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Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


imo, a general stike is supposed to be a huge nationwide event that lasts for months trying to organize this poo poo in less that 3 weeks is a joke, hell organizing in in 3 months is a joke. It sounds like something you organize over the course of years as a capstone to a huge power shift.

had ed balls written anything about strike organization?

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jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

Agean90 posted:

imo, a general stike is supposed to be a huge nationwide event that lasts for months trying to organize this poo poo in less that 3 weeks is a joke, hell organizing in in 3 months is a joke. It sounds like something you organize over the course of years as a capstone to a huge power shift.

had ed balls written anything about strike organization?

this is not a real strike or a real anything other than a day off. they should have organized a boycott, this isn't labor organization

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

it actually makes me kind of mad if i think about it because it's putting vulnerable people at risk of losing their livelihood with no union or organized labor backing them or supporting them in any way. like are people planning on picketing their jobs for the day? is there any point in a 24 hour strike with no demands? maybe a boycott would be a safer way for people to exercise their economic voice without putting impressionable people at risk of losing their job at gamestop because they thought it would be a good idea to wildcat strike because someone said something on twitter

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
Imho a general strike is supposed to be the keystone of a syndicalist transition to socialism.

It should probably take a bit longer than a long weekend to achieve but what do I know?

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


for what its worth i've only seen it get mentioned on leftist twitter, chances are it'll fizzle anywhere out side of that particular clique.

A boycott is deffo more effective, since it seemed to gently caress over uber pretty effectivly.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
My take is that...the strike is not going to happen and if it does it will just be professional class people and retirees taking personal days and doing a lovely march with signs about DRUMPF

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

i hope it doesn't gain any traction because if you're outside one of those professional classes you're opening yourself up to a big possibility of retaliation with no recourse. like what happens when you called in sick and your boss sees your dumb rear end with a pussyhat and a sign on the news?

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008



A general strike doesn't mean anything if nobody's working.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

Peanut President posted:

A general strike doesn't mean anything if nobody's working.

Right the professional protest class aren't otherwise employed, nobody's going to notice the "strike" because the adults are all busy working

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

The clearest illustration of the fact that this "general strike" is a laughable charade put on by liberal opportunists who have never participated in any sort of labor action before is the fact that they've got Trump's tax returns on there as a demand but nothing about wages, working conditions, etc. The sentiment would be noble, if it weren't so obviously exploitative.
There's a certain irony in liberals, unaware of the brutal history of oppression when it comes to union and working-class-rights actions in the US, and the same people who have actively undermined and ignored unions, ~suddenly~ requesting their help in their narrow political goals.

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

is the strike still on?

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



jarofpiss posted:

it actually makes me kind of mad if i think about it because it's putting vulnerable people at risk of losing their livelihood with no union or organized labor backing them or supporting them in any way. like are people planning on picketing their jobs for the day? is there any point in a 24 hour strike with no demands? maybe a boycott would be a safer way for people to exercise their economic voice without putting impressionable people at risk of losing their job at gamestop because they thought it would be a good idea to wildcat strike because someone said something on twitter

The thing that really bugs me about it is that this one day general strike is on a loving Friday so the olds can just write it off as Millenials wanting a three day weekend without thinking about it

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

Business Gorillas posted:

The thing that really bugs me about it is that this one day general strike is on a loving Friday so the olds can just write it off as Millenials wanting a three day weekend without thinking about it

the olds are right and it's not a real strike and it's probably gonna get a few noobs fired when it turns out the facebook group won't protect them from getting fired for it. but i also support chaos in the workplace so go nuts i guess.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
the real power to everyone taking the day off is it shuts down everything everywhere if successful, even for a day. That definitely makes a statement regardless of whether or not you're taking vacation days. So, a general strike on April 1st would still be incredibly effective no matter how it's handled internally

as pointed out the real issue is that it's the people without vacation days and in horrible shithole exploitative industries/workplaces that will lose their job and make the situation a million times worse while white collar guys are all "well that worked well and no one suffered because of it, we win :downs:"

it's something I feel can happen and be very effective but it's difficult to have any sort of credibility saying that when I'm not the one who will get my head shat on so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

a general boycott would be more effective, safer for workers, actually make sense, and accomplish the goals of this "strike"

this strike thing is a facbook thing that has no serious organized labor participation and is made by people that dont know what the hell organized labor is or does or how to organize beyond making a facebook event. it deserves to be mocked even if the intentions are in the right place.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

jarofpiss posted:

a general boycott would be more effective, safer for workers, actually make sense, and accomplish the goals of this "strike"

this strike thing is a facbook thing that has no serious organized labor participation and is made by people that dont know what the hell organized labor is or does or how to organize beyond making a facebook event. it deserves to be mocked even if the intentions are in the right place.

right

hypothetically speaking it'd have legs but :laffo: no chance of happening

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Chokes McGee posted:

right

hypothetically speaking it'd have legs but :laffo: no chance of happening

the boycott or the general strike? Cause a boycott was pretty effective against Uber

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Agean90 posted:

the boycott or the general strike? Cause a boycott was pretty effective against Uber

strike. I've been on board with the boycott from day one, if nothing else it's made me cook more and stop stuffing my fat fat face with Jimmy John's

johnson & johnson was the one that surprised me though

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006
What would really scare business is if everyone just started passing out union cards at their work.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

What would really scare business is if everyone just started passing out union cards at their work.

