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Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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:siren: PREMIERES MARCH 8 :siren:

Zesty Crab Legs posted:


What is Survivor?

Survivor is a reality show where a group of 18 to 20 or so contestants, from all walks of life, are stuck on a remote paradise and forced to live together for 39 days; gathering their own food, building their own shelter, and purifying their own water. The cast is split into opposing, equal teams, called tribes. The tribes must work together to form a community, in the hopes of one contestant becoming the Sole Survivor and winning one million dollars. At least one contestant is voted off every episode.

A typical Survivor season has three phases. Pre-Merge, Post-Merge, and Endgame.

  • Pre-Merge: Roughly the first half of the game. The tribes compete against each other twice each episode. First for a reward, and second for tribal immunity. Tribes that fail the immunity challenge will be forced to vote one of their own members out at the end of the episode.

  • Post-Merge: The tribes are merged together. Players are now playing for individual immunity and all players will participate in voting out a player from the tribe.

  • Endgame: Once 5-7 players or so remain, the show reaches the End game phase. Usually the very strong core alliances are shaken up here as people try to reach the end or placate the jury. The last nine players voted out before the final tribal council will join a Jury that will decide who will win of the final three (sometimes two) players.


Supplemental Material

  • Rob Has A Podcast: Available on iTunes or their website. Former Castaway Rob Cesternino does a few podcasts a week discussing the latest episodes events, interviewing the latest player voted out, and provides theories about strategy. He frequently brings former castaways on as guests. This podcast provides worthwhile insight and background information that you won't get from the show.

  • Twitter: List of Cast. Survivors poo poo on each other, shill for their crap, and every once in awhile tweet something that's actually amusing. Currently missing Michaela, Ciandre, Paul, and Taylor

  • YouTube: The Official YouTube Channel updates at the end of each episode with bonus confessionals, behind the scenes, and Ponderosa videos.


Glossary of Terms

  • Blindside: When a tribal council seems to be set up so one or one of two possible players are getting eliminated, but somehow either a secret coalition or a surprising idol play makes it so someone else is voted out instead.

  • "The Edit": Survivor is a show to entertain. It is produced and edited in a way to give players a streamlined personality and to create as much tension before Tribal Council as possible.

  • Goat: A useless, awful, or crazy person that is not being voted out of the game specifically so a player can look like a more desirable final survivor to the jury compared to the goat.

  • HII: Hidden Immunity Idol. They are hidden around the island. Clues will be given that could reveal their location. One-use item that a player can use after the votes are cast (but before they are read) at Tribal Council to nullify votes against that person. They can't be used at Final Four player or later.

  • Mactor: Portmanteau of "Model/Actor". A player who doesn't know the game very well and are just using it to further their career.

  • Pagonged: Going into post-merge, it's the act of voting out the former members of your opposing tribe before voting out the former members of your original tribe. It's the reason it's important to win tribal immunity pre-merge so that you outnumber the opposing tribe members in post-merge.

  • Pony/Poison: After the new season's cast is announced, thread members will pick a "Pony" (someone they think is awesome and will win) and a "Poison" (someone they think will suck and/or be an annoying rear end in a top hat they hope will lose or just simply suffer)

  • Purple Rocks: In the event of a tie at Tribal Council, there is a revote, with only the people receiving the most votes being eligible to receive votes during that revote. If the revote also ends in a tie, Survivors draw rocks. Whichever player draws the differently colored rock is eliminated from the game.

  • Splitting the vote/Flushing the Idol: An alliance that splits its votes between two members to counter a potential idol play. If one of those two players plays a Hidden Immunity Idol, there will still be enough players voting for the other guy to vote them out. This strategy can be risky.


Too much money? Smilies.


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  • :blindside:



CBS Cast bios.

