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young people are people with rights who get shat on by the government and their elders enough already, thy shouldnt be legally compelled to do forced labour if its voluntary then go ahead who gives a gently caress
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Wal-Mart™ is proud to offer National Service opportunities for unpaid labor to support your community with the construction of parking lots and supercenters
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XMNN posted:young people are people with rights who get shat on by the government and their elders enough already, thy shouldnt be legally compelled to do forced labour I would be all for civil service equating to free education at federally funded universities. I don't think it should actually be compulsory, just because I don't think anyone would learn from something they're really forced to do
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XMNN posted:young people are people with rights who get shat on by the government and their elders enough already, thy shouldnt be legally compelled to do forced labour That's why I said it should be mandatory for everyone. Drag all those 50-year old middle managers out into the wilderness and have them plant some loving trees instead. They're the ones who burned all the old ones.
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alternatively make it retroactive, all those old fuckers saying bring back national service whenthey never did it and they would poo poo themselves if they were required to would at least make it fair you shouldn't be able to vote to make someone else do something without the possibility of you also being made to do it
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Hobologist posted:That's why I said it should be mandatory for everyone. Drag all those 50-year old middle managers out into the wilderness and have them plant some loving trees instead. They're the ones who burned all the old ones. lol snap
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XMNN posted:alternatively make it retroactive, all those old fuckers saying bring back national service whenthey never did it and they would poo poo themselves if they were required to would at least make it fair Dude, get out of my head!
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Hobologist posted:It's not a net win for the people who fix roads or maintain forests for a living now. They're one of the few jobs that can't be outsourced and now you expect them to compete with what is basically prison labor? It may be a gross win, but not a net one. I agree, but in my idea fantasy America this would offer more like part time gigs to college students. I know stuff like this exists already, but I'd like to see it expanded on. An optional "public service corps" or whatever you want to call it, instead of the military, for people who want to serve.
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Old people are useless for compulsory service jobs and should certainly be grandfathered in if you ever hope for such an idea to fly
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:We could use a shitload of basic manual labor in the US, and there are tons of people where, given a basic task, they would really excel in life instead of just drifting into a fast-food job or no job at all. I still think everyone should get swim/firearm/first-aid training, but I'm totally cool with a plethora of civil-service options. Anyone who's extra good at bayonetting can be offered a segue into the Marines. I tried to edit this into my last post, but essential life skills that maybe not all families have access to, should be part of formal education. For instance, my high school had mandated foreign language, swimming, first aid and sex education. Other than that, teaching most basic life skills are the parents' jobs, not the government's job (which we all pay for).
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So here's the plan:. Free college for two years of civil service, jobs include, but are not limited to: Military Medicine Fire Infrastructure (roads, bridges, great walls) National park service I guess police
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Dial-a-Dog posted:So here's the plan:. Free college for two years of civil service, jobs include, but are not limited to: This is good, baby boomers would hate it
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Dial-a-Dog posted:So here's the plan:. Free college for two years of civil service, jobs include, but are not limited to: And all old people with college degrees who didn't do all that stuff can pay us back. With interest.
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: baby boomer executioner, punisher suit not provided but compensated upon proof of kill
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Dial-a-Dog posted:: baby boomer executioner, punisher suit not provided but compensated upon proof of kill Death Panels need lots of data-entry nugs.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Nobody made you choose the Air Force. yeah, that's fair
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Dial-a-Dog posted:So here's the plan:. Free college for two years of civil service, jobs include, but are not limited to: Americorps is basially nps and education, it should be expanded to include all these and become the thing we are talking about
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Yes let's take every capable 18 year old and build the infrastructure to do this with hundreds of billions of dollars and then remove those people from the workforce for 2 years of their lives and delay their college education as well I mean look at how well it's working for South Korea's population! Durrrrrrrr
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Teikanmi posted:Yes let's take every capable 18 year old and build the infrastructure to do this with hundreds of billions of dollars and then remove those people from the workforce for 2 years of their lives and delay their college education as well Hell, let's make it 10 years. It's working even better for North Korea.
