't always wrong
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akadajet posted:reddit looks like a relic and yet people still post on it if it looked a little better they could probably charge $10 to register
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akadajet posted:reddit looks like a relic and yet people still post on it sadly
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Endless Mike posted:i know i've had several people tell me they wanted to be on sa and were willing to spend the $10 but then they saw it was ancient vbulletin and were like "lol no i only use the finest bespoke forum softwares" those people suck
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Feb 6, 2017 18:18
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akadajet posted:he PMed me and said that the elixer rewrite made no sense and xenforo was the way to go did this really happen
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Hammerite posted:I guess as long as Lowtax has ownership of the code this time around he can share it and people can offer to improve it, which is a plus if the Jelsoft license stops him doing that right now. even if it does end up being another pile of crap yeah, it is a bad idea if it is just to just get the forums working smooth, but if they actually make it there are some actual upsides that can follow elixir is not the issue by a mile either, that is just tech people bikeshedding
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Feb 6, 2017 18:26
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dragon enthusiast posted:did this really happen 
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the daily wtf is the worst kind of spergs, circlejerking about what is ~right~ while failing to realize their, and softwares, role in the world
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i am 100% sure you'd vastly improve the state of software development by getting rid of everyone who has ever posted on dailywtf
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Feb 6, 2017 18:31
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Is that the guy that was banned after he told lowtax it would cost at least tens of thousands to fix the forums?
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eric posted:Is that the guy that was banned after he told lowtax it would cost at least tens of thousands to fix the forums? don't think so
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i don't think jef fatwood is banned, we just scared him off with our unrelenting hostility
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we scared chef fatwood back to snack overflow because nobody liked his six course idea
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i don't think jef fatwood is banned, we just scared him off with our unrelenting hostility ya, he won't come back 
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plz jef save this dead gay forum, you're our only hope.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:elixir is not the issue by a mile either, that is just tech people bikeshedding this isn't bikeshedding. choosing a language that nobody uses is a legitimate maintenance issue. when the original developer gets a girlfriend and stops working in it, hiring someone new that knows the language and is willing to put up with lowtax and goons is going to be nearly impossible.
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The Management posted:this isn't bikeshedding. choosing a language that nobody uses is a legitimate maintenance issue. when the original developer gets a girlfriend and stops working in it, hiring someone new that knows the language and is willing to put up with lowtax and goons is going to be nearly impossible. perhaps if there was something in between lowest common denominator impossible to use right php and cool people only elixir
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Feb 6, 2017 19:20
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Gazpacho posted:rewrite the forums in mumps you do not want to know what goes into web-facing mumps, let me tell you. just rewrite this poo poo in asp.net mvc and be done with it.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:you do not want to know what goes into web-facing mumps, let me tell you. shaggar alt spotted
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The Management posted:this isn't bikeshedding. choosing a language that nobody uses is a legitimate maintenance issue. when the original developer gets a girlfriend and stops working in it, hiring someone new that knows the language and is willing to put up with lowtax and goons is going to be nearly impossible. elixir is not weird in any way though, it is less controversial than go when it comes to just about anyone being able to pick it up and make a patch if the need arises. the functional nature is the biggest sticking issue, but it is hardly haskell or even f# levels of complex it may not be the best choice, but it is not a bad enough one that the codebase will be left stranded for *that* reason
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make it in java and hire indian programmers on upwork.com until its done
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Sweevo posted:everyone who has actually seen the codebase says it's an unmaintainable abortion. i'm more inclined to believe them than someone who reads about one trivial problem and thinks "hurr its just lots of little things, fix them and it'll be fine" I would love to peek at the codebase, I like a challenge
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Wizardnetic Vermin posted:elixir is not weird in any way though, it is less controversial than go when it comes to just about anyone being able to pick it up and make a patch if the need arises. the functional nature is the biggest sticking issue, but it is hardly haskell or even f# levels of complex you can mostly write phoenix like rails, since elixir jettisons the erlang "oh each variable can only be assigned once" thing
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