The real poo poo:

:siren: GLOSS OVER AND/OR SKIM THIS IF YOU WANT TO AVOID SPOILERS FROM PAST SEASONS :siren:


Caleb Reynolds (Kaoh Rong)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HIM BECAUSE: He was the creepy guy who creeped on Amber and went by the moniker, “Beast Mode Cowboy.” However creepy his creeping, he was loyal to his allies and took fourth place.

But enough about Big Brother; his Survivor game was shockingly tolerable (and arguably actually good), and he ended it by just about dying in a challenge in which he pushed his very life to the edge for a reward of salt and pepper.

WORTH IT?: Probably not!

GAME CHANGER?!: Well, he changed from Big Brother to Survivor, so, sure.

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Tentative buy.


Jeff Varner (Australian Outback, Cambodia)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HIM BECAUSE: He’s a bit of flash with a hint of sass and a dash of fabulous. He was featured prominently in the Outback, which remains Survivor’s most-watched season to date.

GAME CHANGER?!: Passively. In Survivor’s infancy, voting ties were resolved by booting the person with the highest total of votes against them from previous tribal councils. If you think that’s overly complicated, you’re not alone; they changed that rule almost immediately. Kimmi Kappenberg spilled the beans about Varner’s history, and away he went at the first vote after the merge.

As for actually playing the game? Eh.

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Sell.


Malcolm Freberg (Philippines, Caramoan)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HIM BECAUSE: He’s got some charisma and acted nearly competent in his first outing until his strongest ally booted him at the last second. He refused to promise her his loyalty going into finals, and also cornered himself into a last minute final three deal with not-his-ride-or-die. It was very stupid of him.

In Caramoan, he consciously aimed himself into a minority alliance with the unquestionably brilliant and not-at-all obnoxious Corinne Kaplan, and later blew two hidden idols in one go to take out all-time Survivor mastermind Phillip loving Sheppard.

GAME CHANGER?!: Not really. Parvati pioneered the double-idol play (and hers actually worked), and Randy Bailey pioneered the ability to find Corinne tolerable.

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Sell. Oh god, sell. Please just get it away from me. It’s so bad.


Tony Vlachos (Cagayan)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HIM BECAUSE: He built spy shacks, has a funny accent, found three idols (including the TYLER PERRY idol), and speaks fluent llama.

Also, he won harder than almost anybody has ever won.

GAME CHANGER?!: Yes! I still have no idea how he pulled off even half of the poo poo he got away with. Take a gander at that final tribal council . The jury hated him, and all but one of them voted for him to win anyway.

Also, #SpyShack

(For those who haven’t seen Cagayan, Tony got straight to work at camp when they hit the beach. He made it appear as though he was weatherproofing the shelter and the like, when he was actually building little hideouts scattered across the camp from which he could eavesdrop.)

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Buy, for now. The other veterans will be very wary of him, but he’ll probably stick around through the early game for his strength in challenges. Guy’s got his work cut out for him.


Troyzan Robertson (One World)


(Aw, now I miss Jonas. Troyzan’s on the left, there.)

YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HIM BECAUSE: He’s a goofball. He once conducted a video AMA on Reddit wearing only a towel. He was one of the only vaguely-pleasant things to pay attention to on his season, which I cannot recommend that anybody watch.

He tried, man. He really did. He was up against Kim Spradlin, so it’s hard to get a strong read on how good a player he actually is. He certainly seemed competent, though he made the critical mistake of trusting Kim and voting out one of his only real allies right after the merge.

GAME CHANGER?!: No. He wasn’t even the T-zan who threw his dirty tightie-whities into the tribe’s boiling water pot.

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Hold. He’s a huge fan of the game and he’s been anxious to play again for a while. He might actually do something.


Aubry Bracco (Kaoh Rong)


(Oh gently caress yeah Purple Parrots ALL DAY)

YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HER BECAUSE: She cried her eyes out and missed her mommy on, like, day 2. She played a competent strategic game and had incredibly loyal allies, but she was wishy-washy and a not the best social player.

I mean, come on. She lost to Michele.

