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Doorknob Slobber
Sep 10, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

GlyphGryph posted:

Counterpoint: Venezuela, circa 2017

Counterpoint: Chavez dead, circa 2013

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Doorknob Slobber
Sep 10, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

GlyphGryph posted:

Counterpoint:
The rapid (and accelerating) deterioration of the country started prior to 2013 and his death.
Actions can, in fact, have long term consequences (and usually do).
The current government is still basically the one he built.

Being dead is a pretty lovely excuse for destroying a country, and in fact is pretty good evidence for your being absolute poo poo if you left a country so weak that your death turns it into this so quickly.

Part of the reason the country has been spiraling out of control is because of opposition forces(rich nationals, foreign corporations and the US) working directly against socialism. I feel like this is important to recognize because those same forces that destabilized the Bolivarian Revolution will probably attempt to destabilize any push for socialism in the US or elsewhere by similar methods.

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