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Mar 10, 2017 19:38
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if you pay attention the only people who are whole hog on the retarded russia bullshit are defeated hillarymen who want some kind of explanation as to how their invincible goddess hillary clinton was defeated by a braindead rapist
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babypolis posted:if you pay attention the only people who are whole hog on the retarded russia bullshit are defeated hillarymen who want some kind of explanation as to how their invincible goddess hillary clinton was defeated by a braindead rapist drat those Russians and their mind control powers! If only they hadn't forced the DNC to write many bad emails to each other, and then forced Hillary to ignore policy positions in favor of continuously attacking Trump while avoiding putting in campaign appearances in crucial states! Those Russian hackers fed bad data into the Clinton Super Computer that told her to do dumb things! Its not her fault if she actually did the dumb things!
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Mar 10, 2017 20:02
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Hey wouldn't it be crazy to acknowledge that Hillary Clinton ran a horrible campaign AND be deeply disturbed by Russia's obvious tampering in the election and labyrinth connections with the Trump administration? Too bad that these are completely contradictory views that are impossible to hold simultaneously!
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Mar 10, 2017 20:15
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This is all a distraction from the real issue, Pizzagate
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:Hey wouldn't it be crazy to acknowledge that Hillary Clinton ran a horrible campaign AND be deeply disturbed by Russia's obvious tampering in the election and labyrinth connections with the Trump administration? Too bad that these are completely contradictory views that are impossible to hold simultaneously! Oh yeah, its bad that Trump and Russia are closely connected as an ongoing issue, but I still don't understand how Russia tampered with the election or what impact that tampering supposedly had. They didn't, as far as anyone can show, fabricate any evidence. Hand wringing about Russia hacking the election always feels like looking for any excuse except Hillary was real bad.
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Mar 10, 2017 20:19
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Not a Step posted:drat those Russians and their mind control powers! If only they hadn't forced the DNC to write many bad emails to each other, and then forced Hillary to ignore policy positions in favor of continuously attacking Trump while avoiding putting in campaign appearances in crucial states! Those Russian hackers fed bad data into the Clinton Super Computer that told her to do dumb things! Its not her fault if she actually did the dumb things! They hacked the GOP and released zero emails now tell us about how its because the Republican party is just that much cleaner and well run and they couldn't find any dirt on Trump
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Mar 10, 2017 20:39
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Fojar38 posted:They hacked the GOP and released zero emails now tell us about how its because the Republican party is just that much cleaner and well run and they couldn't find any dirt on Trump I mean, its not like the rep primary held any mud back
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Fojar38 posted:They hacked the GOP and released zero emails now tell us about how its because the Republican party is just that much cleaner and well run and they couldn't find any dirt on Trump Oh no, more bad news about Trump and how Trump is bad. That would have sunk him for sure. And obviously Russia had a favorite candidate in the race. But again, how did Russia actually influence the election? They didn't hack the voting machines, they didn't assassinate anyone (RIP Vince Foster), they didn't feed anyone false information. At worst they revealed how poo poo the DNC was, something most people already suspected. Is the argument that the DNC never expected people to find out how bad they were? E: Yeah, its troubling a foreign power involved itself in a sovereign nation's election and is wasn't the US doing it to someone else for once. But how did Russia actually influence the election? The CIA would have tried something more direct like assassination or putting a dead hooker in the bedroom. Russia, uh, leaked some internal documents? Maybe don't have lovely internal documents? Nix Panicus has issued a correction as of 20:52 on Mar 10, 2017 |
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Mar 10, 2017 20:48
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Not a Step posted:they didn't feed anyone false information lmao
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Mar 10, 2017 20:56
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like, what exactly were they supposed to find that the CIA and a billionaire-backed party with the support of silicon valley didnt find we can locate a mexican starlet he called fat more than a decade ago but the Secret Bad Republican Files, only putin himself could hack those. I bet they keep their norton up to date!
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Fojar38 posted:lmao Such as?
