Sagebrush posted:

i think it was in an old let's play or front page review of fallout: new vegas, can't find it, but i always remember a screenshot just like this along with a like like "behold the vast NCR sharecropper farms, pride of the new california republic, supplying fresh food to the entire mojave desert"



wtg bethesda

Sagebrush posted:

i think it was in an old let's play or front page review of fallout: new vegas, can't find it, but i always remember a screenshot just like this along with a like like "behold the vast NCR sharecropper farms, pride of the new california republic, supplying fresh food to the entire mojave desert"



wtg bethesda

`Nemesis posted:

wait are you all really this surprised a made up video game isn't actually a sim game

Sagebrush posted:

i just think that two hundred goddamn years after the apocalypse you'd have a society that is much more "colonial america" than "beyond thunderdome"

Sagebrush posted:

i just think that two hundred goddamn years after the apocalypse you'd have a society that is much more "colonial america" than "beyond thunderdome"

Sagebrush posted:

i just think that two hundred goddamn years after the apocalypse you'd have a society that is much more "colonial america" than "beyond thunderdome"

Byzantine posted:

Yeah, but people hated Preston Garvey.

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Stexils posted:

this is possibly the lowest bar ever

the vast majority of zombie stories are written by people who seem to just kind of hate humanity in general. like they think that the instant central authority collapses everyone will turn into a petty little self centered rear end in a top hat. even within the ultimate libertarian fantasy libertarian societies immediately fall apart

Ms Adequate posted:

Some of my fave zombie novels are by Sarah Lyons Fleming and are pretty much romance novels in the zombie apocalypse, which sounds like microwaved dogshit but works extremely well because she can write good characters and whether by accident or design the zombies are often a background danger that cause occasional but serious problems to throw wrenches in things. Where there are human antagonists they tend to be individuals who are good at manipulation, and there are way more decent people who prosper thanks to their decency than assholes or people who get hosed over because they were nice or whatever.

Humphreys posted:

Duck around and find out

Dale-Taco posted:

How extremely boring.

90s Cringe Rock posted:

just lol if you don't carefully pose yourself to provide environmental storytelling in the event of your sudden death

Whybird posted:

Are you kidding, I would play the gently caress out of leading a squad of terrified musketmen out of our pastoral homeland that avoided a direct hit and into an irradiated cityscape filled with killer robots that have so far kept out looters to try and find advanced futuristic technology.

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Memento posted:

no GOLF RUMORS - USE EXTREME CAUTION, 7/10 at best

Ms Adequate posted:

Some of my fave zombie novels are by Sarah Lyons Fleming and are pretty much romance novels in the zombie apocalypse, which sounds like microwaved dogshit but works extremely well because she can write good characters and whether by accident or design the zombies are often a background danger that cause occasional but serious problems to throw wrenches in things. Where there are human antagonists they tend to be individuals who are good at manipulation, and there are way more decent people who prosper thanks to their decency than assholes or people who get hosed over because they were nice or whatever.

hazardousmouse posted:

Nah, you're very right in your assessment. Unless someone reinvents zombies as a more sentient, adapting menace, they very much turn into a background force of nature type threat and the best stories treat them as such. So the best zombie stories tend to be human relationship stories that occasionally have to deal with the occasional flood of meat that kills people and wrecks poo poo.

vyelkin posted:

Any zombie story that doesn't account for the fact that weather and seasonal climatic variation would mean zombies would cease to be a threat at all after like a month to a year (depending where you live and what time of year the apocalypse hits) is a bad zombie story imo.

If you live anywhere with cold winters, for example, you just wait until winter, the zombies all freeze, and in spring they thaw out but their muscles don't work anymore and so they can no longer move.

No matter how your zombie virus (or whatever) works, it depends on the human body it's infected still working: having muscles that still contract, having bones and ligaments and tendons that connect to each other so it can move its arms and legs, and so on. Even if you imagine a super hardy zombie virus that lives forever in the brain unless destroyed, it's irrelevant as long as it's connected to a human body that still suffers damage from heat, cold, etc., which will gladly damage and destroy the parts of the human body that make a zombie theoretically dangerous. As humans, we've used our high degree of intelligence to figure out ways to preserve our bodies even in extreme climates, like wearing warm clothing, starting fires, and so on, but the nature of a mindless zombie is that they won't do any of that and so they would suffer from the effects of frostbite and other afflictions of climate and weather to a degree that a regular human being usually wouldn't. Basically the only explanation for zombies that can avoid this challenge is the "gently caress it, it's magic that literally reanimates the dead and doesn't care about muscles" kind, and in that case congratulations, you've been automatically drafted into the skeleton war.

Splicer posted:

Should be a corkscrew

vyelkin posted:

Any zombie story that doesn't account for the fact that weather and seasonal climatic variation would mean zombies would cease to be a threat at all after like a month to a year (depending where you live and what time of year the apocalypse hits) is a bad zombie story imo.

If you live anywhere with cold winters, for example, you just wait until winter, the zombies all freeze, and in spring they thaw out but their muscles don't work anymore and so they can no longer move.

No matter how your zombie virus (or whatever) works, it depends on the human body it's infected still working: having muscles that still contract, having bones and ligaments and tendons that connect to each other so it can move its arms and legs, and so on. Even if you imagine a super hardy zombie virus that lives forever in the brain unless destroyed, it's irrelevant as long as it's connected to a human body that still suffers damage from heat, cold, etc., which will gladly damage and destroy the parts of the human body that make a zombie theoretically dangerous. As humans, we've used our high degree of intelligence to figure out ways to preserve our bodies even in extreme climates, like wearing warm clothing, starting fires, and so on, but the nature of a mindless zombie is that they won't do any of that and so they would suffer from the effects of frostbite and other afflictions of climate and weather to a degree that a regular human being usually wouldn't. Basically the only explanation for zombies that can avoid this challenge is the "gently caress it, it's magic that literally reanimates the dead and doesn't care about muscles" kind, and in that case congratulations, you've been automatically drafted into the skeleton war.

Mindless posted:

Look you either sign up for the skeleton army now and become an officer of be drafted later and become a flute or something.

Daktar posted:

Yeah, the only way you can really do a 'hard' science zombie story is if the virus or whatever mutates humans into something with a very slow metabolism, anaerobic respiration, cells resistant to heat and cold etcetera, that just looks like an animated dead body. Anything else is magic.