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Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

zegermans posted:

Yeah the Energia owned and if they could have built a heavy lift rocket with the same reliability as Soyuz then space stuff would be a lot better than it is now.

NASA kinda sucks at making things not named Saturn.

Yeah, but when it came to making things named Saturn, you really have to admit they knocked it out of the park.

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Ansar Santa
Jul 12, 2012

To be fair, NASA is really good at putting things on Mars.

But the Buran would have been able to put Orbital Drop Spetsnaz onto any airport on Earth within an hour.

Edit: I'm also a fan of the N1 because I like ambitious failures that explode all the time. It was super cool and had 30 engines because the Rooskies couldn't cast an engine big enough at the time to only have 4 like the Saturn.

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Sidakafitz posted:

To be fair, NASA is really good at putting things on Mars.

lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter

Ansar Santa
Jul 12, 2012

Yeah, but they also landed a nuclear powered car on mars that descended from cables attached to a rocket which gently set it down and then flew away. That makes up for pretty much anything.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

zegermans posted:

Yeah the Energia owned and if they could have built a heavy lift rocket with the same reliability as Soyuz then space stuff would be a lot better than it is now.

NASA kinda sucks at making things not named Saturn.

Energia is literally the only good thing to come out of either shuttle program

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
hurrr lets build a space plane with no escape capability I'm sure this will never be an issue

*loses two crews*

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=42248

The Columbia was dedicated to the people of Afghanistan in late March 1982

Hale Bopp was at its brightest in late March 1997

The Columbia was lost with the first Israeli Astronaut in February 2003 - an Act of God

America invaded Iraq in late March 2003

God is greatest.

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Raskolnikov38 posted:

hurrr lets build a space plane with no escape capability I'm sure this will never be an issue

*loses two crews*

Turns out the Soviet idea of staying in the 50s actually worked for most rockets.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Sic Semper Goon posted:

Economic collapse, massive despotism and brutal repression.

Still the darling of uni students who have never personally experienced any of those things.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

*founds empire on idea of continual, radical social change*

*spends last 30 years ruled by old men terrified of change*

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Fallen Hamprince posted:

*founds empire on idea of continual, radical social change*

*spends last 30 years ruled by old men terrified of change*

to be fair in those last 30 years they couldn't stop dying

The Brown Menace
Dec 24, 2010

Now comes in all colors.


Fallen Hamprince posted:

*founds empire on idea of continual, radical social change*

*spends last 30 years ruled by old men terrified of change*

But enough about boomers

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Neurolimal posted:

communism has a lot in common with the american civil war wrt opinions

People who know nothing of communism think its bad (because cold war scares and russia today), people who know a little think its cool (because socialism owns and the system separated from Stalin is good as hell) and people who know a lot about it think its bad (because its just as if not more vulnerable to dictators taking over and making GBS threads on the system as capitalism)

Tbh the only reason russian communism started out so dece was because lenin had a huge martyr complex and dreamed of amassing power to perfect the system & complete the revolution, and then impeaching himself & the position

Same for cuba, they lucked out and got a benevolent dictator that was actually benevolent

lmao this is like the brain meme accept even dumber

Edit: I have distilling the argument into a meme so millienial brocialists can understand

Dreddout has issued a correction as of 02:20 on Mar 13, 2017

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Dreddout posted:

lmao this is like the brain meme accept even dumber

Edit: I have distilling the argument into a meme so millienial brocialists can understand



im very owned now

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

capitalism was worse for Russia and the Eurasian republics than the USSR

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

communism isnt socialism

communism is poo poo

it's just fascism that pretends to care about poor people but still makes no effort to elevate them

Ansar Santa
Jul 12, 2012

Yinlock posted:

communism isnt socialism

communism is poo poo

it's just fascism that pretends to care about poor people but still makes no effort to elevate them

No, not really any of those things.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Yinlock posted:

communism isnt socialism

communism is poo poo

it's just fascism that pretends to care about poor people but still makes no effort to elevate them

say what you will about the ills of state socialism, but literally everything about this is wrong lmao

Ansar Santa
Jul 12, 2012

Socialism is where people get free Ikea furniture

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Yinlock posted:

communism isnt socialism

communism is poo poo

it's just fascism that pretends to care about poor people but still makes no effort to elevate them

I can't even tell if you think you know what your talking about it not.

Do you need another brain meme?

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Dreddout posted:

I can't even tell if you think you know what your talking about it not.

Do you need another brain meme?

oh no dreddout's firing up mspaint brace for ownage guys

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
both Communist Russia and Fascist Germany were totalitarian, surveillance, police states with severe cults of personality but that does not mean fascism = communism.

there are nuances to dictatorships people.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Fallen Hamprince posted:

oh no dreddout's firing up mspaint brace for ownage guys


JFairfax posted:

both Communist Russia and Fascist Germany were totalitarian, surveillance, police states with severe cults of personality but that does not mean fascism = communism.

there are nuances to dictatorships people.

There are also nuances to ideologies

I don't think Stalin and MLK had much in common, but they were both socialists...

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Dreddout posted:




There are also nuances to ideologies

I don't think Stalin and MLK had much in common, but they were both socialists...

yeah i'm sure that baptist minister was super fond of leninism dude

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Neurolimal posted:

Did anything ever come out of that historian who found that a lot of sourced soviet deaths had no actual source/connection to who died, and possibly was just guesstimates from western powers during the cold war

(im not saying stalin didnt kill a shitload of innocent people, for the record)

If you mean grover furr or whoever his claims have been roundly debunked and when someone posted a thread about it in D&D he got laughed out of the forum

Kathleen
Feb 26, 2013

Grimey Drawer
stalin was a butt.

lenin was very good.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Sun Wu Kampf posted:

If you mean grover furr or whoever his claims have been roundly debunked and when someone posted a thread about it in D&D he got laughed out of the forum

getting laughed at by the imperious smoothbrains of d&d is, if anything, proof you're doing something right

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

R. Guyovich posted:

getting laughed at by the imperious smoothbrains of d&d is, if anything, proof you're doing something right

weren't you the guy who posted the grover furr thread

or was that math debater

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

it was swampman

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

Obama, Bush, and Trump are the same because they are all capitalists.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

NNick posted:

Obama, Bush, and Trump are the same because they are all capitalists.

Yup - all different guises of the lying bastard global imperialist dollar

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

NNick posted:

Obama, Bush, and Trump are the same because they are all capitalists.

I mean yeah theres some subtleties there, but, uh, you aren't wrong

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

R. Guyovich posted:

getting laughed at by the imperious smoothbrains of d&d is, if anything, proof you're doing something right

Furr is a living, breathing cautionary tale about the dangers of Dunning-Kruger effect (and possibly lead poisoning, given his choice of unhinged subtitles), though.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

d&d sucks and so does furr, who thinks that stalin was completely ignorant of every atrocity around him

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
furr falls through the earth and into kiev catacombs. taking a torch from the wall he spies row upon row of skeletons. grasping the nearest by the shoulders, he shakes it madly, yelling "my nigga have u tried following the law of spikelets"

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Inverted Offensive Battle: Acupuncture Attacks Convert To 3D Penetration Tactics Taking Advantage of Deep Battle Opportunities

I'll give you Stalinist architecture, at least. That poo poo's pretty, particularly when it's surrounded Khrushchev's godawful monstrosities.

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

Yinlock posted:

communism isnt socialism

communism is poo poo

it's just fascism that pretends to care about poor people but still makes no effort to elevate them

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jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

lol

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