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dnc actually got hacked when they opened a file named Trumpsmurderedchildprostitutes.txt.exe
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Neurolimal posted:dnc actually got hacked when they opened a file named Trumpsmurderedchildprostitutes.txt.exe When John Podesta clicked on an email link that asked him to verify his password
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Mar 10, 2017 21:08
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Not a Step posted:Oh no, more bad news about Trump and how Trump is bad. That would have sunk him for sure. And obviously Russia had a favorite candidate in the race. they made the words "Clinton" and "Email" appear on the news cycle in close proxmity to each other and hence tanks Hillary's poll # I mean I think you could probably play a random news story about Clinton and then immediately play a non-political ad about emails and her polls would still tank
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Mar 10, 2017 21:09
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Isn't it great having no idea what information is actually trustworthy anymore - much better than just believing whatever is on TV
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Not a Step posted:Oh yeah, its bad that Trump and Russia are closely connected as an ongoing issue, but I still don't understand how Russia tampered with the election or what impact that tampering supposedly had. They didn't, as far as anyone can show, fabricate any evidence. Hand wringing about Russia hacking the election always feels like looking for any excuse except Hillary was real bad. they were pretty obviously trying to intervene in the election they obviously didn't swing the result of the election and they probably didn't actually expect Trump to win that doesn't change the fact that russian involvement is bad yes, the emails were real. no, that doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned about the anonymous Russian-speaking hacker group publicly releasing incriminating information from one political party for free during an election while sending consultants to the other party to work for free. i'm sure it was just motivated by deep concern for the us political system, nothing more the only people who are saying that the russians were singlehandedly responsible (or even primarily responsible) for hillary's loss are the people who were actually on hillary's payroll.
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:Hey wouldn't it be crazy to acknowledge that Hillary Clinton ran a horrible campaign AND be deeply disturbed by Russia's obvious tampering in the election and labyrinth connections with the Trump administration? Too bad that these are completely contradictory views that are impossible to hold simultaneously! the russia poo poo is a dumb red herring because it doesnt lead anywhere useful. trump wont be impeached over it and even if it was possible trump is so incompetent the alternative of a pence presidency seems even worse. so far the only thing the russia stuff is accomplishing is giving bad dems an excuse for their horrible failure in the past election
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babypolis posted:the russia poo poo is a dumb red herring because it doesnt lead anywhere useful. trump wont be impeached over it and even if it was possible trump is so incompetent the alternative of a pence presidency seems even worse. so far the only thing the russia stuff is accomplishing is giving bad dems an excuse for their horrible failure in the past election otoh it keeps congress busy and makes trump really mad
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babypolis posted:the russia poo poo is a dumb red herring because it doesnt lead anywhere useful. trump wont be impeached over it and even if it was possible trump is so incompetent the alternative of a pence presidency seems even worse. so far the only thing the russia stuff is accomplishing is giving bad dems an excuse for their horrible failure in the past election it's as dumb as republicans constantly pushing the theory that obama is running the shadow government... which they would be doing regardless only russia being massively connected to trump is actually true  https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/840306752927199234
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Again, yes, its real bad that a foreign power interfered in an election, although also very ironic that it finally happened to the US. But that interference didn't seem to have any impact and lots of people seem to want to blame the Trump Presidency on the Russians instead of Hillary Clinton being a sentient pile of festering poo poo. Except the Russians didn't really do anything of note. I mean yeah, they were there and thats bad, but everything was already going to hell without them. Also lol at complaining that those dastardly Russians released incriminating information about the DNC. Poor DNC. That incriminating information should have never seen the light of day! Thats *certainly* the issue we should be concerned about here!
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Mar 10, 2017 22:15
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Thug Lessons posted:Who gives a poo poo Regular people who would like Wikileaks a little more if it didn't appear to have the Kremlin's hand up its rear end?
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Mar 10, 2017 23:18
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sexpot posted:Regular people who would like Wikileaks a little more if it didn't appear to have the Kremlin's hand up its rear end? Why should anyone care if you like Wikileaks or not? I can't think of a single material thing that depends on whether you or I like Wikileaks.
