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PostNouveau posted:Yeah these were all really good cuts Idk the backstory was mostly terrible but I could see the hair transplant bit working with the right line read
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I reckon everyone's appreciation of classic Simpsons comedy is somewhat dependent on a memory of the actual performance and pacing, and people see these alt takes and don't hear the voice in their head reciting them so they seem to lack the cromulence of the real episode. I say "people", but I'm speaking for myself here, it takes me a minute to sort-of-objectively evaluate whether it's a good premise or not. Point is, comedy is a funny business.
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CodfishCartographer posted:I thought Kirk worrying about peanutbutter crackers catching fire was funny Yes, but at the same time, it feels like a really big distraction from the way the scene demonstrates their marriage is failing.
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I can't find the clip, but there's a scene in Mom and Pop Art where Flanders yells "GOD... bless him," and Marge and Homer swap surprised looks the read makes it really clear he was about to say "dammit" and it's masterfully done. makes a joke out of nothing at all
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ikanreed posted:Yes, but at the same time, it feels like a really big distraction from the way the scene demonstrates their marriage is failing. Oh absolutely, that whole shtick had funny jokes in it, but if it doesn't benefit the scene then they were right to cut it. No line is worth a scene.
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CodfishCartographer posted:Oh absolutely, that whole shtick had funny jokes in it, but if it doesn't benefit the scene then they were right to cut it. No line is worth a scene. It's a good gag but the final script was better. The circumstances of the divorce being kept grounded worked great, especially Pictionary, and if they had gotten too wacky with Kirk starting fires instead of just being a loser it would have hurt the tone.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:It's a good gag but the final script was better. The circumstances of the divorce were kept relatively grounded worked great, especially Pictionary, and if they had gotten too wacky with Kirk starting fires instead of just being a loser it would have hurt the tone. But they didn't need to show you he was a loser, they said he was! New Simpsons is much better about understanding this.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I reckon everyone's appreciation of classic Simpsons comedy is somewhat dependent on a memory of the actual performance and pacing, and people see these alt takes and don't hear the voice in their head reciting them so they seem to lack the cromulence of the real episode. It's true, often when I read scripts even of scenes I know, they seem much more hacky on paper. But overall I think the stuff they cut was either too much/too far and/or undercuts the serious tone of the scene. "Kirk burned down the factory and inadvertently killed Luann's father" isn't funny, and is so over the top that its hard to take the rest of the scene seriously. The handful of other quick jokes that were cut seem more like unrelated tangents that also undercut the scene for a laugh. Good Simpsons, especially seasons 6-8, knew not to undercut serious emotional moments whereas a modern episode would have played the whole scene for laughs and shock while still wanting you to take it seriously for some reason, which is what the first draft reads like. There are still jokes in the final product, but they are organic to what is happening. e: beaten, kind of
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Krusty bursts in looking for the wife swapping would be a very modern Simpsons gag. Random character inserted into a scene they don't belong in for an easy joke.
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Dec 3, 2020 21:02
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:It's true, often when I read scripts even of scenes I know, they seem much more hacky on paper. But overall I think the stuff they cut was either too much/too far and/or undercuts the serious tone of the scene. "Kirk burned down the factory and inadvertently killed Luann's father" isn't funny, and is so over the top that its hard to take the rest of the scene seriously. The handful of other quick jokes that were cut seem more like unrelated tangents that also undercut the scene for a laugh. Good Simpsons, especially seasons 6-8, knew not to undercut serious emotional moments whereas a modern episode would have played the whole scene for laughs and shock while still wanting you to take it seriously for some reason, which is what the first draft reads like. There are still jokes in the final product, but they are organic to what is happening. Yeah those are good points. The final scene works great in escalating the tension especially as most of the other people in the room behave like sane humans, and the writers had enough confidence resisting having Homer or Bart be the cause of the breakup. They wisely cut Krusty's unnecessary appearance which in later seasons would have been accompanied by Crazy Cat Lady and Sea Captain.
