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got some chores tonight: Feb 18, 2012; honk honk whats for lunch...

i agree w/ tobbs thanks for reminding me homes i like stickers ##vote tobbs

# ? Mar 11, 2017 04:04

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 17:20

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

BottleKnight posted:

If anything, on rethinking my Rarity case post-flip I became more convinced it's right because she came in late and tried to hardcore put the hammer down on AA, whose alignment she was very sure about, and offered to hammer a lynchbomb while knowing she was only going to be around for 30 more minutes. It's scummy as hell.

this is a really good point

# ? Mar 11, 2017 04:29

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

this is a stickup posted:

mmt was town and correctly figured out you were scum early on due to posting that is incredibly similar to the way you're posting now, and yet mmt has not mentioned you at all

I was waiting for Tobbs to post more before bringing it up. Going into D2 he had town points for referencing a bunch of meta reads but scum points for not voting for anyone outside of Keane.

As it stands right now I agree with you. ##vote Tobbs

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

P sure MMT was scum that game.

Are you badgering MMT for not playing her scum game?

I was town, you were scum, and you killed me N2 because I was 100% positive you were scum based on a meta read on you. It was like 3 weeks ago, do you not remember?

For reference, the meta case (here) was:

"Murmur Twin" (in another game) posted:

I don't think I've ever been in a game with scum Tobbs, which is why the difference here is so striking to me. The things he's doing differently aren't minor things, they're striking differences that I would perceive as scumtells on anyone.

(a) we're halfway into day 2 and he's only made one case (which starts with "I actually agree with MMT here")
(b) he isn't voting for anyone
(c) he posts an excuse for why he isn't posting as much this game

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I'm just going down the list of recent games:

In Swan Song, where Tobbs is town, he makes 8 total votes in the first three pages of his post history.

In Katamari Mafia where Tobbs is town, he makes 9 total votes in two pages of his post history.

In Paupers of Podlma, where Tobbs is scum, he makes 2 total votes in the first three pages of his post history (full disclosure: I wasn't in this game and hadn't read it; I just scrolled through Tobbs' post history for that game).

In this game, he has 1 vote so far, 2 if you count the stickup joke vote.

In this game, midway into D2, he has 2 total votes, only 1 if you discount the joke vote on CL.

# ? Mar 11, 2017 04:32

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

P sure MMT was scum that game.

Are you badgering MMT for not playing her scum game?

What are your opinions of me, Max, and Keane so far?

# ? Mar 11, 2017 04:35

Tobbs Gnawed: Apr 4, 2007; All round mafia nice guy

Murmur Twin posted:

What are your opinions of me, Max, and Keane so far?

Max town, you town, Keane scum.

##vote CCKeane

# ? Mar 11, 2017 04:58

Tobbs Gnawed: Apr 4, 2007; All round mafia nice guy

Also quid and stickup scum.

# ? Mar 11, 2017 05:07

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

Max town, you town, Keane scum.

##vote CCKeane

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Also quid and stickup scum.

Were you going to explain why or do you need me to ask you first?

# ? Mar 11, 2017 05:56

Tobbs Gnawed: Apr 4, 2007; All round mafia nice guy

Murmur Twin posted:

Were you going to explain why or do you need me to ask you first?

Same reasons as yesterday. Keane believing AA but still pushing him is icing on the meta cake.

# ? Mar 11, 2017 14:38

Max: Nov 30, 2002

Hot phone post take, I'm not really sold on Tobbs as scum, mostly because I believe he would have argued for me to be the NK, not Fisk.

# ? Mar 11, 2017 17:44

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Max posted:

Hot phone post take, I'm not really sold on Tobbs as scum, mostly because I believe he would have argued for me to be the NK, not Fisk.

You don't find anything the least bit suspicious about the fact that Tobbs has one single game opinion that he's been willing to flesh out and otherwise is showing no interest in hunting for scum?

# ? Mar 11, 2017 18:05

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

I think AA has been playing a really really bad game and saying only things that are wrong, but that doesn't mean he's scum.

I should just give in and admit that I am a meta monster.

I'm not feeling Max for scum this game. That fishiness that surrounds him is absent.

This is so painfully obviously chores' town game that I wouldn't vote him even if he claimed Cop, got counterclaimed, and we lynched the counterclaimer who claimed cop.

