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Dateline: America, 1980's I guess we just sort of decided that the devil was real? And that, in addition to making people play D&D and listen to heavy metal, he was using day cares to molest children. A bunch of innocent people went to jail, and that part's not funny, and it's possible there was some actual non-satanic molesting going on, which obviously isn't funny either. Yet here I am, cracking up that this actually happened. The 1980's is not that long ago. Some of you are old enough that you probably remember seeing this as it was occurring. Yet I never see it talked about? Journey with me now to Mountain Beach, California, 1983, where Judy Johnson's two year old son was having trouble pooping comfortably, possibly for reasons such as he didn't chew his food thoroughly. Johnson, like any good mother, asked him if he'd been raped, and he said "no". So she brought him to a doctor, and the doctor was like, "Yeah, this kid has either constipation or worms. What have you been feeding him?" So Johnson called the police and reported that her son was being raped by the people at the McMartin Preschool, and also her ex-husband. Also that her son had been sodomized by a lion, and the people at the preschool were drilling holes into children's armpits and flying through the air! The police were like, "Sounds legit." So there was a national court case! Not for Johnson, though. She was diagnosed with acute schizophrenia and died of chronic alcoholism less than three years later. But never mind that, there was a national court case! So America needed experts in checking to see if people were secretly part of an underground network of devil worshipers who ritualistically abuse children, but it's hard to be an expert in something that probably doesn't exist, so we hired, just, whoever. And it turns out if you put somebody who's interested in being in charge of interviewing a child to determine if they were molested by satanists in charge of interviewing a child to determine if they were molested by satanists, they're probably a crazy weirdo, and the child is just going to say whatever they think the adult wants to hear. Wikipedia: quote:Interviews from the Wee Care Nursery School and McMartin preschool trials were examined as part of a research project on the testimony of children questioned in a highly suggestive manner. Compared with a set of interviews from Child Protective Services, the interviews from the two trials were "significantly more likely to (a) introduce new suggestive information into the interview, (b) provide praise, promises, and positive reinforcement, (c) express disapproval, disbelief, or disagreement with children, (d) exert conformity pressure, and (e) invite children to pretend or speculate about supposed events." quote:Children are vulnerable to outside influences that lead to fabrication of testimony.[60] Their testimony can be influenced in a variety of ways. Maggie Bruck in her article published by the American Psychological Association wrote that children incorporate aspects of the interviewer's questions into their answers in an attempt to tell the interviewer what the child believes is being sought.[61] Studies also show that when adults ask children questions that do not make sense (such as "is milk bigger than water?" or "is red heavier than yellow?"), most children will offer an answer, believing that there is an answer to be given, rather than understand the absurdity of the question.[62] Furthermore, repeated questioning of children causes them to change their answers. This is because the children perceive the repeated questioning as a sign that they did not give the "correct" answer previously.[63] Children are also especially susceptible to leading and suggestive questions.[64] quote:Transcripts and recordings of the interviews contained far more speech from adults than children and demonstrated that, despite the highly coercive interviewing techniques used, initially the children were resistant to interviewers' attempts to elicit disclosures. Recordings of these interviews were instrumental in the jury's refusal to convict, by demonstrating how children could be coerced to giving vivid and dramatic testimonies without having experienced the abuse.[18] The techniques used were contrary to the existing guidelines in California for the investigation of cases involving children and child witnesses. The result of this was nationwide court cases where serious adults, including district attorneys and future national leaders, were investigating ritual abuse that probably didn't exist, as inferred by the characteristically naive imaginations of young children. Case in point, when the children who attended the McMartin Preschool were "confirming" that they had been molested, they were asked what else happened, and the children explained, in a variety of mutually contradictory statements, that they were taken through underground tunnels, up into the air in a hot air balloon, witnessed witches flying around, and, when shown photos hoping to identify who the satanic molesters were, skipped over Ray Buckey, the man primarily accused of conducting the ritual abuse and also of flying, who would go on to serve five years in jail with a seven figure bail without ever being convicted of so much as a single wrongdoing, and instead indicated, why, none other than late 20th century martial arts film star and subject of an internet meme-incurred late-career revival Carlos Ray "Chuck" Norris. Norris was never brought to trial and remains at large. Shockingly, in 2005, one of the child witnesses retracted his testimony, explaining that he had lied to please his parents. But we didn't know all this back in the 80's. So we decided, well, the bit about the tunnel sounds plausible? So the parents went to the site, about 40 of them in all, and just started digging for the bones of sacrificed animals and secret tunnels, and found nothing. So the DA sent an excavation team to the site of the day care, and found a solid and undisturbed concrete floor, on top of dirt, on top of the remains of the building that it was built on top of. No tunnels, no animal bones. So we sent more excavation teams. We just kept sending excavation teams, even after the trial was over, because the tunnels HAD to be there, because it was the only potential physical evidence, because it was the only part of the story that wasn't completely retarded. The children said there were 16 trap doors in the floors, and identified specific locations, and investigators peeled up the tile floor and found nothing. No tunnels. Almost as if trap doors, like tunnels, and like witches, unassisted human flight, lions, hot air balloons, and Chuck Norris, were just something children in the 80's had heard of. Then, in 1990, a man hired by some of the parents, who were still convinced that the tunnels existed, to find the tunnels, found the tunnels! The reason we couldn't find them, he explained, was that they, at a volume of about 1350 cubic feet, had been filled in by the perpetrators, while the perpetrators, who were variously near-sighted, overweight, claustrophobic, and sexagenarian, were in jail awaiting trial. He doesn't suggest how this was accomplished, except, and this isn't a joke, "carefully." He alleged the filled-in tunnels had been identified through the use of ground-penetrating radar, a conclusion disputed by the firm that he had hired to conduct all of the use of ground-penetrating radar for him. In 2002, a scholarly report concluded that the "filled in tunnels" were probably actually just a garbage pit left by the previous owners, which would explain why they resembled a buried pile of garbage, including tin cans, bottles, inner tubes, garbage predating the construction of the building, as well as the previous owners' old mailbox. The criminal justice system somehow eventually saw fit to dismiss the case outright, on the basis that the evidence was "incredibly weak", which, yes. But this was just one of, God help us, dozens of significant court cases from the time examining whether or not people were molesting children for the devil. It just goes on like this
