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Hambilderberglar posted:Ah yes the poor elderly, living large on the tax contributions of the young who get hired at a fraction of the wages that they once did in a time where hilariously loose credit requirements got them into a housing market that's now appreciated beyond affordability for anyone who didn't buy back then. "lol gently caress you if you wasted your education/first jobs years sleeping in a shed because Nazis forcibly evacuated the entire border town to make room for the Siegfried Line, why didn't you just grow up in the post war era and got rich off reconstruction money like us? Dumbass." - 50PLUS's position towards anybody over 80
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Junior G-man posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzvEK_l6Hlk  Is he on the list for VNL because he's too much of a blowhard to want to be under Geert's thumb or are there some nominal differences in their party platforms? E: Asehujiko posted:Not even all old people. Boomers with a second house are more than willing to let the last remnants of the pre-ww2 generation suffer in squalor as well. My 92 year old grandmother's teeth are rotting out of her mouth because dental care is apparently not a thing the retirement home does for people no longer able to lift a toothbrush. You don't hear Krol about that.  Perhaps he should do an UMP and rebrand his party De Republikeinen, because they've basically homed in on the same demographic niche at this point. Hambilderberglar fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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Hambilderberglar posted:My god he sucks so much. Moral panic over christmas trees while the guy looking like a cheap Hans Teeuwen seriously asks whether or not immigration went too fast and perhaps we should close the borders to the coloureds threatening are values. He is the list leader for VNL, and he can't be with Wilders because VNL comes from Bontekoe and Klaveren, the PVV splinter who left for reasons I can't be arsed to look up really.
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Junior G-man posted:He is the list leader for VNL, and he can't be with Wilders because VNL comes from Bontekoe and Klaveren, the PVV splinter who left for reasons I can't be arsed to look up really. quote:"In early 2007, Nawijn participated in the Dutch version of So You Wanna Be a Popstar?, broadcast by the Dutch commercial TV channel SBS6, granting him fulfilment of one of his dreams. He stated that "Now that I have left national politics, I can do such things. An additional advantage is that it will keep me a bit 'in the picture'".[14] As a result of his performances at the talent contest, which were met with public ridicule,[15] Nawijn signed up for a five-year contract as a singer.[16][17] His first single came out in May 2007, Hey Jumpen, in the jumpstyle genre, and reached #45 in the Dutch Single Top 100 charts.[18][19]" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMBM-6Di_qE Hambilderberglar fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Mar 2, 2017 |
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If you've never seen it, you have to. It is completely  For the non-Dutch, this is a former Dutch MP who first got in with Fortuijn (Wilders before Wilders) and then was part of about 50 zillion splinter parties. (EFB for the video)
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Junior G-man posted:If you've never seen it, you have to. It is completely That's old school, THAT is how you do Dutch politics Interesting piece from the Financial Times. The less formal education you have, the more likely you are to support Wilders: https://www.ft.com/dutchvoting (paywall) quote:The detailed analysis of 2012 data throws up a complex web of reasons for the rise in support for the PVV in the Netherlands but some patterns have emerged. It suggests a clear rural and urban divide in the way communities react to the presence of immigrants. Of course, it's not that Wilders supporters are "stupid," just that working class people with less formal education are more likely to be the losers of globalization and therefore more likely to blame immigrants and the EU for their misfortune. Interestingly, it's younger people who tend to support Wilders more than older people, presumably because the PVV is a younger party and older Dutch people are already supporters of the parties that have been around longer.
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Junior G-man posted:It's because we were (up to now) quite good at getting a massive exemption from the EU on our nitrogen and phosphate emissions, but now that the EU and NL are signed up to the Paris Climate Agreement and Sustainable Development Goals, the EC is taking a much dimmer view than they used to. I'm just hoping this means the EU is gonna crack down on Danish pig farmers too. R. Mute posted:Generational politics are, real dumb
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http://www.parool.nl/amsterdam/radicale-moslims-roepen-op-niet-te-gaan-stemmen~a4469674/ (Dutch) English tl;dr A certain Salafist mosque in Amsterdam is calling upon its flock not to vote, as voting puts the power of the law in the hands of man, and not Allah. Worth noting that there are other (also Salafist) mosques who do not agree with this standpoint and are urging their visitors to vote to help avoid a Wilders win, and some of those that say not to vote say that should be seen from the perspective of the fact that politics has rarely delivered positive change to Muslims living in the Netherlands, not because of any religious proscriptions. I wonder if a mass abstention of Muslim votes mean Geert is appreciably more likely to win. But I'm not sure I want to find out.
