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Podima posted:I think he's saying remove the miller altogether Yeah, caught that after I posted it.
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Lumpen posted:You may be right. Ok, after reading it properly I still like it. I'm a tiny bit worried about the math for town with well playing scum since we are removing a potential confirmed BP town and also granting scum a chance at cuddle proof. The below from my original post still applies: The more I think about it, the more I like it. I like that it gives the scum some serious riskVreward action to consider with their actions. The extra VB helps make the power/non power D1 soft claim much less valuable to push for, which gives the scum/sk a little bit of extra breathing room early on. Given the potential for cuddleproof on scum, there is extra wifomy stuff inserted into solving the game that makes the whole thing more questionable even if you think you have it figured out. I just think someone needs to math out the possible game states.
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Mar 24, 2017 22:52
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or just run one and see what happens!
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Mar 24, 2017 22:52
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this is a stickup posted:or just run one and see what happens! Sure, I would totally play in it to test it out.
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Mar 24, 2017 22:55
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King Burgundy posted:Sure, I would totally play in it to test it out. Me too, and I would even post more! This game just happened to be open at the worst time for me after D1
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Mar 24, 2017 22:59
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:I remember that. this is a stickup posted:I was v. glad you showed up when you did was that game over thanksgiving or christmas whatever it was i legitimately did not have 4g signal
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Mar 24, 2017 23:05
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Lumpen posted:You may be right. i think this changes the lylo math in a really annoying way
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Mar 24, 2017 23:06
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got some chores tonight posted:i think this changes the lylo math in a really annoying way Please elaborate!
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Mar 24, 2017 23:06
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Ok, I wish to make it official, someone update the wiki. delete the Miller change the number of Versatile Backups to 7 edit: Scum BP Godfather (Appears Town if investigated and has a 1-shot Bulletproof (notified when expended). On nights when the Godfather attempts the Scum nightkill, they are NOT BP and appear to be Scum if investigated. If the kill succeeds the Godfather is Lynchproof the next day.) add to the errata/FAQ: Note: If the SK and the Godfather attack the same target, the SK kill completes first, and the Godfather recieves the result "Your action failed." and does not gain Lynchproof for the day.
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Mar 24, 2017 23:09
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Podima posted:Please elaborate! theres a chance you just lose in lylo by trying to lynch a secretly lynchproof scum so you cant ever get to lylo making the game a lot more dire for town right off the bat
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Mar 24, 2017 23:15
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For the latter, I'll just make it crystal clear that the SK kill resolves first (which was already implied). But will get that updated today/tomorrow.
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Mar 24, 2017 23:14
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if godfather and rber are both alive i dont think town can win
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Mar 24, 2017 23:18
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jailer is the only person who can prevent godfather from becoming immortal (assuming sk has been dealt with) and he can only do it every other night
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Mar 24, 2017 23:20
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yeah it doesnt actually work i dont think
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Mar 24, 2017 23:20
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Did we ever get confirmation if pod hosed up as a mod? I need closure
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Mar 24, 2017 23:23
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Moatillata posted:Did we ever get confirmation if pod hosed up as a mod? I need closure you must first achieve hardness
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Mar 24, 2017 23:24
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he did
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Mar 24, 2017 23:25
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this is a stickup posted:you must first achieve hardness Keep talking sticky im almost there
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Mar 24, 2017 23:26
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i think changing the miller to a vb and the scum trying to play towny at all (instead of aggressively lurking) would be a good start for nailbiter 3.0
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Mar 24, 2017 23:28
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got some chores tonight posted:jailer is the only person who can prevent godfather from becoming immortal (assuming sk has been dealt with) and he can only do it every other night This is actually valid. If the SK and jailer are dead, Godfather can become immortal. This is an easy fix though. Make it a once per game thing like the BP.
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Mar 24, 2017 23:33
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Also, I want to mention again that this setup is super sensitive to lurking and always running it with lurker rules is imperative. I think Pod's normal rules with the included On Notice period need to be modified for a game that is supposed to end by D4ish. Remove the on notice and it will work great in this setup.
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Mar 24, 2017 23:34
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got some chores tonight posted:jailer is the only person who can prevent godfather from becoming immortal (assuming sk has been dealt with) and he can only do it every other night The SK, Doc, and Jailer can all potentially prevent the Godfather from becoming Lynchproof by targeting his target. and If the SK is dead, and the Town has lost both the Doc, Backup Doc, Jailer, and Backup Jailer, then yes, the Godfather can't be lynched. But that would require a "perfect storm" of fuckups and that Town would have earned the loss fair and square.