Hm. I guess that's all I have to say! We, as a nation, and parts of Canada and New Zealand, were actually afraid of satanic cults, and spent millions of dollars and threw innocent people in jail for decades, because we just suddenly collectively decided that we were probably under siege by devil worshipers, and, uh. y'know. lol.
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Don't forget the Jordan, Minnesota case, where a janitor trying to weasel out of some molestation charges accused the entire town of being a giant secret society dedicated to child sex and ritual murder. The story was reported as-is in the press. Notably, Steve Albini read the story, bought the whole thing, and wrote a song about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuCs1aKzWiQ
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 01:50 |
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I remember hearing about this 1980s craze. Wasn't there one story about one woman amidst this hysteria accusing her own father of molesting her when she was young, something she completely made up as she later admitted? Imagine living with that.
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 01:56 |
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I remember this poo poo. My parents are Jehovah's Witnesses. This was all the proof that they needed that demons exist and that they're err'where. Also, it was really hard to rock out when all your favorite bands were cashing in on the hysteria and putting upside down crosses and pentagrams everywhere. My mother cried when she found my D&D books. The Dregs fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Feb 9, 2017 |
# ? Feb 9, 2017 01:58 |
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Awesome post. This has always fascinated me.Cubone posted:Dateline: America, 1980's
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 02:02 |
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Fascinating. I recall readng a book many years ago about the satanic panic (I think it was called Suffer the Children?) and it alleged that there have not actually been any "real" satanic cults (like, the kind that actually performed ritualistic human sacrifices) since the 1940s. Does anyone know if that is true?
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 02:02 |
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nice to see a dare thread with an occult twist
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 02:05 |
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*considers how long it would take to change every word into cubone like in the av, vs the quality of the joke, then shrugs and sighs* (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 02:06 |
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The first season of True Detective was really good (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 02:06 |
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I understand Patton Oswalt is being investigated for murdering his wife in a morphean occult sacrifice
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 02:09 |
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yeah back in the day the media would say just about anything to cover for #pizzagate but we know the truth now
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 02:10 |
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So, you're saying that that the devil never actually influenced anyone and it was all their own doing? This sounds a lot like Jesus, how people give him accolades, but they are ultimately responsible for the good they've done. It's amazing how two sides of a coin can be interwoven in the tapestry of humanity.
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 02:11 |
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That's nothing, I heard that the kids now-a-days use different colored wrist bands to advertise how many sexual acts they have performed.
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 02:12 |
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Shaquin posted:I understand Patton Oswalt is being investigated for murdering his wife in a morphean occult sacrifice i just saw him when I watched The Santa Clarita Diet and i was like, "too soon."
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 02:15 |
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I grew up in the eighties (because I'm old) and the OP is playing you guys straight in a non-sexual way, because holy poo poo this stuff 100% happened. And people, ordinary loving people that have barbecues and avoid fundamentalist churches, were seriously freaked out, so daycares in general were under scrutiny as a result. I was a kid and heard this stuff secondhand from everyone talking about it (my parents gave zero fucks or I guess maybe were satanists?); my friends and I were simultaneously freaked out and extremely fascinated by the whole thing. Good times.
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 02:58 |
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Everytime I say hail, you say Satan! HAIL! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 03:00 |
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get a load of this you guys... in the 1990s half the nation was convinced video games were turning our children into hardened killers!! aye carumba!
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 03:07 |
OP you should check out The Witch-Hunt Narritive by Ross Cheit.
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 03:09 |
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holy crap lois! in the 2000s fifteen Saudi Arabians drove planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, and we fought back by attacking... Iraq! Can't tell those dang ol arabic-types apart!
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 03:11 |
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I wonder how many kids got pulled out of day care over this lol
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 03:11 |
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This is all pretty interesting. I'd heard of it before and I had always assumed it was some very isolated thing, like a series of incidents in 1/2 US states, I wasn't aware it was a full-blown phenomenon for a while.
