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Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013



Although, strangely, their latest sports car doesn't have it....

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Norns
Nov 21, 2011

Senior Shitposting Strategist



Human Grand Prix posted:

Although, strangely, their latest sports car doesn't have it....

Yeah Honda is bad. Further proof

CratSock
Aug 5, 2004

Sock Wielding Assassin



Norns posted:

New thread new day for Lance Stroll to attempt murder

FartingBedpost posted:

It's appropriate that Stroll's in a Williams. He just seems destined for immortality.

Killiams Martini F1 Racing, murdering drivers since 1994.

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Lowtax


Fanatic posted:

I've been out of the loop too, but judging by a forum search of his username, there's alot of people asking that question as he hasn't posted since Dec 25, 2016...

Was he really George Michael irl? Seriously I hope he is well and good.

poty
Jun 21, 2008

私ycs兄弟のために虹を注ぐ


TurboDrizzle posted:

You're right. The video isnt good enough. I'll add them ASAP for new readers.

The video is very bad and the "music" goes against the Geneva convention

Also, a better title given the actual content is "F1 2017: A thin excuse for jealous foreigners to bash Britain"

Norns
Nov 21, 2011

Senior Shitposting Strategist



Im looking for this British bashing or racism or whatever and I don't see it

wicka
Jun 28, 2007

Single cylinder posting

Britain: a thin excuse for foreigners to bash Britain

Theophany
Jul 22, 2014

The face only a sister could love



Norns posted:

Im looking for this British bashing or racism or whatever and I don't see it

McLawrong being run by Hak Clown is quintessential Britain bashing.

CratSock posted:

Killiams Martini F1 Racing, murdering drivers since 1994.

Frank Williams likes to relive his most an heroic moment vicariously through his drivers.

poty
Jun 21, 2008

私ycs兄弟のために虹を注ぐ


Norns posted:

Im looking for this British bashing or racism or whatever and I don't see it

It's not that bad for now but just wait until Lewis dares to beat Germany's Seb Vettel and the hateposting will sink the thread to a discourse level that makes Rivals.com look like a Virginia Woolf novel

Theophany
Jul 22, 2014

The face only a sister could love



poty posted:

It's not that bad for now but just wait until Lewis dares to beat Germany's Seb Vettel and the hateposting will sink the thread to a discourse level that makes Rivals.com look like a Virginia Woolf novel

We've done it to death that the general dislike for Hamilton has nothing to do with the fact that he is a good F1 driver, it is all to do with the fact that he is the Keeping Up With The Kardashians of F1.

I'm a Brit and if he had a loving personality transplant I'd probably like him. At least Vettel has a sense of humour and has entertaining meltdowns. Hamilton just becomes an insufferable, churlish little shitweed.

Khablam
Mar 29, 2012

I have always thought the actions of men the best interpreters of their thoughts.



Honestly though, he undid 75% of my dislike for him at the season finale.
I have respect for him doing everything he could to push Rosberg back a place, even though it was clearly in danger of harming his position in the team.
His answers were also genuinely hilarious.
"Not sure what the problem is I seem to be leading the race"

FartingBedpost
Aug 24, 2015





Theophany posted:

Frank Williams likes to relive his most an heroic moment vicariously through his drivers.

With Stroll on the team and Liberty promising more European tracks, I bet this is the most Frank Williams has felt since his staff told him Gille Villenueve's son wanted a Formula 1 seat.

Norns
Nov 21, 2011

Senior Shitposting Strategist



poty posted:

It's not that bad for now but just wait until Lewis dares to beat Germany's Seb Vettel and the hateposting will sink the thread to a discourse level that makes Rivals.com look like a Virginia Woolf novel

In pretty sure multiple people tell you every time you do this.

No one hates Lewis Hamilton because he's British.

gret
Dec 12, 2005

goggle-eyed freak



Norns posted:

No one hates Lewis Hamilton because he's British.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBPBrJ74C8I

wicka
Jun 28, 2007

Single cylinder posting


OK I like Lewis again.