She did make it through almost the entire game with at least one, sometimes two, unflinching ally votes in her back pocket, which isn't to be sneezed at. I have a hard time finding much to say about Aubry. She's smart, but she has a bad habit of giving non-answers to people trying to win her over. Is saying a convincing yes to people really so difficult?

GAME CHANGER?!: Sure!



DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Sell. Her mistakes were more results of her personality than strategic errors (as in, they’re not really things I think she can learn from).


Ciera Eastin (Blood vs. Water, Cambodia)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HER BECAUSE: She went along with a vote VOTED HER MOM OUT, and read the writing on the wall after it was too late FORCED A ROCK DRAW. She then played in Second Chances where she prattled along in a minority alliance MADE BIG MOVES.

GAME CHANGER?!: Oh gently caress off.

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Sell.



Hali Ford (Worlds Apart)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HER BECAUSE: You probably don’t.

GAME CHANGER?!:



No.

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Hold. Remember that time they cast Amber Brkich on All Stars, or that other time they cast loving Parvati on Micronesia?

Yeah. Hold.



Michaela Bradshaw (Millennials vs. Gen-X)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HER BECAUSE: She was hilarious, let her ta-tas fly loose during a challenge, gave Probst some lip, and had good strategic wits about her. She also disliked Figgy more quickly than anybody, and we loved her for it.

GAME CHANGER?!: Ehhhhhh …nah. But you gotta appreciate her style.

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Buy.



Sandra Diaz-Twine (Pearl Islands, Heroes vs. Villains)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HER BECAUSE: She won twice and this thread inevitably devolves into a slap fight between Sandra fans and Russell fans when we get bored (two or three times per season, on average). Yeah, we’re going to have a lot of fun with this one.

That’s stupid, though. You should remember her because she used her Spanish to snag her tribe some sweet deals on day 1 of Survivor: PIRATES. She consistently used foul language in confessionals, promised Johnny Fairplay to “screw [him], AND Burton,” told RUSSELL HANTZ, the guy who eliminates threats as soon as he knows they’re there, that she was against him, and burned his stupid hat in the day 39 bonfire simply because she hated him so much.

GAME CHANGER?!: More so than most of these other clowns.

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Buy.


NUKU


Andrea Boehlke (Redemption Island, Caramoan)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HER BECAUSE: She was the only Omatepe to take any shots against Boston Rob in Survivor: Coronation Island, arguably making her the best player that season because you can’t seriously tell me that you should hold her to the same standard as a four-time vet. That said, this will be her third, so it’ll be interesting to see how she’s kept up with his trajectory.

She performed very admirably in Caramoan. She kept her finger on the pulse and very wisely allowed Phillip Sheppard to be Phillip Sheppard. She was one of those mid-merge boots who got the axe for being too threatening.

GAME CHANGER?!: I don’t think so, but she’s not bad.

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Buy.



Cirie Fields (Panama, Micronesia, Heroes vs. Villains)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HER BECAUSE: She went from being afraid of leaves and nearly voted out first to engineering one of the most incredible and satisfying vote splits the game has ever seen. She’s one of the strongest social players ever, and she lost her first two games at the last possible moments, breaking hearts wherever hearts can be found.

Want to talk social game? She convinced ice-cream-scooper-turned-comic-artist Erik to give. up individual immunity at final 5. She somehow convinced him that he needed to give it away to prove himself trustworthy. I mean, the gently caress? It doesn’t even make sense. But she sold it (RIP Erik).

She also broke hearts when she flipped out on perennial goon favorite Yau-Man and booted him super-early in Micronesia. I’m still upset about that. But this is her flaw: once she gets it in her head that she needs somebody gone, she’ll stop at nothing to get that person gone. She can be inflexible.

Finally, she went down in Heroes vs. Villains, and early. She went down properly, and she went down hard. She was caught over-scheming and over-plotting (see JT below).

GAME CHANGER?!: Yes. That vote split, man.

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Tentative buy (see JT below).



