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brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Son of Rodney posted:

One thing this thread has taught me is that I'm propably the only person who enjoyed the Futurama movies. All of them. Repeatedly.

Same

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brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


khwarezm posted:

I dunno, I never really liked Rick and Morty as much as Futurama on the whole. It kind of annoys me how Rick doesn't get much comeuppance through most of the show and it can be really reliant on 'So Randumb!' humor (I hate most of the inter dimensional TV stuff).

A little thing I also like about Futurama is that it actually takes science vaguely seriously and puts in jokes specifically about obscure aspects of science that are often really good when you recognize them("No fair! They changed the result by measuring it!"), a lot of the billboard jokes that are in the background for a second or two are like that and its cool rewatching episodes and noticing this stuff, you get the impression that the creators are thinking of the real life science parts as well as the fiction parts when writing jokes about science fiction which I think is neat. Rick and Morty doesn't really have that.

Iirc there were at least a couple of writers with mathematics backgrounds for Futurama, and the one where they're swapping bodies actually resulted in a published proof of the minimum number of people required to do that or something.

E: eh close enough
http://gizmodo.com/5618502/futurama-writer-invented-a-new-math-theorem-just-to-use-in-the-show

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Iron Crowned posted:

Old Simpsons did a great job at making jokes that people would miss at different stages in life, and not explaining them. Explaining jokes is for people who can't actually make a joke.

poo poo there are still some jokes, mostly visual background gags, I notice for the first time watching seasons 2-9 or so.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


get that OUT of my face posted:

cool, another rip-off of an older episode (this time the one where homer gets a therapy monkey in season 9)

pray for mojo

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


I'm trying to remember what episode has a scene where Homer is trying to rock/sing Maggie to sleep late at night, starts getting sleepy himself, and when he looks down Maggie's eyes are still wide open. I may just be imagining that this exists, but maybe this thread can help me!

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Killswitch posted:

Eight spices?!?!? Some of these must be duplicates...

There's a season one or two episode where she's using a bunch of different spices in the kitchen and it's retroactively jarring to watch it.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Aesop Poprock posted:

aside from people in this thread I don't think I know a single person who watches the Simpsons regularly anymore. I honestly can't even imagine what that demographic would consist of. Left on in rooms of coma patients maybe?

My wife teaches 7th grade, has for 6 or 7 years. None of her students have ever given a poo poo about the Simpsons, new or old.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


porking a pork bun posted:

The absolute peak of the show is Season 4-7, you can pick any episode from that era and be guaranteed a good time. Some standout episodes off the top of my head are:

Homer Goes to College
Bart Gets an Elephant
Homer Badman
The PTA Disbands
22 Short Films About Springfield
Last Exit to Springfield
Kingsize Homer
Sweet Seymour 's Badassssss Song

I had to stop myself from just listing every episode I could think of from those seasons as they're all great but those in particular are standouts

I know that one gets a lot of hype as "best episode ever" but seriously drat near every line start to finish is a well-crafted joke that sticks the landing

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


SEX BURRITO posted:

It was the early 90s, so the house could have been super cheap. It was often shown to be rat infested and falling to pieces, so maybe he got a bargain. And they were always in debt and living way beyond their means. Homer got help from his dad to buy their place, and the show revealed that Marge was super thrifty, feeding the family on $15 a week or something stupid like that.

Apparently the least realistic house on TV is the Gilmore Girls home which would be worth $3 million. Even if they brought it cheaply in the 90s, that’s huge amounts of property tax.

the actual house used for exterior shots was for sale a few years back for $129k

https://news.avclub.com/own-the-house-from-roseanne-for-a-mere-129-000-1798235936

lets say they bought the house in '85, that'd have been a $60k house at the time.

e: I think Roseanne was supposed to be based on the Aurora-ish area, somewhere in the far, far west Chicago exurbs anyway. You can still buy cheap as poo poo houses out that way.

brugroffil fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 17, 2017

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Tree Goat posted:

there is a brief reshot scene iirc, but it's very short.

lisa is traumatized about their experiences at camp krusty, so marge makes her and bart go to therapy (although bart is just faking to skip school + get things). during therapy, they recover memories of seeing a kid die, but, when they return to the camp, it turns out the kid was just a midget and is still alive.

the b plot is that marge and homer had a lot of sex while the kids are gone, but now that the kids are back they aren't having sex. homer discovers that if he is volcel, then he becomes very smart and good at his job. marge initially likes the new homer but becomes sexually frustrated and they end up going back to kamp krusty (which has reopened as a spa/swingers club) where she finally convinces him to have sex, making him stupid again.

fin.

that's just a blatant rip-off of a Seinfeld plot from 20+ years ago

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Justin Godscock posted:

It’s because people look at the crappy animation and Black Smithers and fail to see the show was really sweet and charming it was at times. Bleeding Gums Murphy, Homer having true faults and not “SMRT” absurdness and even the Christmas episode holds up. I mean, nothing beats mid 90s Simpsons but you see a foundation there.