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Mar 24, 2017 23:52
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its actually bad
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Mar 24, 2017 23:54
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pls listen to me and not lumpen who is very dumb compared to meeven if its his setup as evidenced by this game
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Mar 24, 2017 23:56
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Lumpen posted:If a lynch ever fails, the Godfather is caught Scum, and has just bought his team a 1-day No-Lynch in exchange for his life. The SK can kill him that night. He can be Jailed. While this is true I don't see the harm in limiting the cuddle proof to activating once. If cuddle proof is ever actually utilized the power is lost. No reason to leave an infinite loop in place.
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Mar 25, 2017 00:00
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That still lets them try for it multiple times if they want but if it's ever activated they can be cuddled the next day no matter what.
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Mar 25, 2017 00:01
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pls dont "balance" this setup by giving scum a avenue to win that involves town lynching someone they figure out is scum (using either their noodles or with a cop investigation) and then losing because that scum was the lynchproof one
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Mar 25, 2017 00:02
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and its not like thats an unfortunate side effect thats the only way being lynchproof changes stuff its probably very suboptimal to have anyone else do the kill other than the godfather
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Mar 25, 2017 00:06
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if you really need to increase scum power level, give scum a 1x janitor
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Mar 25, 2017 00:09
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got some chores tonight posted:pls dont "balance" this setup by giving scum a avenue to win that involves town lynching someone they figure out is scum (using either their noodles or with a cop investigation) and then losing because that scum was the lynchproof one KB, I think making it 1-Shot adds a little extra wording and thus makes the setup a bit less elegant, and I doubt it would ever make a difference anyway. I'm not sure how to word it to make it clear. maybe: Scum BP Godfather (Appears Town if investigated and has a 1-shot Bulletproof (notified when expended). On nights when the Godfather attempts the Scum nightkill, they are NOT BP and appear to be Scum if investigated. If the kill succeeds and the Godfather has not been previously lynched, the Godfather is Lynchproof the next day.)
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Mar 25, 2017 00:12
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I actually agree with chores, if for no other reason than that surely would not be fun at all for town players. if the godfather needs to be stronger, don't remove godfather status if they perform a kill
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Mar 25, 2017 00:12
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got some chores tonight posted:if you really need to increase scum power level, give scum a 1x janitor this too would make things nailbitery
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Mar 25, 2017 00:14
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got some chores tonight posted:and its not like thats an unfortunate side effect thats the only way being lynchproof changes stuff its probably very suboptimal to have anyone else do the kill other than the godfather Actually I don't think that is true. Depends on game state but I'd say that in most cases even with this change you wouldn't want to kill with godfather early game. Ninja is still probably the right choice for N1 for most scum teams and in some cases Poisoner N1 will be the best go to choice. Like was your godfather almost cuddled d1? That is about the only scenario where you would want to consider it. And even then might be copped and cleared if you stay put.
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Mar 25, 2017 00:14
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got some chores tonight posted:and its not like thats an unfortunate side effect thats the only way being lynchproof changes stuff its probably very suboptimal to have anyone else do the kill other than the godfather got some chores tonight posted:if you really need to increase scum power level, give scum a 1x janitor
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Lumpen posted:This is a point to consider, that might be anti-fun. On the other hand, I have always liked complicating the simplicity of Got Copped, You're hosed. I like the idea of having a reason to maybe not lynch a Scum immediately even if you know they are Scum, if it's not LYLO, and they aren't the last Scum. Yeah this wording seems fine to me.
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Lumpen posted:Well, it would depend on how the Scum had played during the day. If the GF feels likely to be Copped, or the Ninja feels likely to be Tracked because they have gotten suspicion on them, then that can affect the choices. Fwiw I think there is already strong motivation to start with the poisoner. I do not like any variant that increases likelihood they will be picked since I think it is currently a high skill scum choice. It's surprising to me it hasn't been more popular.
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If Poison kills are Janitored, then the Scum can't even be sure if they've killed the SK, which could be funny. I'm not sure if it helps the Scum much though, because if Town Power gets Janitored the Backup who inherits the role gets info that Scums have denied themselves. So the Janitor doesn't really give the Scum extra claim-room, does it.
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Mar 25, 2017 00:19
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Mr. F! posted:Hal, Rarity, cpig scum team Called it  Cheers for the game, but it got boring once it became obvious who scum were and was easy to figure out mathematically  Miller 100% needs to go, but I think the open setup nature of the game is one of the things it has going against it. Maybe have a few variants and one is selected at random at the start so it takes a while for everyone to figure out what's what. Gotta give scum a chance.
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i think the base janitor should inform scum what the flip was but if thats not in the common definition of a janitor PRETEND I MENTIONED THAT
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Infinitum posted:Called it Lmao
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