Debbie Wanner (Kaoh Rong)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HER BECAUSE: Because :lol::lol::lol::lol:, that’s why. She’s casting gold. She’s a Coach for a new generation! Production isn’t really sure what to cite for her job title, so they use just about every one she mentions. There’s also this poo poo.

GAME CHANGER?!: Nope!

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Sell!!!1one



Sarah Lacina (Cagayan)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HER BECAUSE: She was The Other Cop with a Funny Accent on Cagayan, but she didn’t speak llama so she’s not really that memorable. She started out strong, but she got cocky in her apparent sing-vote position at the merge, causing Kass to flip and get her gone (cf. Christie in Amazon).

To be fair, she’s very, very good at reading people. If I’m not mistaken, her actual cop job involves interrogation.

GAME CHANGER?!: Do you think Cops ‘R’ Us is game-changing?

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: …hold. Unlike Aubry, Sarah’s mistakes are fixable. She really needs to check her ego at the door if she wants to do well.



Sierra Dawn Thomas (Worlds Apart)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HER BECAUSE: She was the hot girl on Worlds Apart. No, the blonde one. No, not the one who got her clit stung by a bee during a challenge. The other one! gently caress, no, the TALL one!

Yeah! Her!

GAME CHANGER?!: …are you even reading this?

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Hold. I’m down with holding with the people who were invisible in their original seasons.



Brad Culpepper (Blood vs. Water)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HIM BECAUSE: gently caress you, Brad Culpepper!

Also, he’s classic pro athlete casting.

Also also, he’s a douche. He makes Jeff Kent look like a charitable human being.

WOW, EVEN WORSE THAN JOHN ROCKER?: Okay, he’s not that bad.

GAME CHANGER?!: Pfft.

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Sell.



JT Thomas (Tocantins, Heroes vs. Villains)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HIM BECAUSE: He’s a winner, and a solid one. His strength and charm matched well with Stephen’s brains and strategic prowess in Tocantins, leading us to wonder if either of them was any good at this on their own.

JT kind of seemed to answer that question with that fun little ditty up there on Heroes and Villains. Holy gently caress, that happened. That actually happened. And managing to pass the thing off AT THE CHALLENGE was as masterful and adept as it was incredibly loving retarded.

It’s not that simple, though. He’s also the guy who got Cirie out with some spying, social maneuvering, and a correct hidden immunity idol play. Having the two of them back on the same tribe could be interesting.

GAME CHANGER?!: Oh my god, yes. That letter. THAT LETTER.

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Tentative buy. Boys can learn.



Ozzy Lusth (Cook Islands, Micronesia, South Pacific)


(with bonus Coach. I need a reason to smile over here.)

YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HIM BECAUSE: He hosed both girls! “Having sex with Oscar was like having sex on top of the world.”

…well, I remember him from having sex on the Playboy Channel, but whatever.

Ozzy is arguably the most dominant physical player/immunity threat ever to play Survivor. He helped his forlorn Aitu tribe stay safe after Candice “gently caress you, Brad Culpepper!” Woodcock chose to mutiny before the merge. He continued to dominate challenges in the individual stage, and lost to Yul by a single vote, which is remarkable; Yul is generally considered to be a very strong winner.

Then Ozzy came back for Micronesia, immediately started banging Amanda Kimmel, turned out to be a cocky rear end in a top hat, and got blindsided with an idol in his pocket in my favorite episode of this entire show. And THEN he came back for South Pacific, tried to bang Elise, and went on with being arrogant. To be fair, his entire tribe was unlikeable, but good god. That was painful.

GAME CHANGER?!: Yes, unfortunately. In South Pacific, he pioneered the brilliant, foolproof strategy of having himself voted out so that he could go to Redemption Island and win Redemption Island and come back to the actual game later. Not only was it the dumbest idea ever, it almost worked. He won Redemption Island, came back to the game for the merge, got voted out again, won Redemption Island again and was one immunity challenge away from going to finals and having his douchey pre-merge tribe award him the million dollars for being an insufferable moron until he finally got voted out for realsies.