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PostNouveau posted:Krusty bursts in looking for the wife swapping would be a very modern Simpsons gag. Random character inserted into a scene they don't belong in for an easy joke. And in those days they cut it because they had better jokes. Now,
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Data Graham posted:And in those days they cut it because they had better jokes. Now, Yeah I remember someone else making the point that the golden era was a product of then unknown writers in their 20s without families bringing their A game and working early into the morning hammering out the Colonel's name in the Air Force ep, and the effort shone through. As they aged and got families they couldn't be expected to put in the same hours and didn't want to, and had earned their now cushy writing gigs so weren't going to step aside for a new class to take over. Kinda like Seth MacFarlane nowadays probably not willing to lock himself in an apartment again for six months losing forty lbs animating the family guy pilot.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Yeah those are good points. The final scene works great in escalating the tension especially as most of the other people in the room behave like sane humans, and the writers had enough confidence resisting having Homer or Bart be the cause of the breakup. They wisely cut Krusty's unnecessary appearance which in later seasons would have been accompanied by Crazy Cat Lady and Sea Captain. And Sideshow Mel.
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Allied Biscuit, The cat's gonna get it, Gudger College are all gold, so it was punched up correctly by... oh, let's say, John Swartzwelder.
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I think the spider's curse joke is one of my favourites on reflection.
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Homer is bad at his job, He could hurt allot of people with his negligence
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What is the joke with Gudger College?
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Yeah I remember someone else making the point that the golden era was a product of then unknown writers in their 20s without families bringing their A game and working early into the morning hammering out the Colonel's name in the Air Force ep, and the effort shone through. As they aged and got families they couldn't be expected to put in the same hours and didn't want to, and had earned their now cushy writing gigs so weren't going to step aside for a new class to take over. Kinda like Seth MacFarlane nowadays probably not willing to lock himself in an apartment again for six months losing forty lbs animating the family guy pilot. They were hungry young writers; in fact they were working for a sandwich
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:What is the joke with Gudger College? It has the ring of one of those tiny no-name schools people attend when they feel like they absolutely need to go to college but don't have any options or a plan. It's everyone's tenth choice. "Gudger" doesn't mean anything on its own (so far as I'm aware, anyway), but it sounds kind of like a mishmash of gut, smudge, and budget. Luanne's delivery also hints that Kirk probably brings up his Gudger days a lot and has an unwarranted amount of pride at having gone there.
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Pretty much an entire genre of jokes about college haven't aged well at all for subsequent generations who grew up with colleges falling over each other to offer them entrance with no payment up front, in the manner of a stranger offering candy in their van.
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https://twitter.com/joshstrangehill/status/1333923406643945472?s=21 Yeah, pretty sure everything makes it to air these days
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Communist Walrus posted:It has the ring of one of those tiny no-name schools people attend when they feel like they absolutely need to go to college but don't have any options or a plan. It's everyone's tenth choice. "Gudger" doesn't mean anything on its own (so far as I'm aware, anyway), but it sounds kind of like a mishmash of gut, smudge, and budget. Luanne's delivery also hints that Kirk probably brings up his Gudger days a lot and has an unwarranted amount of pride at having gone there. Ah, I see. It’s funny that that line never even registered to me until now, 24 years later.
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Borchmore was his safety
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:Ah, I see. It’s funny that that line never even registered to me until now, 24 years later. I didn't understand Ned's "Woodsy Allen" joke until much later.