I've been wrong on meta calls before (loving TMM) but I was hoping someone had played with Keane when he was town and not a useless shitposter. I have played many games with Keane, and this and FF2 (where he was scum) are the only ones that I've seen this posting style.

Tobbs claims to be a "meta monster" and makes references to games from months ago.

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

This is actually quite wrong.

I won a game as scum recently, and it's because people don't lynch for meta reasons. Max had me nailed as scum and ended up killing me (he was SK).

Other players like Moat knew I was scum, but they got lynched anyways.

Also I was copped as scum and got the cop lynched lol

Tobbs references a game three weeks ago where he was scum.

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

P sure MMT was scum that game.

Are you badgering MMT for not playing her scum game?

When Stickup refers to that exact same game and says that Tobbs is acting the same way, Tobbs has erased all memory of it despite referencing it earlier this game.

# ? Mar 11, 2017 18:18

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Max posted:

Hot phone post take, I'm not really sold on Tobbs as scum, mostly because I believe he would have argued for me to be the NK, not Fisk.

Right now my primary suspicion is that he's a scumteam with someone who would prefer to go after low-effort targets - you.

Ignoring the NK target choice, what's your opinion of Tobbs' posting style this game?

# ? Mar 11, 2017 18:24

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

I'm not feeling Max for scum this game. That fishiness that surrounds him is absent.

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

Max town, you town, Keane scum.

##vote CCKeane

How is Max's posting this game different from how you think he might post as scum?

# ? Mar 11, 2017 18:27

got some chores tonight: Feb 18, 2012; honk honk whats for lunch...

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

I think AA has been playing a really really bad game and saying only things that are wrong, but that doesn't mean he's scum.

I should just give in and admit that I am a meta monster.

I'm not feeling Max for scum this game. That fishiness that surrounds him is absent.

This is so painfully obviously chores' town game that I wouldn't vote him even if he claimed Cop, got counterclaimed, and we lynched the counterclaimer who claimed cop.

I've been wrong on meta calls before (loving TMM) but I was hoping someone had played with Keane when he was town and not a useless shitposter. I have played many games with Keane, and this and FF2 (where he was scum) are the only ones that I've seen this posting style.

this post is aggressively bad and pandering 2 me and a rly obvious fake meta argument

# ? Mar 11, 2017 18:28

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

##unvote
##vote Tobbs

I don't think my vote registered on VF so I'm just resending it.

# ? Mar 11, 2017 18:31

Tobbs Gnawed: Apr 4, 2007; All round mafia nice guy

Keane: "I have an important town power role."

Scum: (kills random unclaimed player who was going after Keane).

Makes you think.

# ? Mar 11, 2017 18:41

George Kansas: Sep 1, 2008; preface all my posts with this

Someone pandering to chores. Hah. Can you imagine?

I can see it, MMT. Only having one vote, for Keane, after so much time definitely seems like someone intentionally avoiding opinions, and my best conception of Tobbs town game was in, uh, I think it was Selene Pereau? Where he was all over the place with all kinds of different opinions. This definitely seems like an intentionally conservative Tobbs.

Would vote Tobbs. Stickup is still my first target, though.

# ? Mar 11, 2017 19:08

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

BottleKnight posted:

Someone pandering to chores. Hah. Can you imagine?

I can see it, MMT. Only having one vote, for Keane, after so much time definitely seems like someone intentionally avoiding opinions, and my best conception of Tobbs town game was in, uh, I think it was Selene Pereau? Where he was all over the place with all kinds of different opinions. This definitely seems like an intentionally conservative Tobbs.

Would vote Tobbs. Stickup is still my first target, though.

How is stickup (the first person to make a case on Tobbs, one that you've said you agree with) more scummy than Tobbs?

# ? Mar 11, 2017 19:42

Max: Nov 30, 2002

Still feeling Grandi

# ? Mar 11, 2017 19:52

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Max posted:

Still feeling Grandi

Murmur Twin posted:

Ignoring the NK target choice, what's your opinion of Tobbs' posting style this game?

# ? Mar 11, 2017 20:55

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

I don't understand why "pandering to chores" is a ridiculous thing?

still down for tobbs

# ? Mar 11, 2017 21:04

Grandicap: Feb 8, 2006

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

Keane: "I have an important town power role."

Scum: (kills random unclaimed player who was going after Keane).

Makes you think.