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Hold. Ugh.



Tai Trang (Kaoh Rong)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HIM BECAUSE: Sia gave him a fat wad of cash at the reunion show for befriending a chicken.



To be fair, TaixMark The Chicken was the thing to ship. They were completely adorable. Other notable romances for this hilarious shortstack included the hilariously tall Scot Pollard, and also Caleb Reynolds of the Mana tribe.

Tai, who is deeply appreciative of trees, destroyed one of them in search of a hidden immunity idol. He did eventually MacGyver his way to finding that idol, though. Speaking of idols, I’m a superfan, and I’m still a bit hazy on how they found the idols in Kaoh Rong. It was a multi-step process that involved a chest with a special key and a lockbox dozens of feet in the air. The hell?

Finally, he betrayed his boyfriend Scot, who expected to be able to use Tai’s idol portion to save himself after the votes were read. Denied. Devastating.

(Each idol had to be combined with another idol to form a super-idol, which- Jesus, gently caress the Kaoh Rong idols.)

GAME CHANGER?!: Mark The Chicken got a heartfelt send-off at final tribal council and earned Tai the most bullshit cash prize since Rupert won America’s Vote. That’s game-changing, I suppose.

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Sell. Sorry, Tai.



Zeke Smith (Millennials vs. Gen-X)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HIM BECAUSE: He was just on this show, and he was great! He wheeled and dealed and gamed his face off in one of the most strategically exciting post-merge seasons I can think of. He paid the ultimate price for playing hard, but it was fabulous fun and I think just about everybody in here is stoked to see him come back.

TELL ME SOMETHING I DON’T ALREADY KNOW, YOU DUMB IDIOT: It’s worth mentioning that he knows Andrea from a Saturday of Survivor: Brooklyn, available on YouTube, so he’s also going into this with a pre-fab connection to one of his stronger tribemates.

GAME CHANGER?!: Maybe. Maybe? I can’t really pinpoint anything he did that was very revolutionary, which kind of stinks, but he played harder and smarter than most of this cast.

DAY ONE STOCK TRADE: Buy buy buy buy squeeeeeee :neckbeard:

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Jan 2, 2005

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GuavaMoment posted:

I swear to loving God if they don't boot Sandra IMMEDIATELY...


This was mentioned back during Redemption Island and is way, way more hilarious than you could possibly imagine. If your sensibilities aren't delicate, find that show and watch it.

I don't know, I'm probably booting Aubry before her.

For real, Sandra is a solid winner pick with this crowd.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Here's the best I got of Ozzy getting his dick wet from a quick youtube search:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05YQVpmXrIo

The next video on the playlist is a full minute of him and Amanda making out :gonk:

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Jan 2, 2005

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Looten Plunder posted:

Wow, you are so much lower on Malcolm than me. He's in the perfect spot this season.

He played a pretty drat good game in both seasons, has a super strong social game, is decent in challenges, is a few years older and wiser, can hide behind the bigger alpha athletes and the bigger overall threats like JT.

Your comments on Caramoan are a little simplified. He got screwed over by Corinne and didn't consciously aim himself in to the minority, he was making a power play and thought he had the numbers. His double idol play can't be criticised too much, it made a lot of sense at the time.

I really liked Malcolm on Philippines, even if I'm being a bit snarky up there. I just facepalmed at him pretty consistently in Caramoan, but to be fair (to him) I just really didn't like much that season. I haven't seen or thought much of it since it aired, so you may well be right.

If he really brings his game he could do well, but he has stiff competition and can't afford to get cocky. If he's grown up a bit, then sure.

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Jan 2, 2005

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thexerox123 posted:

Not sure how Cirie of 10 years ago factors into anything, since by all accounts she's currently pretty svelte.

I wouldn't go that far, but she loses weight every time and seems to keep it off successfully. She gets smaller every time she plays.