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Like all good mass hysteria, it was a combination of things. Loads of women working outside the home meant they had to put kids in daycare, so they felt guilty about turning kids over to STRANGERS who might attack them. Add in a few well-publicized real cases of child abuse, sprinkle in the anti D & D nonsense, and you're off to the races. An amazing number of child psychologists and advocates turned out to be feeding the molestation stories to the kids because they themselves had been molested, and thought they 'knew the signs'. The kids were encouraged to say all kinds of stupid crap, like they sacrificed rabbits, dogs, cats, other kids, and had to drink the blood. No one seems to have ever heard their kids say 'we cut up Billy today', saw Billy standing right there, and made the connection that maybe, just maybe, the kids weren't telling the truth. People had been told for years that 'little kids don't lie about this kind of thing', yet here they were, lying because Cindy the nice lady rewarded them for doing so. So they believed it when their kids made up increasingly ridiculous sagas. Once you're accused of child molestation, that's it. You might just as well jump off the Chrysler building. Because even if you can prove you weren't even in the same state as little Johnny when he says you made him eat the bones of his still-living dog while you raped him, you're always going to have people assuming you're a child molester.
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 03:25 |
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Yep it, was all made up, nothing to worry about. Now who wants some pizza? *turns to reveal cat eyes*
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 03:27 |
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Well into the 90's daytime TV and Christian channels were all over this poo poo and it was the funniest, most retarded poo poo you could imagine. They had guys go in to consult with cops. There were sometimes groups that went to public schools trying to ferret out the Beelzebub. All with taxpayer money. Just watch old episodes of the 700 club before 1996 or so. Satanism was that world's terrorism. It was like the cold war, except with demons instead of spies.
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 03:31 |
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death by computer posted:Don't forget the Jordan, Minnesota case, where a janitor trying to weasel out of some molestation charges accused the entire town of being a giant secret society dedicated to child sex and ritual murder. The story was reported as-is in the press. Notably, Steve Albini read the story, bought the whole thing, and wrote a song about it. that song is awesome despite being predicated on a hilariously false premise but of course Kerosene is the Big Black go-to song
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 03:32 |
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possibly a sphere may be of use here, or an orb of many colors
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 03:35 |
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Khazar-khum posted:Like all good mass hysteria, it was a combination of things. Loads of women working outside the home meant they had to put kids in daycare, so they felt guilty about turning kids over to STRANGERS who might attack them. Add in a few well-publicized real cases of child abuse, sprinkle in the anti D & D nonsense, and you're off to the races. I remember the response to concerns that kids had been inadvertently coached to provide damning testimony was for the longest time, "you are accusing the children of lying!" Also in one of those cases two female accused were released after a few years and the ridiculous nature of the accusations became apparent but their male co-accused wasn't released for a few more years, if ever?
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:yeah back in the day the media would say just about anything to cover for #pizzagate but we know the truth now yeah, tbh, if this doesn't have anything to do with pizzagate I really don't give a poo poo.
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 03:51 |
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Which country was it where everyone was killing each other over Tulips 500 years ago?
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 03:53 |
Hector Beerlioz posted:Which country was it where everyone was killing each other over Tulips 500 years ago? Enter: the 'Daffodil Revolution'.
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Hector Beerlioz posted:Which country was it where everyone was killing each other over Tulips 500 years ago? Are you maybe thinking of tulip mania in the Netherlands? Though that was in the 1600s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania
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Flared Basic Bitch posted:Are you maybe thinking of tulip mania in the Netherlands? Though that was in the 1600s. Oh that's it. My dad had a book on mass hystetia that made for good toilet reading, i only really remember that one tho
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 04:08 |
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There was a kinda actual case of this in Mexico in the 80s at least https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo_Constanzo
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 04:09 |
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Hector Beerlioz posted:Everytime I say hail, you say Satan! SATAN!
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 04:10 |
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Bilbo Bellend posted:SATAN! Hell yeah, brother!
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 04:13 |
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Remember that if you say you don't believe in god on the internet, and someone reads it and is annoyed, you're literally the exact same as the people who perpetuated this, except from the other side.
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counterfeitsaint posted:Remember that if you say you don't believe in god on the internet, and someone reads it and is annoyed, you're literally the exact same as the people who perpetuated this, except from the other side. Your post is the reason why I log in, thank you.
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 04:16 |
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BigPoot posted:There was a kinda actual case of this in Mexico in the 80s at least they forgot to molest kids or fly through tunnels though. pretty glaring oversight imo
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 04:19 |
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I think Nazi panic is the modern day Satanist panic
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# ? Feb 9, 2017 04:21 |
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Here's a good longform to read "In 1992, Fran and Dan Keller were sent to prison for sexually abusing a child in the suburban Austin day care center. But parents have convinced themselves that the couple is guilty of much worse. They believe the Kellers belong to a cult that tortured and brainwashed their kids and turned them into Satan’s slaves" http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-innocent-and-the-damned/
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