Flesh Croissant
Apr 23, 2010

by FactsAreUseless


Lets not forget when lewis stood up for freedom and democracy:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSwY9huY_Qc#t=5s

djssniper
Jan 10, 2003




Not sure if this was posted but 'Crash and Burn' is on iPlayer atm
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6153126/

I've read the book, and it's pretty interesting

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007





Driver and Team Guide 2017

Teams listed in order of 2016 World Championship points; drivers’ points as of 2016 Championship

Mercedes



Mercedes have grown and become a major power in Formula 1. With Grand Prix pedigree from the 1950s and experience making engines for 15 years before re-joining as a full manufacturer in 2010, they’re a team with plenty of history; from the arrival of Lewis Hamilton in 2013 and the new ruleset in 2014, they’ve become dominant. They’re expected to have one of the best cars and engine combinations in 2017, but the question isn’t how much they’ve developed, but if anyone else has caught them.

Lewis Hamilton (2nd, 380 points) - The three-time World Champion lost it at the last to former teammate Nico Rosberg in 2016. A divisive figure in this thread (to put it simply), he remains one of the fastest drivers on the grid. Snapchat and Instagram enthusiast; #blessed. Championship favorite.

Valtteri Bottas (8th, 85 points) - Joined Mercedes after the retirement of 2016 champ Rosberg. Four years of experience at Williams give him F1 experience, but he has zero pole positions or wins to his name. A cool and calm character, he’s expected to compete for wins -- but will he?

Red Bull Racing-TAG Heuer



Formula 1’s kings of the extreme (including extremes of what the rules include), the Austrian energy drink giant has owned their own team since 2005 and have competed for wins and championships since 2009. After a rough 2015, the team were the only to take a race win from Mercedes in 2016. With two race-winning drivers and F1 design god Adrian Newey back using his pencil for good and not sailboats or Aston Martins, much is expected from RBR this year.

Daniel Ricciardo (3rd, 256 points) - The Colgate Bogan, Daniel “Danny Ricky Bobby” Ricciardo is fast, brave, and a serious title threat this year if the car’s good. His race wins in 2014 came through a combination of smarts and balls, and he’s proven to have solid qualifying and race pace.

Max Verstappen (204 points, 5th) - Started last season at RBR’s junior team, Toro Rosso, and swapped with Daniil Kvyat from the Spanish Grand Prix. First race in the RBR, and the frog-faced boy wonder wins the drat thing. Had massive speed and is the absolute last of the late brakers in F1, attempting moves few would consider. However, there’s pressure to perform and a new set of rules which may make life tough. Should compete for the title.

Ferrari



The old, scarlet lady of Formula 1. Has been around since the first Grand Prix and they never let you forget it. Have always been competitive, there or thereabouts, too. Last year was a disappointment after 2014 and ‘15, but the pace of Kimi Raikkonen and the swearing of Vettel were both impressive. Now, we know that testing times are as useful as a bacon briefcase, but Ferrari came out of the winter testing as The Team to Beat. Expected to improve on 2016 and with two former champions, they should put up a serious fight.

Sebastian Vettel (4th, 212 points) - the four-time champion (with Red Bull) was successful straight away with Ferrari in 2015, but last year he was known more for swearing on the radio than anything else he did on the track. Has those four titles but is he able to drag the team up and develop a car?

Kimi Raikkonen (6th, 186 points) - the famously icy Finn is the 2007 champion with Ferrari and somebody most fans thought was done as we started one year ago. But a strong season has provided hope that everyone’s favorite F1 meme might compete again. Could win races; could be in the title hunt…?

Force India-Mercedes



After starting as the Jordan F1 team in the early ‘90s, they wandered the desert before Indian playboy-slash-businessman-slash-fugitive Vijay Mallya bought the team 10 years ago. Partnership with Mercedes provides the best engine and other tricky toys; the design team have also found ways to succeed on a limited budget, too. They’ve ascended up the ladder, marking their highest finish since the team was painted bright yellow, but do they have the cash and drivers to keep fighting? (Probably not, but don’t be shocked if they steal a win).

Sergio Perez (7th, 101 points) - the F1 thread’s second favorite Mexican (we miss you Hefe) somehow scored two podiums and a 7th-placed finish in the championship. Now in his seventh season, he’s become a solid driver, and more is expected -- he could snag a podium or two, and might even get a win if the conditions fall right.