That said, I would absolutely not get immediately. She's not a challenge asset for early game, at all.

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Jan 2, 2005

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At this point I feel like I should probably step out from the Malcolm debate, but I think my problem with him started when he zeroed in on that alliance with Corinne. From what I recall (which may be incomplete or just wrong), he kind of put himself in that minority position with her, just because he was so determined to work with her. The larger alliance was happy enough to accept him along for the ride, but he isolated himself there.

As was said above, the lion's share of the blame for this one goes to Corinne, but I put it on Malcolm's shoulders to have put her on such a high pedestal. It's not like she did anything so great in Gabon to have warranted being the apple of his eye.

Andrea "letting Phillip be Phillip" was a conscious choice and absolutely necessary for her game. He made it very clear in the first episode that you don't want to cross him or give him any attitude. He really took the BR rules to the next level.

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Jan 2, 2005

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You know things are bad when you kind of want to rewatch Caramoan in order to win an argument on the internet, but here we are I suppose~

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Jan 2, 2005

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The Lord Bude posted:

Caramoan is the best season ever, I rewatched it just recently.

Go away.

...

In all seriousness, just, no.

Here's what I remember from the "fans":

Whatsherface got Shamar to chill the gently caress out and made it to FTC, and lost horribly.

Julia the race car driver actually SHOULD come back, but, per Cochran:

"I wouldn't call Julia vanilla. People line up in the summertime for vanilla. She's much more boring than that."

(I liked Cochran a whole lot, until just about then.)

And... that's... it?

It was a horrible season. No shade on the fans, all of the shade on production. It was smack in the middle of the dark age.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Zesty Crab Legs posted:

You guys see that Fox show that's trying to use Survivor imagery and catchphrases for some crappy reality show of theirs?

Are you talking about Hunted?

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Jan 2, 2005

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Fallen One posted:

and post-merge was pretty bad too except for the tribal council Malcolm, Eddie, and Reynolds were all immune and the majority had to scramble for once.

I give Malcolm credit for having the idols to play there, and I see the reasoning behind the move, but it came down to one free tribal council, after which they were all booted one after the other. That's what I mean about his arrogance; he made a flashy play that wasn't terribly effective. If he'd held on to his idols and said bye to one of his bros, he gets 6-9 days to scheme and try to get back in with some kind of group, or else wait for magical bullshit to happen amongst the others and keep him safe.

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Jan 2, 2005

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garthoneeye posted:

I don't even think it was the worst move that season. I would give that to Tyson voting himself out.

That was the same deal though: it would have been a great move if it had worked. Tyson knew exactly what kind of threat Parvati posed; Russell was still something of an x factor at that point.

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Jan 2, 2005

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I think Ciera is out quickly. She's a bad strategist and a troublemaker. Nobody will want to work with her, and if I recall correctly, she's not great at challenges.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Did you even see Kaoh Rong? Getting married really cold him out.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Seconding Marquesas.

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Jan 2, 2005

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aidoru posted:

The first seven minutes were posted on CBS's website.

:laffo: at Tribe Ozzy getting an instant gear advantage.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Ciera getting voted out first might rival Ozzy's Micronesia blindside for my single most favorite survivor moment ever.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Was Skupin in hot water by the time they all went out to Fiji?

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Jan 2, 2005

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I think a lot of people would say fun season, weak winner. To her credit, Michele spent about two hours on Rob's podcast machine, and to hear her tell it sounds almost Parvati-like and respectable. The editors just never sold that to us, so who knows?

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Jan 2, 2005

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I'm actually a big Natalie White defender. She did what she had to do to win her season, and she certainly did things.

The one thing I can definitely credit to Michele's game is her maneuverability. She got shaken around a fair bit and managed to find a foothold, and win when she needed to. She actually reminds me of Danni from Guatemala.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Yeah, Brad might be our Parvati. I'm pleasantly surprised.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Frosti was seriously awesome, especially for having played at age 18 and being as insightful as anybody else on that season; he just got left in a lovely position. I'd love to see him come back, even if I doubt he will at this point. Fingers crossed?