James l Brooks had a heavy and good influence early on creating a show with a heart

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015



That animation looks a whole lot newer than when that episode would have originally been illustrated

E: checked on frinkiac, Homer finds out at the front door when he comes home during the baby shower. There are two flashbacks to when Marge tells Homer she's pregnant with Bart and Lisa and it's on that same couch. That has other continuity errors but that tweet is bullshit.

e2: actually it is from that episode! Just later when they're discussing the pregnancy after Homer gets his job at the plant back.

brugroffil fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Sep 6, 2018

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


I think the problem is more that the writing just sucks.

Even in the peak golden era, the Simpsons would do references or even whole plots that were callbacks to movies from 5-10 years ago. Marge on the Lam was a Selma and Louise parody several years after the movie came out, but it was still good. The one about Marge being afraid of flying was a lot of Prince of Tides four years after that came out. Homer Loves Ned has tons of references to T2, which had been out for years by that point.

But they were still good episodes with lots of jokes because the writing wasn't lazy "hey remember this movie/show/thing??" references.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Iron Crowned posted:

Exactly, both parody scenes are funny even if you don't know what they're parodying. Like most classic Simpsons jokes they're funny on more than a superficial level, and the knowledge of the parody just makes it more entertaining.

Yeah, that's the difference. It's still good even if you don't know the reference.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


The best thing he ever did was the home Depot commercial with Nick Offerman

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


DropsySufferer posted:

I've seen one episode of bob's burgers. Where the rival Italian place opens up and takes the customers. I didn't really care for the show. Does it get any better than that?

I like Bojack Horseman which I initially thought was really stupid with the animal horse and people but once you get beyond that it's really good. I'd rate it as the best animated show currently on. Though everyone is crazy for rick and morty bojack is surprisingly good.

R&M is entertaining but pretty superficial

Bojack can be extremely bleak at times but it's a better show. My favorite parts are when anthropomorphic animals are still doing animal things in the background

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


The Simpsons used stereotypes of the Irish so really it's reverse racism that's the problem

Makes you :thunk:

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Some early Simpsons episodes were a joke every line. Last Exit is nonstop jokes.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Due to an alleged typo on a DMV form, Apu is stripped of his citizenship and deported

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


fatal oopsie-daisy posted:

Old Simpsons was made to make the writers themselves laugh instead of the home audience. They could care less if you knew who Joey Bishop was, it was funny to them. The new writers also have no idea what comedy beats are because likely none of them were ever stand-up comedians. The timing of jokes in new Simpsons is incredibly laggy and the setups are too obvious and take too long before the jokes hit. Someone once said that new Simpsons seems like it should have a laugh track while the old episodes fired off so quickly with such careless joy that you would miss too much of it if there was a laugh track. New Simpsons are forced to bring in popular contemporary Hollywood stars for ratings and it forces the episode to be softened and dull instead of sharp and witty like it once was. Also, they just plain ran out of things to talk about a plain American family doing after like 200 episodes. There just isn’t that much the Simpsons can teach us anymore because they covered all the big points so many times already.

For an example of beats -
Oh my god, Dad, you killed Zombie Flanders!
He was a Zombie?

would now be
Oh my god, Dad, you killed Zombie Flanders!
Hmm, you know... you’re RIGHT! I should have done this YEARS ago! It felt so good!*in a sexy homer voice* Maybe TOO good! *caresses shotgun*

The original writers were all Harvard nerds not stand up guys.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


David Silverman is a very good animator. He'd personally do a lot of the more emotive Homer animations.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Atlas Hugged posted:

Also, I'm not sure I buy into the notion that "jerk-rear end Homer" came later. I think people just misremember because they like the old episodes. Homer is a huge shithead in just about every episode I've watched.

He started becoming a real jerk in the Merkin years (s5 and 6), got less jerk under Oakley and Weinstein for the most part, then it was a steep decline after that

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


SweetMercifulCrap! posted:

I've had more than a few people tell me that they were banned from watching The Simpsons after Bart said (paraphrasing) "Dear God, we paid for this stuff ourselves, so thanks for nothing" while saying grace before dinner.

My dad was not a fan of the blasphemy early on so it was dicey for a few years

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Elderbean posted:

Lmao yeah it's weird to think of Bart being controversial but I definitely remember my grandparents making comments about what a poor role model he was.

President George HW Bush complained about it lol

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


spaceblancmange posted:

There were definitely some bits edited out in Australia. The one where Krusty fakes his death, the bit where they auction off his boxes of porno was definitely cut. Also there were a few random eps in season 6 we missed for no apparent reason in its original airing. The clip show, A star is burns and the one with bleeding gums. We got them eventually but might have had their first showing on pay TV.