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Zesty Mordant posted:Americorps is basially nps and education, it should be expanded to include all these and become the thing we are talking about A girl I used to work with started in americorps actually, and until I worked with her I had never heard of it before. It's basically the blueprint for my idea Also, to my eternal shame I wanted to, and started to, apply to the peace corps between my graduation and getting my non service job. Got my job too quick, though, and I never did it. I still feel like I did my part EMSing though
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I used to volunteer for Habitats for Humanity and generally it's easy to put people to a simple task & make them all produce a meaningful end
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Teikanmi posted:Yes let's take every capable 18 year old and build the infrastructure to do this with hundreds of billions of dollars and then remove those people from the workforce for 2 years of their lives and delay their college education as well Oh man, you're right, my office full of forty something software engineers who like to tell me about COBOL really needs 21-22 year olds and will suffer greatly from a public works movement that would make prospects 23-24 instead
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super sweet best pal posted:Requiring a mandatory two years of menial grunt work before entering college would reduce the dropout rate and liberal arts enrollment numbers a ton. Alternatively, it'd make sure that nobody signs up in the first place because who would want to waste even more years than is already required focusing on college when they could be living their life doing whatever they want edit: It also would further devalue a college education because a big part of why they are so valuable in the working world is because it's not free as hosed up as that is, which in turn would defeat another big point of going which is to gain a leg up on people who didn't go
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I think college should be free the same as high school, but we live in the real world and 1) everyone else disagrees and 2) it is both harmless and beneficial to suggest that young people should engage in civil service. Also people hate each other a whole lot less when they work together and depend on each other. I'm as white as it gets, and one of my old EMS partners was a literal black panther, we used to talk about comic books and classic rock and that guy turned out to be alright (he may still hate me though idk)
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Dial-a-Dog posted:Oh man, you're right, my office full of forty something software engineers who like to tell me about COBOL really needs 21-22 year olds and will suffer greatly from a public works movement that would make prospects 23-24 instead Probably no worse than an office full of forty-two something software engineers who spent two years hauling saplings up a mountain in Oregon while their young replacements have been busy making them even more obsolete.
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If the GI Bill has taught us anything, it's that a lot of people won't bother going to college even when it's free, so nobody is in danger of having a BA become universal across the American populace.
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Teikanmi posted:Yes let's take every capable 18 year old and build the infrastructure to do this with hundreds of billions of dollars and then remove those people from the workforce for 2 years of their lives and delay their college education as well And let's immediately fire all police, firefighters, forestry, public works and EMS workers nationwide because now we have an infinite supply of teenagers who are going to do all that work by decree.
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So basically you want to government to provide every citizen with two free years of education and vocational training op. OK yeah seems doable
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Pawn 17 posted:I would MUCH rather pay for kids to attend college than national service. College has the same benefits of meeting new people from other cultures around the country as well as bonding experiences sharing dorms or having roommates. Also the kids come out with an education. Globalist trash.
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Hobologist posted:Probably no worse than an office full of forty-two something software engineers who spent two years hauling saplings up a mountain in Oregon while their young replacements have been busy making them even more obsolete. It says a fair bit about American life that you could take 95% of the population and make them haul saplings up a mountain in Oregon for two years and they'd be *better* rather than worse off.
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Pawn 17 posted:And let's immediately fire all police, firefighters, forestry, public works and EMS workers nationwide because now we have an infinite supply of teenagers who are going to do all that work by decree. Please do, I don't know about forestry, but the rest of the services are infested with idiots, racists, people who can't physically do the job, or some variety pack of all three. Public services need youth, and they need people who haven't sat around developing prejudices for years/decades
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Dial-a-Dog posted:Also, to my eternal shame I wanted to, and started to, apply to the peace corps between my graduation and getting my non service job. Got my job too quick, though, and I never did it. I still feel like I did my part EMSing though Funny how the two people in the thread who think this would be a good idea are the ones who think they already did it and wouldn't have to do it again.
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Dial-a-Dog posted:I think college should be free the same as high school, but we live in the real world and 1) everyone else disagrees and 2) it is both harmless and beneficial to suggest that young people should engage in civil service. Also people hate each other a whole lot less when they work together and depend on each other. I'm as white as it gets, and one of my old EMS partners was a literal black panther, we used to talk about comic books and classic rock and that guy turned out to be alright (he may still hate me though idk) The US needs fewer nationalistic people, not more.
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Pawn 17 posted:And let's immediately fire all police, firefighters, forestry, public works and EMS workers nationwide because now we have an infinite supply of teenagers who are going to do all that work by decree. Or on the opposite end, fire everyone in the military below the rank of Staff Sergeant or Major? You can jam all kinds of labor below even the lowest position in the US and simply free to up the other people to do more of the harder parts of their jobs. I'd love to have a bunch of teenagers doing the menial poo poo for my job while I do the cerebral poo poo. TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Feb 26, 2017 |
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When I finally have a heart attack shitposting, I want a crew full of 20 something newbs pounding on my chest, not a fat fifty year old who never got his paramedic card
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Americans should generally get some real life experience for a couple years between high school and college so they have a better grasp on the requirements of working life as well as life without government mandated time-tables Volunteer work, emergency training classes, and humanitarian work would be good for that transitory period
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Dial-a-Dog posted:When I finally have a heart attack shitposting, I want a crew full of 20 something newbs pounding on my chest, not a fat fifty year old who never got his paramedic card I somehow read "supple" into the first half of your post.
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Hobologist posted:Funny how the two people in the thread who think this would be a good idea are the ones who think they already did it and wouldn't have to do it again. Funny how you read my eternal regret and assumed I wouldn't do it again. I already did it, I don't think you did, if I had the means I would do it again tomorrow but right now I have to pay off the student loans that EMS would literally never afford for me
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