I thought, if I recall correctly, Jeff kind of forced that whole leader business in the tribals.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Zhan Hu was just a disaster of a tribe. People were argumentative and got sick, sometimes both. Save for Frosti, they got all of the contentious strong personalities (Chicken, wrestler lady, alpha male, Peih Gee, Shirea riding the work horse until its legs fell off​). Fei Long only had Courtney and Genre Bear going at it. I think Jeff enforced the leader thing from his wit's end.

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Jan 2, 2005

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West coast feed :(

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Jan 2, 2005

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UltimoDragonQuest posted:

I guess. He died on day 9 and I haven't seen Big Brother.

I didn't follow too closely, but he's a karate black belt and spent the summer doing acrobatics and ridiculous ninja poo poo around the house. I want to say he won a bunch of challenges but I just don't remember.


There's just one challenge that sticks out (Big Brother geekery incoming):

In a stupid twist that's way too hard to explain, he was paired with the narcissistic and evil diva social media mogul Frankie Grande (brother of Ariana) who had been in on the alliance, but who everybody wanted gone. In the pair v. pair safety/power challenge, Caleb literally took his ball and went home to sit on the sideline to try and screw Frankie. Ironically, he could have thrown the challenge had he actually played, but he just sat out and Frankie won by himself.

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Jan 2, 2005

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So Malcolm tried to pivot in a useless, badly-timed, and poorly-executed minority maneuver? You don't say.

Propaganda Machine posted:

Malcolm Freberg (Philippines, Caramoan)



YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HIM BECAUSE: He’s got some charisma and acted nearly competent in his first outing until his strongest ally booted him at the last second. He refused to promise her his loyalty going into finals, and also cornered himself into a last minute final three deal with not-his-ride-or-die. It was very stupid of him.

In Caramoan, he consciously aimed himself into a minority alliance with the unquestionably brilliant and not-at-all obnoxious Corinne Kaplan, and later blew two hidden idols in one go to take out all-time Survivor mastermind Phillip loving Sheppard.

That said, he just seemed crushed. I can't feel the same schadenfreude here as I did with Ciera. I don't really want to see him play again, but he's got heart.

edit: and credit where due, he didn't follow through with it and went for the safe-ish vote. His exit speech gave me the impression that he's actually grown up a tad, which is refreshing.

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Something from all of this is that the third tribe will think that JT worked with his new tribe and vote erratically out of it comes to it.

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ApplesandOranges posted:

How dare you forget the proud tribe names that were Nobag and Enil Edam.

Also just realized last night that four of the first five boots were white guys. It's like the reverse MvG.

Don't forget Merica.

What was the dumb merge tribe name Erik conned them into during FvF, again?

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I disagree with the goat. Varner and Sandra are in lock step. There's no way she giggles to him while she eats the sugar unless she knows he's solid. Sandra's no dummy. You have to be very very tight in survivor to let somebody see you stealing food and get away with it.

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I'm taking a lazy Sunday and rewatching early Australia episodes to try and get a handle on Varner, and oh my goodness. He was a cutie back in the day :3:

This aired when I was 14, and I don't think I've seen it since. Who knew Elisabeth Filarski would become so much?

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Nick is great! I just feel so bad for Debb. She was from my neck of the woods, and Outback was a big enough deal that it ruined her complicated northern new england life.

Guys, Berlin, NH has a population of, like, 2,000.

edit: okay, 10,000. Didn't see that coming. Northern Hew Hampshire is no-mans-land. Dixville Notch has 12 people and casts the ceremonial first votes at midnight.

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Sure. I stopped watching when I went away to college because no tv, but picked it back up with the controversy around the Cook Islands tribe arrangement.

"Wait, this is still on the air?!"

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I have a list written up somewhere.

Thailand is more great from production, less great for contestants. I can't argue that Brian wasn't a great winner, but it was no fun in watching him get there. See also: Palau.