Could just be a syndication cut. Lots of times they'll cut little bits for reruns to squeeze in extra commercials.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Data Graham posted:

This is also the same show that did "Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Song", which ended with what I can't read in any other way than a defense of prayer in public school.

(i.e. "sure you have kids in cages and students rioting and imprisoning teachers in the faculty lounge, that's just the modern world for ya, but DON'T YOU DARE BROADCAST A PRAYER ON THE PA OR YOUR rear end IS GRASS")

Keep in mind that the show was (is?) largely written by areligious Jews and liberals from fancy schools like Harvard. Jokes like that shouldn't be taken straight at all.

It was all still very, very irreverent for early 90's American TV.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Sponge?!

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


QwertySanchez posted:

And what the gently caress was even that nature documentary episode?

Oh and when they did a parody of minority report about 10 years after it came out.

I liked the nature documentary one, but I love everything David Attenborough has done so maybe that's why.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


bad day posted:

One of my favorite aspects of early Simpsons is how every episode could have happened in one day and nothing ever impacted any other episode (outside of maybe Sideshow Bob) and nobody ever aged or changed their clothes. I thought it was brilliant to keep this rule because every episode could be independent and shown out of order or picked up by a casual viewer without losing any entertainment value. They’d even poke jokes about this like at the end of the hated Skinner episode.

But then at some point they stopped. In my memory it began with Maude’s death and Jerk Homer and after Apu’s babies everything went down the toilet.

They started changing some characters a bit earlier than that, like Neds backstory, because everyone assumed the show would be dead in a few years.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


I have a shameful confession to make: I actually kinda liked the Futurama movies! Not as much as the original run but more than the latter part of the final run.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


TheMostFrench posted:

This thread is the first time I've ever heard there were Futurama movies. There are FOUR? :psyduck:

Yeah in the years between being cancelled on Fox and their revival on comedy central

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


sweet geek swag posted:

Actually each movie was designed to be split into four episodes, so they collectively form the fifth season. I agree that the second movie was really really bad. It had exactly one good joke, the joke with Bender's son.

Yeah they'd frequently be shown that way on TV in later years

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Looking back I can't believe that there were only 140 episodes of Futurama

At 138, Simpsons still had many good episodes to come

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


YeahTubaMike posted:

the only things i remember about the futurama movies are the "trinity's going to war" song which occasionally gets stuck in my head, and all that weird Amy & Leela centaur stuff that mostly seemed like geek fetish fanservice

The Amy and Leela fan service stuff got so bad in the reboot at times

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Quote-Unquote posted:

Yeah the episode where they become roided-out gladiators in butterfly costumes and continually molest Fry is awful.

I quite like the later seasons. The good parts are on par with the middling parts of the original run, at least. But the bad parts really do suck.

I don't remember what episode it is, but there were multiple scenes in one of them wrestling in leotards and ripping each other's clothing and I'm 90% sure it's not the gladiator one

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


a twitterer that once a week goes through as-aired and as-scripted differences and also changes within scripts

https://twitter.com/ThatGuy3002/status/1068564778786988039

e: here's a tweet thread with his previous work all linked!

https://twitter.com/ThatGuy3002/status/1068579186368004096

brugroffil fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Nov 30, 2018

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


https://twitter.com/stevie_gillis/status/1070852265852919809

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Data Graham posted:

They had to research a LOT of weird science/math and wordplay gags for that episode. Really wall-to-wall with cerebral stuff people were not at all ready for (even if some of it was kinda cringey)

eh they were a bunch of Harvard nerds, I'm sure plenty of the writers knew basic calculus

by the time we get to futurama several of the writers are PhD math dorks packing math jokes into the background constantly, sometimes even centering entire plots on them

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Mr Interweb posted:




You know, I was wondering why there were so many couch gags from the first 10 seasons that I wasn't aware of, even though I'm sure I've seen every single one of those episodes multiple times, and then it hit me. For some weird reason, Fox did this thing where subsequent airings of the show used the same couch gag for multiple episodes (if I remember correctly, it was the one with duplicates of the Simpsons already being on the couch when they got there). I legit don't understand why they did this because it meant someone had to go through several of these episodes, remove the original couch gag, and replace it with the one i mentioned. So utterly bizarre.

Possibly they subbed in shorter ones to squeeze in more commercial time?

e; f, b


I've been listening to talking Simpsons, and it's interesting when they point out that when you can tell plots were thin because they used extended openings, long segments of TV watching, etc. The show's made me appreciate seasons 5-6 and especially 7-8 more than 3-4.

brugroffil fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Jan 11, 2019

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brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Improbable Lobster posted:

Like how specific jokes get cut from the syndication run to fit more ads

Since I watched the show so many times in syndication, those were the versions I always remembered. When I got seasons 1-10 back in 2010 or so, it was like getting all sorts of deleted scenes and jokes!

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