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Junior G-man posted:It's because we were (up to now) quite good at getting a massive exemption from the EU on our nitrogen and phosphate emissions, but now that the EU and NL are signed up to the Paris Climate Agreement and Sustainable Development Goals, the EC is taking a much dimmer view than they used to. The best part about these loving farmers is when the EU cut the quotas a few years back I read a bunch of interviews where the farmers were ever so happy. Finally they'd be able to produce more than some dumb Brussels quota, and through the wonders of the free market, not only would they all be able to produce more, but they'd get a higher price as well! Fast forward about a year after prices have predictably fallen in response to all the producers increasing their production and lo and behold, farmers complaining in the papers about the drat politicians in Brussels who are destroying the poor farmers with their terrible policies. In short, gently caress the farmers in their dumb faces.
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Literally every Dutch party since the end of WW2.
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Orange Devil posted:In short, gently caress the farmers in their dumb faces. Well, it's not quite that easy, but in broad strokes I agree. I remember all the dairy farmers 3-4 years ago being all smug as gently caress about their high prices.
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The Turkish foreign minister is coming to Rotterdam four days before the election to campaign for the 'Erdogan for Eternal President' referendum among Turkish nationals here. This'll be fun  https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2017/03/03/turkse-minister-buitenlandse-zaken-naar-rotterdam-a1548729
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With a little luck they'll declare him persona non grata the same way they told him to gently caress off in Germany.
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Grouchio posted:The Ides of March are looking strong this year... Half the Parliament coming together to stab the new PM would be amazing.
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https://twitter.com/henkvaness/status/838061417844592640 Fellow Travelers should really brush up on their campaign finance law
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Junior G-man posted:Half the Parliament coming together to stab the new PM would be amazing.
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Junior G-man posted:Half the Parliament coming together to stab the new PM would be amazing. Dare we hope for the end of the monarchy in our lifetime?
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JMolen posted:loving VNL what a joke! As if having a Boomer-party with the king of douchebags Henk Krol wasn't embarrassing enough we also get to have a Reddit party!
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Asehujiko posted:You seem to have already forgotten our antivax party. They're not even the only one.  The other has seats in parliament. I would link the website but of course it doesn't work on sundays.
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you feelin fucky posted:They're not even the only one.
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Asehujiko posted:Really, are they? I always thought of they did accept that vaccines do something but they still don't like them because children dying of preventable diseases is God's Will. Oh yeah, they don't doubt their efficacy, but the official party standpoint is against mandatory vaccination or their promotion. Something like 50% of them still believe the best way to serve god is in a wheelchair.
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Junior G-man posted:That RTL4 debate was loving terrible; contentless drivel everywhere, but compacted into 30 second snippets. Yeah, it was really bad, i zapped away after seeing Asscher being harassed by that lady about how he only has like 12 seats in the polls. It was embarassing to watch.
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Asehujiko posted:D66 has something even weirder than yard signs: Glad I skipped the RTL debate, though I did hear Thieme shut down some question about her 7th day adventist spiel with grace and verve.