so many people fired

so many

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

jarofpiss posted:

a general boycott would be more effective, safer for workers, actually make sense, and accomplish the goals of this "strike"



the goal of this strike is to let the world know that a bunch of caremad tryhard lib millennials are mad about trump. Pretty sure we already know that, but the spectacle is probably worth watching, im sure they'll peacefully destroy a bunch of small businesses and innocent garbage cans while accusing everyone else of being fascists

big business man
Sep 30, 2012

the entire idea of a one day 'general strike' is so completely loving pointless

what i would like to see is an actual general strike if (and when) the feds start really going after unions. we should have fuckin done it during the fiasco in Wisconsin, but here we are.

gobbagool
Feb 5, 2016

by R. Guyovich
Doctor Rope

RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:

the entire idea of a one day 'general strike' is so completely loving pointless

what i would like to see is an actual general strike if (and when) the feds start really going after unions. we should have fuckin done it during the fiasco in Wisconsin, but here we are.

there's less solidarity between Gov unions and private sector unions than you might imagine

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006

Chokes McGee posted:

so many people fired

so many

yeah but that would actually be legally protected concerted activity (for all the fat loving good that would be), not illegal wildcat/solidarity strikes, and also establish the groundwork for future organizing instead of taking steam out of the movement

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

yeah but that would actually be legally protected concerted activity (for all the fat loving good that would be), not illegal wildcat/solidarity strikes, and also establish the groundwork for future organizing instead of taking steam out of the movement

I'm curious what walmart would do if half of thier stateside Wal-Mart's unionized at the same time. would they suck it up or would they cut themselves in half? What about 90%?

big business man
Sep 30, 2012

gobbagool posted:

there's less solidarity between Gov unions and private sector unions than you might imagine

I definitely realize it, I deal with it literally every day

There's a myriad of highschool-level "drama" between the labor unions. See: the building trades vs basically everyone, Teamsters vs. AFL-CIO, etc etc etc

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat
I will go to work but not do anything, thereby double-sticking it to the man by getting paid to strike. Get on my level.

big business man
Sep 30, 2012

Agean90 posted:

I'm curious what walmart would do if half of thier stateside Wal-Mart's unionized at the same time. would they suck it up or would they cut themselves in half? What about 90%?

hard to say, but if the labor movement could simultaneously hold elections (and win them) at even 10% of the Walmarts nationwide I would cry tears of joy. it's hard to put into words how difficult that would be

this is a really good interview with probably one of the best union organizers alive today:

https://www.thenation.com/article/labor-movement-must-learn/

On strikes posted:

 It means 90 percent or more of the workers walk off the job. If you want to win, we say, you have to create a significant crisis for the employer. A strike where one worker at the fast-food company stands outside for the press conference, surrounded by every liberal clergy member in town and a bunch of great activists who you’ve Facebooked and tweeted, and they showed up because they think it’s morally the right thing to do—which it is—is not a strike. It’s what I call “pretend power.” Fooling ourselves with pretend-power gimmicks has resulted in 32 state legislatures flipping red, 34 Republican governors, and Trump in the White House.

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

What would really scare business is if everyone just started passing out union cards at their work.

the more i think about this idea the more i like it. plz signal boost thx

shovelbum
Oct 21, 2010

Fun Shoe

RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:

I definitely realize it, I deal with it literally every day

There's a myriad of highschool-level "drama" between the labor unions. See: the building trades vs basically everyone, Teamsters vs. AFL-CIO, etc etc etc

My union geographically and work-wise overlaps with a splinter union of itself, and they race each other to the bottom competing for jobs!

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
https://twitter.com/voces_milwaukee/status/831207997804273666

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Immigrants plan to walk off their Philly restaurant jobs on Feb. 16

quote:

“It’s not a strike,” said Carlos Aparicio, who oversees three Philly restaurants and one in DC as corporate chef for the Zavino Restaurant Group. “It’s not coming to work to make an impact and show how important the immigrant community is to the whole country.”

He believes a majority of his immigrant staff will stay home from work on Thursday, although the decision wasn’t easy.

"Not a strike" 🤔🤔

GodFish
Oct 10, 2012

We're your first, last, and only line of defense. We live in secret. We exist in shadow.

And we dress in black.
Just heard my Mexican co-workers are doing the same thing, which is at least half the stocking staff at the store.

GodFish
Oct 10, 2012

We're your first, last, and only line of defense. We live in secret. We exist in shadow.

And we dress in black.
I think the not a strike bit is because they're not picketing the store or anything, which people associate with strikes, just not showing up.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


GodFish posted:

I think the not a strike bit is because they're not picketing the store or anything, which people associate with strikes, just not showing up.

Yeah, it's a walk out.

U should join as a show of solidarity

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

GalacticAcid posted:

"Not a strike"

I haven't seen any evidence of plans for an actual strike, so that seems accurate. This is just a protest.

I mean it seems like a nice protest, but it's not really a strike at all. I would be all over joining an actual strike. No so much a symbolic protest with no actual goals I've been able to discover.

His Purple Majesty
Dec 12, 2008
Someone post that uk general strike comic someone made using characters from TinTin.

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

im gonna go to work today but im showing up drunk in solidarity with all my facebook comrades that are taking a 3 day weekend

Laphroaig
Feb 6, 2004

Drinking Smoke
Dinosaur Gum

jarofpiss posted:

im gonna go to work today but im showing up drunk in solidarity with all my facebook comrades that are taking a 3 day weekend

ty comrade, i'll drink a michelob ultra (like Stalin with ukraine i am carb-conscious) in your honor

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WEH
Feb 22, 2009


This poo poo was insane and they're gonna keep doing it :twisted:

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