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i actually got a mailer for this election so apparently i live here and could actually vote! can someone cut to the chase and tell me if the democrats running are neoliberal fuckheads or if they are amenable to supporting a platform like single payer or universal college education
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then i hope this dude loses by literally 1 vote so i can gloat about not voting
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Apr 12, 2017 16:56
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after their miserable performance in 2009-2010 i dont think lovely dems deserve the 20 minutes of effort it would take for me to vote sorry bros it would make trump mad and at least he's not a republican isn't good enough
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Apr 13, 2017 06:08
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i want corporate dems to continue to lose dems retaking congress and repeating 2009-2010 and then cyclically handing it all back to the republicans again isn't what i want
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Apr 13, 2017 06:19
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Azathoth posted:so...you want republicans to control congress until the rich suburbs magically embrace socialism? i get that you don't like the ideologically impure democrats, but in what possible way does electing republicans help? republican lite isn't an effective platform
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Apr 13, 2017 07:07
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ah yes why would i complain about the democratic party being lovely which literally sends fundraising messages still with donna brazille named on it
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Apr 14, 2017 07:05
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Concerned Citizen posted:ossoff will miss the runoff by exactly 1 vote, which he could have cast had he lived in ga-06
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Apr 19, 2017 10:54
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Elephanthead posted:Vikes that high turnout was a killer. People really do worship Trump. He is orange Jesus to them. 
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Apr 19, 2017 11:05
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Agean90 posted:the fact that the democrats are putting ANY effort into a southern state should be endlessly praised so they keep loving doing it. You think the turnout last night was a good showing? Now imagine how it would have been if the democrats had been pushing in that region over the course of the last decade.
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Apr 20, 2017 00:09
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also please dont attribute a democratic shift to anything clinton did. that is much more attributable to significant demographic shifts due to more tech jobs in the area
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Apr 20, 2017 00:11
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get that OUT of my face posted:ossoff doesn't strike me as a smoothbrain neolib, or at least not as extreme of one as some of the complete fuckers that they've thrown to the fire. he's no james thompson though as far as I can tell his campaign is copy pasted w/ a bit more "I'm going to bring down wasteful government spending" thrown in for good measure
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Apr 21, 2017 11:41
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people want to shame me to vote for him while providing me zero reason to vote for him except that his opponent is a republican
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Apr 21, 2017 11:45
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x-posting
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Apr 21, 2017 12:09
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i am speculating that the democratic party machine has told candidates receiving tons of funding support on how to respond in the negative to constituents asking where they stand on a medicare-for-all-like bill at this point i'd probably vote for any candidate that at least says they support a medicare-for-all-like bill even if theyre secretly crossing their fingers behind their back. they could even have an R next to their name!
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Apr 21, 2017 13:10
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they already lost in the non-special election with the same strategy theyre trying w/ ossuf when the stakes were as high as they could possibly be
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Apr 21, 2017 22:43
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hell just say "yes i fully support a medicare-for-all-like system and will vote in support of any such bill proposed in congress, but i will focus on my efforts on patching obamacare b/c that's more realistic" would make me vote for him he can't even say that b/c his donors dont want him to him outright rejecting such a proposal makes me even further entrenched against voting for him
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Apr 21, 2017 23:12
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Azathoth posted:Haha. Trump won his district by 14 points and he won reelection. This district really is that red. you have to campaign on something people want to vote for. otherwise you'll have the orange clown man lie through his teeth that he'll economically help them and beat you. campaigning on "the other guy is bad!" is a loser's strategy. look at how little control of government the democrats have throughout the entire country and how terribly this strategy backfired in the last general election.
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Apr 22, 2017 11:34
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theflyingexecutive posted:how about get dems in office and have them whipped into submission by leadership and the realities of politics? dude's never been elected, he can talk big game about specific legislation while he has the national spotlight, but send him to a few town halls to get screamed at and then to party meeting where he can be screamed at more and he'll whistle a different tune
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Apr 22, 2017 11:37
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also getting "whipped into submission by leadership and the realities of politics" means being told to follow what the donor class wants and to sell meaningless platitudes to the constituents. it doesn't mean being sold a bold progressive vision from the national party leadership or listening to what your constituents want. electing these assholes and getting them a majority again will just result in a repeat of the disastrous 09-10 democratic supermajority congress. I'm scared to think of the next neoliberal democratic president being finally successful in implementing the Grand Bargain to cut social security and medicare. Third Time's the Charm!
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Apr 22, 2017 11:42
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ah yes being whipped by leadership to support a rightwing healthcare bill that was written by the heritage foundation and pharma and healthcare companies obama used the bully pulpit to go to kucinich's district to shame him for holding out for a public option instead of using the bully pulpit to shame the politicians against the public option I am glad you provided a great example for why we should not continue to elect neoliberal shitheads to government
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Apr 22, 2017 12:04
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also "listening to your constituents" should not be included in the phrase "Realities of politics" these politicians (especially the neoliberal shitheads) listen to the donor class https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...4D4893B382B992B
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Apr 22, 2017 12:10
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Azathoth posted:Obama did win the district by 4 points in 2008 and 2 points in 2012, but Walz won reelection by 30 points and 15 points respectively.
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Apr 22, 2017 15:55
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also keep in mind the thing we are arguing about is whether or not ossuf and like-minded dems should throw a non-commital bone to progressives. they don't even have to push for it. when asked about single payer, they can simply say they support it but don't think it's realistic and say they will focus their efforts on improving obamacare or putting in a public option or something like that. they won't even throw progressives a bone. this will gain them votes overall. republican ads will portray them as supporting gay luxury space communism healthcare no matter what they do or say. the main disadvantage for ossuf saying he supports a medicare-for-all-like is scaring away wealthy donors.
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Apr 22, 2017 16:09
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G-Hawk posted:Ossoff's single payer answer is because he (almost certainly correctly) believes the voters in the district he is trying to represent do not want single payer.
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Apr 22, 2017 20:44
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hillary 2016 lost by 1.5 points in the district ossof 2017 lost by 4 points they did loving worse 8 months after trump got elected centrist dems are a more toxic brand than loving trump
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