SHUPS 4 DETH posted:

well i can tell you what the message wasn't

it wasn't "vote for the only candidate who isn't donald fuckin trump who can actually win, gently caress off third parties"

maybe why she lost? idk

i guess imo i'm done with clintons and thinking about clintons, perhaps forever. sorry i added nothing to your good thread Montasque

breaklaw posted:

But really her message was

Women for Hillary!
African-Americans for Hilary!
Hispanics for Hillary!
LGBT for Hillary!
Muslims for Hillary!


...and as for the rest of you racist, misogynist, xenophobic Islamophobes, well... Demographics is Destiny. It's 2016, get over it!

DoctorGonzo posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOUFsCS7xYE&t=623s This is the moment Hillary lost. She was loving trashed.

slave to my cravings posted:

Hillary won all 3 debates

Ferrinus posted:

Not a Step posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd3UMU85od0

lol, just lol. How can she even call herself a politician?

E: Oh god that was during the primaries. How did people still vote for her?

Homeless Friend posted:

Walmart continues campaign to torture workers.

comedyblissoption posted:

the first half-dozen or so pages were serious examples of the clinton campaign falling on their face on messaging so congrats thread you did it

Condiv posted:

ok, so this thread has been running for 14 pages, does anyone know what hillary's campaign message was yet? considering what a great campaign she ran, someone on this forum's gotta know what her message to the public was

Nonsense posted:

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/758507705950765056

Panzeh posted:

Typically when you attack a candidate you're trying to depress the turnout of their supporters, which is why all of the anti-trump commercials focused entirely on racism and sexism rather than his catchphrase literally being "you're fired". If Hillary is going to be marked as corrupt, why not mark Trump as an out of touch billionaire? If you can't splice in you're fired with some closed factory stock footage, you suck.

Modest Mao posted:

The idea that the MAGA hat is bad design and the H is good is some bizzaro world poo poo

the MAGA hat looks like americana, like literally every gas station across america sells those types of shoddy hats and it actually owns. It's incredibly easy to understand and an aggressive visible symbol, so much so that students have been banned from wearing it

The H is so laughably bad and as someone who works in an extremely visual field this is the most palpable out-of-touch-coastal-elite story I've read yet

Nonsense posted:

Andorra posted:

"Trump voters are all racists/sexist"
"Trump is racist/sexist"
"Vote your conscience"
"No wait why are you voting for him"

quote:

There is a critical scene in Shattered, the new behind-the-scenes campaign diary by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes, in which staffers in the Hillary Clinton campaign begin to bicker with one another.

At the end of Chapter One, which is entirely about that campaign's exhausting and fruitless search for a plausible explanation for why Hillary was running, writers Allen and Parnes talk about the infighting problem.

"All of the jockeying might have been all right, but for a root problem that confounded everyone on the campaign and outside it," they wrote. "Hillary had been running for president for almost a decade and still didn't really have a rationale."

Allen and Parnes here quoted a Clinton aide who jokingly summed up Clinton's real motivation:

"I would have had a reason for running," one of her top aides said, "or I wouldn't have run."

The beleaguered Clinton staff spent the better part of two years trying to roll this insane tautology – "I have a reason for running because no one runs without a reason" – into the White House. It was a Beltway take on the classic Descartes formulation: "I seek re-election, therefore I am... seeking re-election."

Shattered is sourced almost entirely to figures inside the Clinton campaign who were and are deeply loyal to Clinton. Yet those sources tell of a campaign that spent nearly two years paralyzed by simple existential questions: Why are we running? What do we stand for?...

...In the Clinton run, that problem became such a millstone around the neck of the campaign that staffers began to flirt with the idea of sharing the uninspiring truth with voters. Stumped for months by how to explain why their candidate wanted to be president, Clinton staffers began toying with the idea of seeing how "Because it's her turn" might fly as a public rallying cry.

Homeless Friend posted:

MaxxBot posted:

The line is from Alexis de Tocqueville, I was confused when she started saying it because I had previously only heard it from conservatives. Maybe that makes sense now I guess .

quote:

As the fog of summer was still clearing, when few people paid close attention to politics, the New York Times had just published a story about a coming Clinton campaign strategy shift. Hillary would “show more humor and heart,” the headline declared.

“In the piece, Clinton’s top aides—including Mook and Palmieri—admitted that there had been significant blunders made by the campaign, notably the months-long denial that there was a problem with her use of a private e-mail server. And that the American public perceived her as too robotic and aloof. But, they promised, the real Hillary would emerge following Labor Day weekend.

That Hillary, they claimed, was relatable to nearly anyone, downright funny, and didn’t take herself too seriously. More than anything, they said, she was authentic. The image makeover was timed to preview Clinton’s appearances on The Ellen DeGeneres Show, The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon, and countless other lighthearted programs where Clinton would dance the Nae Nae, reveal that she kept up with the Kardashians and Homeland, and ask hosts to playfully tug on her hair.

Buell was displeased. By announcing a strategy to make Hillary seem more real, her team had “actually achieved the opposite effect. Clinton supporters across the country read it the same way. It was a pure what-the-gently caress moment—a major unforced error that buttressed qualms about Hillary’s honesty and trustworthiness at a terrible time. Buell, channeling the collective outrage of the pro-Clinton forces, scolded Mook.”

“Why would you say something like that?” Buell demanded. “There’s nothing more disingenuous than having the campaign quoted within the article.”

Mook didn’t have a good explanation because there was no good explanation. Instead, he defended himself by assuring her that the campaign’s data looked strong.”

Typo posted:

tbf I got a feeling this is partially because they mostly interviewed ppl who aren't mook and are trying to cover their own asses by blaming someone else