Strategically, it's hard to do better than Cook islands, Fiji, and China. They get lost in the middle, but the teenager era of survivor was satisfying enough to hook me back in.

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Max posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvJ2oWULVuI

This is a good recap and I'm going to watch her each week now.

Holy gently caress.

Her channel is going into the OP whenever I'm at a computer. That's amazing.

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Guys, Australia is a pro rewatch. Colby dealt with his $900k mistake with extraordinary grace and I kind of have a crush on him now.

But.

The reunion!

Bryant Gumbel: Kel, you said you'd never forgive Jerri for the beef jerky incident. Doesn't that seem like too much weight to carry from the situation?

Kel: oh, I forgive her. I don't like her, but I forgive her.

Jerri: :haw:

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Sand Monster posted:

Definitely this. I of course have no idea if this is the case, but I could picture some of the A-listers who may not even watch the show anymore wondering who the hell a lot of these players are. I think even casual fans of the show would struggle to remember anything about some of the "nobodies" on this season.

This is a good thought, but the problem in this line of reasoning is that production evidently has no loving clue who the real a-listers are. This cast is stacked with "who?" people, to whom we were saying "who?" when they were put up for second chances and lost (and according to a few people, that vote was rigged, anyway). Come on, this is the team that gave us blue balls from dangling Shane Powers in front of every returnee season, to the point where he's over it and never coming back. This is the team that thought fans were just dying to see Amanda Kimmel and Candice Woodcock three times each.

If we're making Survivor/Big Brother comparisons, I'd say what they have in common is the desperate need to fire the casting director.

ETA: and with all that, I'm kind of...liking?!... Ozzy this season. Maybe having him in a full returnee season kicked his ego to the curb, where it belongs?

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thexerox123 posted:

I don't think you can blame the casting director for Big Brother, as she also is the casting director for Big Brother Canada and it doesn't suffer from the same issues. I think the problem is the priorities of the producers.

This is a miscommunication on my part. Alison Grodner is really who I'm talking about, since she abuses her final say with regards to casting. Canada is a more accurate representation of the one who's trying to do her actual job. I could have said it better, but it actually kind of proves my point.

why do I know any of this

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Zesty Crab Legs posted:

I'm terrified it's going to be Hali, Sierra, Sarah final 3.

I hope we don't get the Michelle Fitzgerald "other people were more interesting so we're not showing the audience why she won" edit again.

Sierra is doing well though? The Malcolm tribal highlighted both her and Hali in positive ways. Sarah has been invisible because she's been consistently safe. Everybody on every given Ozzy tribe so far is getting the Koror (Palau) edit, and that's not a bad thing. It's not the story we should care about for the week so we don't see it. It's not like we've seen any more from Ozzy or Andrea, and you're not calling THEM out. You just know them better from previous seasons.

Given my salty reaction to the cast announcement, I'm surprised to find myself liking just about everybody left whose name isn't Debbie.

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There just isn't anything left to say about that.

:stare:

:cripes:

:sigh:

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I'm also very very sure it would be illegal tampering on CBS's part under game show law. They hosed up with Jenna Lewis that way in season one, and she got a nice settlement for it. If it ever came out that this was staged, and it would (ugh, phrasing), Survivor is immediately cancelled and several people never find work ever again.

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obliriovrons posted:

“It’s unfortunate that you can’t see the entire tribal. I wish they put that as a secret scene or something,” Varner told EW. “When I was talking about the deception of the secret alliance and trying to sway everybody else, there was a moment where Zeke looked at me — this was edited out of the show — and he said ‘There is no deception, I’m not deceiving anybody.’ And when he said that, my question just came out of my mouth to him.”

Does it seem like after all this time, after all the thinking about this that he has to have done, he still doesn't... get it?

I bet he's also misremembering the context. It's amazing how bad or brain is at memory during traumatic events, and even though the trauma had to do with him acting like human garbage, it's still trauma.

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