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I have been out of town for the weekend so no recent updates from me, but it's been an eventful couple of days in the Netherlands... So, the short version is this: Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is holding a referendum in April to turn Turkey from a parliamentary to a presidential system, which would grant him more powers and allow him to basically stay in office until 2029. A lot of Turks have dual citizenship and live in European cities, so Erdoğan and his party want to campaign in those cities (including Rotterdam) to get Turks to vote in the referendum. However, the Netherlands does not permit overseas election campaigning, which is common enough that even Turkey has a similar law (although it is rarely enforced). On March 11, the Rutte government denied allowing the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Turkey to enter Turkey for a planned visit after the Turkish minister asked all of Rotterdam's Turks to come to the Turkish consulate. Erdoğan insulted the Dutch and called them Nazis and then attempted to send a woman minister in his Cabinet to the Rotterdam consulate; she had to be detained and declared persona non grata. As international incidents go, it's pretty dull with the Dutch being very reasonable and everyone blaming Erdoğan for escalating things. This will probably help Rutte since it will make him look like a tough leader going up against the Turkish government. Then again, the images of Turks in Rotterdam fighting with the police could just as well fuel xenophobia and Islamophobia beneficial to Wilders. Anyway the Dutch elections are tomorrow! I'm going to use the Peil poll for 14 March in terms of projected seats: VVD 27 PVV 24 CDA 22 GL 18 D55 15 SP 13 PvdA 9 Other 6 CU 5 50+ 4 PvdD 4 SGP 3 Rutte and Wilders participated in a debate on Monday, their only debate for this election. They will be taking part in a final pre-electon debate with other political leaders tonight. Referring to the incident with the Turkish government, Wilders called for throwing the Turkish ambassador out of the country, leading Rutte to compare Wilders to Trump. There's also been an ongoing scandal concerning how much U.S. money has been going to the PVV from right-wing donors here, such as noted Islamophobe David Horowitz. However, it seems that the money has dropped off some since 2015: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/world/europe/geert-wilders-netherlands-campaign-donations.html?_r=0 One of the DENK party leaders, Tunahan Kuzu, has pulled out of the debate tonight because of the involvement of VNL party leader Jan Roos, because Ross has a history of "xenophobic and homophobic statements." The editor for NOS News said that the debate with Roos was chosen by a random draw and that Kuzu and the other participants knew for nearly six weeks. http://nos.nl/artikel/2163122-kuzu-zegt-af-voor-nos-slotdebat-vanwege-xenofobe-jan-roos.html The leader of the CDA, sourpuss Sybrand Buma has proposed getting rid of dual citizenship. He said on radio show that this would also apply to the Queen of the Netherlands, Maxima, who is Argentine. http://www.nporadio1.nl/de-ochtend/onderwerpen/399820-sybrand-buma-ook-koningin-maxima-moet-dubbele-paspoort-inleveren The above is notable because in 2007 Maxima stirred some controversy when she said there was no such thing as a "Dutch identity" because the country is so liberal and tolerant. I guess in whatever nice bubble she lives in she doesn't encounter many racists or nationalists. Anyway, if dual citizenship was revoked, Maxima would (legally, at least) become Dutch and only Dutch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt0pHmZuDz0 Here are some English-language articles, since the Dutch election is tomorrow and the rest of the world is starting to care: What the Dutch elections are all about … and what they’re not about https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/14/what-dutch-elections-are-all-about-netherlands-politics (Cas Mudde/The Guardian) Everything you need to know about the Dutch election http://abcnews.go.com/International/dutch-election/story?id=46041792 (ABC News) Wilders's Party Slumps in Final Dutch Polls on Election Eve https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-14/wilders-party-slumps-in-shock-dutch-poll-on-eve-of-election (Bloomberg) Hours before elections, Dutch have a problem: They can’t decide whom to vote for https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...m=.51f9172cffbc (Washington Post) European leaders shouldn't breathe too big a sigh of relief if Wilders does not gain power http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/dutch-elections-geert-wilders-afd-marine-le-pen-mark-rutte-a7630051.html (Indy) Panama Red fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Mar 14, 2017 |
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Even though I keep hearing that Wilders getting power is impossible, I'm getting a loving panic attack. I just want all this to be over.
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AceOfFlames posted:Even though I keep hearing that Wilders getting power is impossible, I'm getting a loving panic attack. I just want all this to be over. stop arzying, there's no way he can win
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AceOfFlames posted:Even though I keep hearing that Wilders getting power is impossible, I'm getting a loving panic attack. I just want all this to be over.
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Kurtofan posted:stop arzying, there's no way he can win
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AceOfFlames posted:Even though I keep hearing that Wilders getting power is impossible, I'm getting a loving panic attack. I just want all this to be over. Is portuguese aerospace engineer a euphemism for maroccan shoplifter or something? Because even as a southern european he's not going to kick you out if he magically gets 100% of the votes. We import so many southern european engineers that getting rid of them would hurt our industry a lot. We literally can't replace you, especially in loving aerospace engineering, yet you keep worrying about it for some reason. The absolute worst that can happen is that companies will negotiate your wage down to merely average if wilders somehow blows up the eu and you need that job for a visa. That's what happens to iranians, but we still hire a boatload of them each year.
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