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Without those cuts, we'd never have gotten to the "I don't remember saying 'good luck'" line
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emgeejay posted:https://twitter.com/joshstrangehill/status/1333923406643945472?s=21 They can barely fill 22 minutes and have to spend a full 2 minutes of that on an intro. Communist Walrus posted:It has the ring of one of those tiny no-name schools people attend when they feel like they absolutely need to go to college but don't have any options or a plan. It's everyone's tenth choice. "Gudger" doesn't mean anything on its own (so far as I'm aware, anyway), but it sounds kind of like a mishmash of gut, smudge, and budget. Luanne's delivery also hints that Kirk probably brings up his Gudger days a lot and has an unwarranted amount of pride at having gone there. This is best and most clear explanation I've ever head someone make about a Simpsons line
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Hyrax Attack! posted:I didn't understand Ned's "Woodsy Allen" joke until much later. I'm still not entirely sure if I get this one, haha.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I'm still not entirely sure if I get this one, haha. I took it to mean Ned is so culturally oblivious he considers himself a fan of "Woodsy Allen" despite being so unfamiliar with the movies he doesn't know the "nervous fellow" he doesn't care for is Woody Allen. Probably related to Ned enjoying an episode of Impy & Chimpy. brugroffil posted:Without those cuts, we'd never have gotten to the "I don't remember saying 'good luck'" line Agreed, although I wish they'd kept the seagulls swarming Kirk in the factory parking lot to steal his severance package (a box of crackers).
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Communist Walrus posted:It has the ring of one of those tiny no-name schools people attend when they feel like they absolutely need to go to college but don't have any options or a plan. It's everyone's tenth choice. "Gudger" doesn't mean anything on its own (so far as I'm aware, anyway), but it sounds kind of like a mishmash of gut, smudge, and budget. Luanne's delivery also hints that Kirk probably brings up his Gudger days a lot and has an unwarranted amount of pride at having gone there. I aspired to get into Stanford, and as I was filling out applications I kept getting courted in letters from universities like "Stamford" and "Standford". Which I'm sure are real places with proud histories and all but drat all I could picture was getting in, getting on the plane (to the wrong city), showing up on campus, registering, and gradually having it dawn on you that you'd been bamboozled by the Video Brinquedo of higher education
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Data Graham posted:I aspired to get into Stanford, and as I was filling out applications I kept getting courted in letters from universities like "Stamford" and "Standford". Which I'm sure are real places with proud histories and all but drat all I could picture was getting in, getting on the plane (to the wrong city), showing up on campus, registering, and gradually having it dawn on you that you'd been bamboozled by the Video Brinquedo of higher education Get off the plane and there's a big sign that says "Welcome to New Haden, Connecticut"
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Data Graham posted:I aspired to get into Stanford, and as I was filling out applications I kept getting courted in letters from universities like "Stamford" and "Standford". Which I'm sure are real places with proud histories and all but drat all I could picture was getting in, getting on the plane (to the wrong city), showing up on campus, registering, and gradually having it dawn on you that you'd been bamboozled by the Video Brinquedo of higher education Stanford's non-union, Mexican equivalent.
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Greg12 posted:Stanford's non-union, Mexican equivalent. https://www.samford.edu/
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AHH F/UGH posted:They can barely fill 22 minutes tbf that sometimes happened even in the good seasons: https://i.imgur.com/VS3Dw0D.mp4
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Greg12 posted:Stanford's non-union, Mexican equivalent. WA state has Whitman & Whitworth. Whitman is where Adam West went.
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Stingwing posted:tbf that sometimes happened even in the good seasons: true, but that was loving hilarious
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Communist Walrus posted:It has the ring of one of those tiny no-name schools people attend when they feel like they absolutely need to go to college but don't have any options or a plan. It's everyone's tenth choice. "Gudger" doesn't mean anything on its own (so far as I'm aware, anyway), but it sounds kind of like a mishmash of gut, smudge, and budget. Luanne's delivery also hints that Kirk probably brings up his Gudger days a lot and has an unwarranted amount of pride at having gone there. 
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Empty Sandwich posted:true, but that was loving hilarious Feels like some of the more narrative-focused episodes tend to be ones where they need to fill in time. What if instead they filled it in with more HMS Pinafore
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