Esteban Ocon (23rd, 0 points) - the Mercedes junior driver spent half a season in the tail-end Manor (R.I.P. Manor) and managed to equal his then-teammate, Pascal Wehrlein, in equal cars. While Wehrlein was in the picture for the Mercedes seat after Rosberg’s retirement, Ocon has taken the FI spot and should have a solid first year with the team.

Williams-Mercedes



One of Formula 1’s historic teams, celebrating their 40th anniversary this year, the 9-time constructors’ champions are hoping to rebound for a disappointing 2016 and get back into title contention. A common sight up the grid in 2014, the team slid down the last two years. But was 2016’s woes just a sign that they were focused on the new-rules package this year? And what of their drivers…

Felipe Massa (11th, 53 points) - Oh, Felipe, baby. Expected to retire at the end of last year and hand the reins to Bottas, that plan came undone when Bottas was chosen to replace Rosberg at the factory Mercedes team. The old hand has been brought in for one last go-around. Is there any left in the tank?

Lance Stroll (Rookie - N/A) - Billionaire father bankrolling your racing career, including hiring one of the most famous Formula 1 teams to be a glorified test team ahead of your own F1 debut? Lance Stroll is living out the life you wish you could...which is why he’s instantly hated. Let’s see what he can do.

McLaren-Honda



Another year, another wonder if this is the season McLaren pull it back together. Second only to Ferrari in Formula 1 history, wins, and titles, McLaren have prided themselves on being the most professional and precise squad in recent years. However, this also has led to exactly zero constructors’ championships since 1998 and zero competitive drives since Lewis Hamilton left the team. And after the struggles of 2015, it looked like they had some speed by the end of 2016. But alas, it looks like all the uncertainty and misalignment between McLaren and engine partner Honda has continued, and the team finished testing well off the pace and surrounded by dark clouds of rumor.

Also they promised an orange car and somehow hosed that up, royally.

Fernando Alonso (10th, 54 points) - Oh, Fernando. Second only to “Bad Luck” Mark Webber in the bad luck and timing game, he very well should be a four-time world champion, but is instead a hostage of the McLaren-Honda golden prison. This could prove to be his last F1 season which is a shame because, in equal cars, he’s probably still top three on the grid for sheer talent.

Stoffel Vandoorne (20th, 1 point) - While the young Belgian scored one point on one race last year, this year is his true rookie season. After crushing GP2 in 2015, he was McLaren’s reserve driver last year, filling in for the dead injured Alonso in Bahrain. He spent the rest of his time sharpening open-wheel skills in Super Formula in Japan.

Toro Rosso-Renault



The continuation of once-proud backmarkers Minardi, the Toro Rosso team has become Red Bull’s kindergarten (Vettel, Ricciardo, and Verstappen are all alumni) as well as the host to some quite crafty engineers. At the least, the new paint scheme A. looks a lot better and B. differentiates them from the Red Bull squad visually. With proper Renault engines, could be a surprise this year.

Carlos Sainz Jr. (12th, 46 points) - There are a lot of exciting young drivers in Formula 1, but young Sainz is the one to watch for me. Son of former World Rally Champion Carlos Sainz, the youngster is starting his third year in Formula 1 and without a clear path to the Red Bull Racing squad, may very well become the most in-demand driver in the 2017 ‘silly season.’ Could be a surprise this year.

Daniil Kvyat (14th, 25 points) - As Verstappen had his unlikely rise last year, so Kvyat suffered the fall. A solid if uninspiring driver in 2015 with the RBR team led to a 2016 where some early-season mistakes led to his first podium -- at home in Russia -- and his last drive before switching with Verstappen. After that, he looked absolutely shaken, and spoke to the press about having no confidence left. Hopefully he gained some of that back over the winter.

Haas-Ferrari



Formula 1’s newest entrant, the American-owned team is run by Gene Haas, who also co-owns a major NASCAR entry with Tony Stewart. With headquarters in the U.S., a forward base in England, cars manufactured in Italy by Dallara and as many parts as are legal sourced from Ferrari’s catalogue, Haas F1 are setup to be solid and competitive quickly. They scored enough early to not be last, but it became apparent 2016 was a trial season. What does 2017 hold?

Romain Grosjean (13th, 29 points) - Big John, late of Lotus, has become a solid F1 veteran and a Worst Thread favorite. Three points-scoring places in the first four races set up his 2016, and with another year of development, he should be in the midfield again this year.

Kevin Magnussen (16th, 7 points) - Son of Corvette Racing stalwart Jan Magnussen, young Kevin has had an interesting F1 career thus far. A McLaren development driver and race driver in 2014, he then became a McLaren test driver in 2015 before jumping to the revitalized Renault team last year. After a tough year there, he’s joined with Haas. Is this his last F1 chance? He’s shown speed but has also been in poor cars throughout his career.

Renault



The Once and Future Renault has returned. The former Toleman, Benetton, Renault, Bad Lotus, and Just Lotus team has returned as Renault and look to become respectable in 2017. Between poor finances (the team almost went bankrupt in 2015) and development (their 2016 car was developed for roughly 5 British Pounds and designed for a Mercedes engine), last year was always going to be a wash. With a proper new car, engine development (also benefitting their customers, Red Bull and Toro Rosso) and two solid drivers, they should jump into the midfield fray.

Nico Hulkenberg (9th, 72 points) - The Hulk made the leap to a factory team for 2017, but for some patience it might have been the coveted Mercedes seat. He was beaten by Perez in last year’s championship for Force India, but is still a reliable, quick driver with more than 100 race starts for Williams and FI under his belt. If Renault find themselves over-achieving, it will be because The Hulk finally meets expectations.

Jolyon Palmer (18th, 1 point) - Son of former F1 driver and current British racing circuit magnate Jonathan Palmer, Palmer’s rookie year coincided with the smoking crater of Lotus racing as Renault, so it was always going to be difficult. That he managed to cut it close with Magnussen is a credit to him, and with a much-improved package he’s now got to prove himself in 2017.

Sauber-Ferrari



Sauber are a funny old team. Perennial midfield battlers, a former kindergarten of F1 talent (Kimi Raikkonen, Felipe Massa, Robert Kubica, Sebastian Vettel, and Nico Hulkenburg all have driven for the team early in their careers), at one time a factory team when owned by BMW, now the Swiss team is holding on -- just. Born from the Sauber sports car team that won Le Mans in the 1980s, the team have more than 20 years of F1 experience, most of it as a satisfied midfield outfit, some of it as a legitimate contender (namely with BMW). In recent years their performance hasn’t matched past ambitions or ability, and hopefully -- after surviving 2016 -- they will live on.

Marcus Ericsson (22nd, 0 points) - Has driven for Sauber for a few years now, and has neither justified moving up or down the field. However, as he has ties to the new investment/ownership group leading Sauber, he’ll probably have a seat as long as he likes.

Pascal Wehrlein (19th, 1 point) - The young Mercedes driver surprisingly won the DTM series in 2015, leading to a full-time seat with Manor for 2016. While he showed some speed and consistency, he’s also garnered a reputation as something of a diva. Was a possibility for the Mercedes seat, and has instead wound up at Sauber, which is some kind of luck.

wicka
Jun 28, 2007

Single cylinder posting

F1 2017: They promised an orange car and somehow hosed that up, royally.

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006

Is that a challenge?

Stealing from an old AI thread:

F1 2017: We got the car we asked for, and WE'RE ALL ANGRY ABOUT IT

Flesh Croissant
Apr 23, 2010

by FactsAreUseless


Im up for any title change, i picked a poo poo one. Thanks for the great car section forums user harperdc.


Re: The Alonso section, i think fernando has done everything he needs to do to inherit the "Bad Luck" Fernando Alonso (BLFA) title. Lets make that a thing.

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007


a very unhappy baby whale



Force India picture needs swapping with a proper pink one

Dubs
Mar 6, 2007

"Winning doesn't exist any more as a concept"

"Do we have room for points in our cars? Yes we do. But the reality is that we put ourselves in a position where the technology side of our business is providing different dynamics."


Teased orange: Produced Brown


TurboDrizzle posted:


Re: The Alonso section, i think fernando has done everything he needs to do to inherit the "Bad Luck" Fernando Alonso (BLFA) title. Lets make that a thing.

Jesus, get banned already

Dubs fucked around with this message at Mar 21, 2017 around 23:33

nsaP
May 4, 2004

alright?


Man the wide flat cars really look good. Compared to the skinny tall ones at least.

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester
Oct 3, 2000


What's the difference between Bad Lotus and Good Lotus? Considering that my understanding is neither is related in any way to Colin Lotus

Flesh Croissant
Apr 23, 2010

by FactsAreUseless


Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

What's the difference between Bad Lotus and Good Lotus? Considering that my understanding is neither is related in any way to Colin Lotus

Bad lotus was renault and became lotus. Good lotus was lotus and became caterham.

wicka
Jun 28, 2007

Single cylinder posting

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

What's the difference between Bad Lotus and Good Lotus? Considering that my understanding is neither is related in any way to Colin Lotus

Both were related to Colin Chapman's Lotus, kind of. Team Lotus and Lotus Cars were never part of the same organization. Lotus Cars was bought by Proton and became Group Lotus, who licensed the Lotus name to Tony Fernandes in 2010 (Good Lotus, eventually Caterham). They revoked that license in 2011 and gave it to the former Renault team (Bad Lotus), at which point Fernandes bought the assets of Team Lotus, which had been owned by ~someone else~ since the team had originally collapsed.

djssniper
Jan 10, 2003




wicka posted:

Both were related to Colin Chapman's Lotus, kind of. Team Lotus and Lotus Cars were never part of the same organization. Lotus Cars was bought by Proton and became Group Lotus, who licensed the Lotus name to Tony Fernandes in 2010 (Good Lotus, eventually Caterham). They revoked that license in 2011 and gave it to the former Renault team (Bad Lotus), at which point Fernandes bought the assets of Team Lotus, which had been owned by ~someone else~ since the team had originally collapsed.

He bought the Team Lotus 'name', but then was legally challenged. He then bought the assets of Caterham

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007


a very unhappy baby whale



Tony Fernandes bought the rights to use the Lotus racing brand when he started a new team. They were sort of poo poo but tried hard and painted their cars a nice shade of green. Renault flaked out of F1 and Proton decided it was a good opportunity to remind people they own the Lotus road car brand and painted the car a lovely ripoff of the JPS Lotus livery. Tony Fernandes couldn't be arsed with the squabble and renamed his team Caterham

e: What wicka said

Tsaedje fucked around with this message at Mar 21, 2017 around 23:58

Halo14
Sep 11, 2001


That Haas is sexy.

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007


a very unhappy baby whale



Halo14 posted:

That Haas is sexy.

This is the new test for identifying Americans (it looks awful, mate)

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

Bless you, ants. Blants.




Fun Shoe

2012 was a p. decent season from what I remember.

Tsaedje
May 11, 2007


a very unhappy baby whale





I do like the big fat rear tyres a stupid amount. They bring an actual smile to my face

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

Bless you, ants. Blants.




Fun Shoe

I think the majority of them are going to look decent out on track. Maybe not the pink Force India.

blunt
Jul 7, 2005





Thanks Ants posted:

2012 was a p. decent season from what I remember.

7 Winners in 7 races. The first half of 2012 was super fun.

Flesh Croissant
Apr 23, 2010

by FactsAreUseless


I think a remake of the intake/sharkfin area for 2018 or 2019 would go a long way to completing the look. Something to make it look shorter or less substantial in that section.

Norns
Nov 21, 2011

Senior Shitposting Strategist



I really like this year's cars. Shark fins and all.

Wonder if we will see them off for monza?

The MCLRN is loving ugly as all hell though.

wicka
Jun 28, 2007

Single cylinder posting

djssniper posted:

He bought the Team Lotus 'name', but then was legally challenged. He then bought the assets of Caterham

He won that legal challenge.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013



Thanks Ants posted:

I think the majority of them are going to look decent out on track. Maybe not the pink Force India.

That's the best looking scheme.

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harperdc
Jul 24, 2007





Can probably replace the Force India picture with one in pink once we get a couple sessions deep in Australia this week, all the photos are from testing and that was before the sponsor change.

Might also make better graphics for the whole thing but that'd take some time.

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