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Thug Lessons posted:Why should anyone care if you like Wikileaks or not? Nobody said you had to be a normal person without glaring personality defects, Beavis
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Mar 10, 2017 23:48
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Didn't the government's 27 page paper on the russian hacking not even talk about it but just get pissy about Assange being interviewed on RT for like 15 pages (yes)
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literally no hard evidence and basically no conjecture. Nothing circumstantial. Guccifer 2.0 may or may not be a Romanian who can read Cyrillic. Ergo Putin because only russians read cyrillic nvm like 4,000,000 romanians read cyrllic lmao
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Thug Lessons posted:Why should anyone care if you like Wikileaks or not? I can't think of a single material thing that depends on whether you or I like Wikileaks. it's not about liking, it's about trusting when wikileaks stops being putins sock puppet i might actually trust anything they post until then they're no worse than the cia/fsb
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We already know that several high ranking Trump officials have met Russian officials, and then lied about it in testimony. To argue that the Russian hacks of the DNC are false flags is basically clutching straws. It's Russia, it's always been Russia, and you're a moron if you're not seeing the similarities to what Putin has done pretty much exactly the same thing to other countries (i.e. in europe - he loving tried to assassinate the prime minister of montenegro, you don't think that says something?). Assange is the the pocket of Russia, and Wikileaks is being used by Russian intelligence to meet Russian foreign policy goals. Like I'm disgusted by the way seemingly intelligent people are ignoring the evidence in front of them, because the idea that CIA is actually in the right on something is personally confronting to them. They are actually correct here, even if they're still the CIA that waterboarded and all the rest of it.
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rudatron posted:We already know that several high ranking Trump officials have met Russian officials, and then lied about it in testimony. Hey smart guy, how can Russia be bad if Russia doesn't even HAVE a cia
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babypolis posted:the russia poo poo is a dumb red herring because it doesnt lead anywhere useful. trump wont be impeached over it and even if it was possible trump is so incompetent the alternative of a pence presidency seems even worse. so far the only thing the russia stuff is accomplishing is giving bad dems an excuse for their horrible failure in the past election on the other hand, Mike Flynn the Russia stuff is basically the first thing that's mattered even a tiny bit. it's not gonna take down the Trump presidency, but nothing will. if the Dems want to pass their time with that for a few months while they put together an organization and strategy to throw under the bus in 2018, who cares Not a Step posted:Again, yes, its real bad that a foreign power interfered in an election, although also very ironic that it finally happened to the US. But that interference didn't seem to have any impact and lots of people seem to want to blame the Trump Presidency on the Russians instead of Hillary Clinton being a sentient pile of festering poo poo. who are these "lots of people"? the only people I've seen pushing that angle are high-level Hillary staff and Twitter idiots wearing #ImWithHer t-shirts. but I repeat myself
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The only way Assange can redeem himself is if he really did die last year and now is a CGI puppet for whomever
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Not a Step posted:drat those Russians and their mind control powers! If only they hadn't forced the DNC to write many bad emails to each other, and then forced Hillary to ignore policy positions in favor of continuously attacking Trump while avoiding putting in campaign appearances in crucial states! Those Russian hackers fed bad data into the Clinton Super Computer that told her to do dumb things! Its not her fault if she actually did the dumb things!
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just a reminder that the full scope of the hacking accusations isn't about compromising any election voting machines or anything like that. it's leaking 1 month worth of emails from the DNC and whatever was in podesta's email account using a technique any phisher could do. the democratic emails incriminate themselves because they are a lovely and terrible organization. this russian hysteria is hilarious in this context
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Mar 11, 2017 14:38
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Also creating thousands upon thousands of fake online accounts to promote fake news stories, boost fake groups like "Muslims for Trump", and hijack the realities of people using social media
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But because Hillary Clinton was bad I guess we shouldn't worry about that
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first of all that isn't even hacking or even illegal AFAIK. it's like barely nefarious second of all is there any proof to these allegations of spreading "fake news" from russia. third of all even if that's been happening, that is a tiny baby's game compared to the media manipulation that the CIA is known to have done to influence foreign and domestic affairs. they've literally put prominent media figures on their payroll and create entire fake news organizations to push propaganda. lol fourth of all, any influence any of this may have had on the election is infinitesimal compared to the hillary campaign and dnc blunders
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Mar 11, 2017 14:44
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creating some fake social media accounts is like tiny man's game compared to ad-buying in domestic media markets lol
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LOL uh folks we can hate the Dems' antics and the Russians' antics at the same time, it's like a lot of you believe hating one totally absolves the other or some weird poo poo
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