When did Keane claim that d1? I know he claimed jailed last night, which infers he has a powerrole, but I don't recall this happening d1.

# ? Mar 11, 2017 21:45

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Grandicap posted:

When did Keane claim that d1? I know he claimed jailed last night, which infers he has a powerrole, but I don't recall this happening d1.

This post:

CCKeane posted:

I'd much rather not, I got a power role.

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Tobbs Gnawed posted:

Keane: "I have an important town power role."

Scum: (kills random unclaimed player who was going after Keane).

Makes you think.

He's claiming that he was RBed or jailed so to me the most obvious explanation is that scum chose to play around a town doctor and chose instead to kill someone without many posts to analyze.

# ? Mar 11, 2017 22:11

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
PEYOTE QUEEN?

Murmur Twin posted:

How is stickup (the first person to make a case on Tobbs, one that you've said you agree with) more scummy than Tobbs?

you're great bk

# ? Mar 11, 2017 22:35

George Kansas: Sep 1, 2008; preface all my posts with this

Murmur Twin posted:

How is stickup (the first person to make a case on Tobbs, one that you've said you agree with) more scummy than Tobbs?

EccoRaven posted:

Rarity is replaced by stickup

# ? Mar 11, 2017 22:36

George Kansas: Sep 1, 2008; preface all my posts with this

If you're making the argument that they couldn't be scum together, you're probably right, MMT. But stickup is my top scum read and I will feel better about Tobbs in a world where stickup flips scum.

# ? Mar 11, 2017 22:39

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

I'm going to take a look at Grand, but today is pretty busy for me until evening.

I think Grand's end of day 1 play was unusual.

Tobbs is focusing on me a bunch to the exclusion of everything else, but I do the same if I think I've got somebody, even if I'm wrong, which happened day one. So.

BK's call on Rarity makes sense.

# ? Mar 11, 2017 22:45

CCKeane: Jan 28, 2008; my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Well stickup now, but you know how things go.

# ? Mar 11, 2017 22:46

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

CCKeane posted:

Tobbs is focusing on me a bunch to the exclusion of everything else, but I do the same if I think I've got somebody, even if I'm wrong, which happened day one. So.

BK's call on Rarity makes sense.

If it was anyone else I might agree with you but please read the links in this post:

this is a stickup posted:

apart from omgusing bk for voting me without even letting me finish reading the thread, tobbs has made exactly one call and one vote (minus a joke on chaoslord)

it's easy to push keane when keane is pushing aa, especially when you know aa's alignment. as mmt did, here and here are the examples she brought up of town tobbs throwing his vote around and making calls even early in the game.

for contrast, the game she cased him in looks just like this one, and she was right about him being scum there. I'm skeptical that town mmt in this game wouldn't bring this up again after correctly getting tobbs in that game, and later on saying she should've fought harder to get tobbs ded

I think that Tobbs is the literal top of my list of players who post differently when town and scum and I feel really confident that this is his scum game.

# ? Mar 11, 2017 22:48

Tobbs Gnawed: Apr 4, 2007; All round mafia nice guy

Murmur Twin posted:

If it was anyone else I might agree with you but please read the links in this post:

I think that Tobbs is the literal top of my list of players who post differently when town and scum and I feel really confident that this is his scum game.

Lol you're really wrong. After that stupid, stupid D1 though town is hosed so you may as well get rid of me.

I'm vanilla town (since everyone is gunning for me).

Is the case on me just meta anyways?

Neat.

# ? Mar 11, 2017 22:52

George Kansas: Sep 1, 2008; preface all my posts with this

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

Lol you're really wrong. After that stupid, stupid D1 though town is hosed so you may as well get rid of me.

I'm vanilla town (since everyone is gunning for me).

Is the case on me just meta anyways?

Neat.

nice meltdown

# ? Mar 11, 2017 22:53

George Kansas: Sep 1, 2008; preface all my posts with this

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

After that stupid, stupid D1 though town is hosed so you may as well get rid of me.

This take doesn't even make any sense to me. Like, why be so defeatist?

# ? Mar 11, 2017 22:53

Murmur Twin: Feb 11, 2003; An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

Lol you're really wrong. After that stupid, stupid D1 though town is hosed so you may as well get rid of me.

I'm vanilla town (since everyone is gunning for me).

Is the case on me just meta anyways?

Neat.

Again I ask: