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We badly need to replace the ones we lost, at least. Getting back to a core of 8 high ends and then whatever else we can/want to pick up should be good.
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We already have eight high end CAP aircraft. We have 4 Gripens and 4 F-16s
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No, we have 4 high end CAP planes. The AIM-120C is the baseline here.
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Yeah, those Falcons aren't high-end anything. And you don't want your CAP aircraft to also be your only platform for anything else (Gripens and their SDBs). What we need is a half-dozen to a dozen dedicated CAP aircraft, and about the only thing that matches that are F-15Cs (there's 4x 2016 DB entries on Baloogan because of different radars) and their AMRAAM-D's.
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Jul 12, 2017 14:45
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That went a lot better than it could have! All that Mamba worrying for nothing! At least we might be able to grab some of the remains of that Mamba battery if we're quick. e: and the Chinese anti-ship missiles! The best way to piss the Chinese off even more.
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I enjoyed those audio clips inserted into the stream, and the helicopter insertion and infantry assault is cool. I'm too impatient to fiddle with infantry usually.
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Jul 12, 2017 15:46
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Dance Officer posted:No, we have 4 high end CAP planes. The AIM-120C is the baseline here. The 120C performs very well in comparison to everything that isn't the meteor and 120D. I would not dismiss it as a mere baseline.
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glynnenstein posted:I enjoyed those audio clips inserted into the stream, and the helicopter insertion and infantry assault is cool. I'm too impatient to fiddle with infantry usually. Tyvm, I did them, so I'm glad Cobbie made it through! I am guessing if no helis made it down it would have been curtains for our romantically unfortunate auskiwi mercenary.
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Quinntan posted:The 120C performs very well in comparison to everything that isn't the meteor and 120D. I would not dismiss it as a mere baseline. I think the idea here is that it performs well enough and it and its performance level is common enough that you really don't want to be showing up to a fight with less, not that it's not good.
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Coffeehitler posted:What we need is a half-dozen to a dozen dedicated CAP aircraft, Dedicated tactical planes in a force our size is silly.
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Dance Officer posted:Dedicated tactical planes in a force our size is silly. I think he means we want to look for something with very strong air-to-air credentials, and we don't need to worry too much about air to ground because we have a ton of other assets for that. Also WRT History Maker:  Why did I watch that live?! I shouldn't watch this stuff live, I get all panicky and self-doubty!
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Jul 12, 2017 16:27
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Davin Valkri posted:I think he means we want to look for something with very strong air-to-air credentials, and we don't need to worry too much about air to ground because we have a ton of other assets for that. As several people said in the discord after the mission, the plan was good, great even. All plans, no matter how well formed, when applied to the execution phase find that something falls apart. Think of it like a die-roll, you can get all the + whatever modifiers so that the die roll is a formality and still roll a critical failure. All you can do after the formation of a plan is to limit the losses. The only real disaster that was averted by pure chance is the Frogfoots out of Gambell going after the Hips, if that had happened then Cobie and co would be dead instead of on Saint Lawrence Island. Dance Officer posted:Dedicated tactical planes in a force our size is silly. Good to know we can get rid of the Tornadoes. With our usual CAP platforms (a multi-role aircraft) now limited, and the possibility of the limited use method that Yooper is using continuing, we need to find a solution to our on-going CAP limitations. 8 Multi-Role fighters is not going to be tenable. We are going to lose more and that degradation of capability will not be tenable if we lose much more of either of those airframes. So a solution is a dedicated Air Superiority platform in enough numbers that we can use them every mission with possible back-up by multi-role platforms. Granted, I would prefer getting that number of either Legacy Bugs or Super Bugs, but Eagles are probably the best solution for a dedicated Air Superiority platform for our needs. This is of course barring a deal on either Gripens or Bugs. If I had a choice of Eagles, it would be some form of modern C model, E's (preferably with the "Macross" upgrades so they can carry 16 AMRAAM-D's) or one of the export E variants.
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Coffeehitler posted:As several people said in the discord after the mission, the plan was good, great even. All plans, no matter how well formed, when applied to the execution phase find that something falls apart. Think of it like a die-roll, you can get all the + whatever modifiers so that the die roll is a formality and still roll a critical failure. All you can do after the formation of a plan is to limit the losses. Even putting aside personal biases I still believe sending in the Reaper at low altitude to laze for the A-11s was a severe unforced error, doubly so if as stated they only had LGBs instead of the intended JDAMs due to a ground crew mixup loading the wrong weapons. Trading a one of a kind and potentially irreplaceable aircraft like that for a few small bomb drops is not a good exchange. That thing was on par with the S100B for utility in some situations. We're going to have a much harder time spotting ground targets now and it's not clear if a replacement Reaper of the same model will even be available. We'll survive, but that was a mistake we can ill-afford to make again. I should also note that this wasn't even in the original plan, it was a last second decision to correct for the LGBs' release altitude being too high to see through the clouds. Next time we'll have to do what we should have done this time, work laser bombers in pairs and trade off the low-flying lazing pilot with the higher-flying bombing one.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/166tO-wQ--plA6rCIn6jWC_le24dRaW-Ga9nt9q8Lmyo/edit?usp=sharing Wishlist is up and running! Please, add your desired aircraft to it. It's pretty bare. Right now, there's only two or three sheets with stuff on them: the Table of Contents, the CAP list, and the Misc./Drone list. Please, change this. I want to see this list filled to bursting, y'hear? Now, to explain the color-coding. It's so that others/Yooper can find what they're looking for easily. Future sheet titles added to the wishlist SHOULD follow the color coding provided on the TOC. It's for everyone's sanity, you see. In any case, please do enjoy and debate away!
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Coffeehitler posted:With our usual CAP platforms (a multi-role aircraft) now limited, and the possibility of the limited use method that Yooper is using continuing, we need to find a solution to our on-going CAP limitations. 8 Multi-Role fighters is not going to be tenable. We are going to lose more and that degradation of capability will not be tenable if we lose much more of either of those airframes. So a solution is a dedicated Air Superiority platform in enough numbers that we can use them every mission with possible back-up by multi-role platforms. We could also just have multi-role planes going about their business without needing a dedicated CAP. Like our F-16s.
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Dance Officer posted:We could also just have multi-role planes going about their business without needing a dedicated CAP. Like our F-16s. And when a coordinated strike of dedicated CAP birds hits our Multiroles and we don't have enough A2A to remove them? And when our mudmovers don't have enough bombs to make the final push for our infantry because of those AMRAAMs are taking up pylon space? Imagine how differently Angola would have been without Rohan and Silent Bob kicking twelve kinds of Chinese rear end, our base AA took ages just to take down one plane that got close enough to bomb. Everything we do starts with, and depends on our CAP.
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power crystals posted:Even putting aside personal biases I still believe sending in the Reaper at low altitude to laze for the A-11s was a severe unforced error, doubly so if as stated they only had LGBs instead of the intended JDAMs due to a ground crew mixup loading the wrong weapons. Trading a one of a kind and potentially irreplaceable aircraft like that for a few small bomb drops is not a good exchange. That thing was on par with the S100B for utility in some situations. We're going to have a much harder time spotting ground targets now and it's not clear if a replacement Reaper of the same model will even be available. We'll survive, but that was a mistake we can ill-afford to make again. Fully agreed and seconded.
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Honestly, for procurement, I'm taking a wait and see approach. Namely, waiting to see how much more we lose in this Arctic campaign.
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Groggy nard posted:And when a coordinated strike of dedicated CAP birds hits our Multiroles and we don't have enough A2A to remove them? And when our mudmovers don't have enough bombs to make the final push for our infantry because of those AMRAAMs are taking up pylon space? Imagine how differently Angola would have been without Rohan and Silent Bob kicking twelve kinds of Chinese rear end, our base AA took ages just to take down one plane that got close enough to bomb. Have you even seen plane loadouts? Every plane that I've come across with the exception of the Rafale reduces A2A capabilities to 2 heaters and 2 BVRs for ground attack loadouts. Same thing with our multi roles. What if our multi roles had actually decent A2A capabilities? Why would a force with preferably 20+ AIM-120C's between them not be capable of seeing off everything smaller than a massed attack? (also, our AA would have done just fine against all of the ground attack planes launched back In Angola. It was only a MiG-29 Fulcrum they had trouble dealing with, and that's a way modern plane than the MIM-hawk we have)
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 I'm going to skip the spoiler tags for this one. It's been almost twenty four hours, you guys can handle it.  We're going to work something out in regards to our MQ-9. Through a comedy of errors I inadvertently selected Paveways instead of JDAMS.  This led me to drive our very expensive and fragile Reaper into the waiting arms of a Crotale NG while trying to lase targets. On top of that this potentially led to a few of our MI-8's getting (possibly) whacked. On the plus side we have boots on the ground. On the down side we're down a drone. We'll figure out something to replace the Reaper. Had it been lost in the normal course of operations, oh well, that's how it goes, but I feel this one is my fault.  We lost a Tornado and a Phantom. Though through it all we definitely came out ahead. At the moment Canada Express is hurting and is unlikely to directly challenge us in the air. They have assets on the east end of the island that are now operating without air cover. But, we have a bigger problem Hired Goons.  Mitsuhashi got funky. The old people with traffic cones are gone, the six sigma reps have departed, and that nice fancy efficiency bonus has not showed up in our bank account. Jack Abramof, our Lobbyist, is getting tidbits of info that Mitsuhashi has been purchased by none other than Midori Hasegawa and SMARF. You see where this is going right? I can't confirm it yet but it's looking like we're about to be double-crossed by our employers.  Next priority will be to support Cobbie's push inland, find the nuke, and get the hell out of Provd before SMARF nails us on the ground. We've reached out to both BSNC and Iceberg but I think we're going to have to fight our way onto the ground. That nice fat end of theater payout is now dependent on us finding that nuclear weapon. I don't know when the brawl is going to happen, but we've got some bad blood between us and SMARF. We're going into an intermission. I've got some work trips to do and a family vacation coming up. We'll have plenty of time to brainstorm ideas for how to handle our impending mission, so feel free to toss out ideas.
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Told y'all we shoulda helped Julie 
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Where do the Dunks sit?
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Welp, the soulless megacorp's internal politics have betrayed us, as foreseen. Time to make the best we can out of this mess. Who's even paying our destructobux at this point?
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i'm getting the distinct feeling we should Reach Out To The Russians immediately, and possibly even give them some of the Important Intel in exchange for them doing something to prevent SMARF from loving us. also, STASH COPIES OF THAT NUKE INFO loving EVERYWHERE. If SMARF does gently caress us, they/Hasegawa go down with us.
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Seeing as they're stiffing us on the efficiency bonus, wouldn't that count as a breach of contract? Time to get the gently caress outta here either way. And on the way out, we give our intel to every news agency we can think of and watch the Chinese and Russians race to gently caress Mitsuhashi over. Quinntan fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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Night10194 posted:Time to make the best we can out of this mess. Who's even paying our destructobux at this point? Escrow.
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Question for Yooper: Will the next mission involve evacuating our assets along with running CAS for Cobbie or is something different going to happen? I'm only asking because TBH running a mass evacuation of assets seems like an interesting premise for a mission.
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Keep the nuke so we can blast our employer to hell. It's the only way.
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Taintrunner posted:Keep the nuke so we can blast our employer to hell. It's the only way. We do that and we kiss our end of campaign payout goodbye. Also I feel that this will require two, or even three phases to resolve: Phase 2: Now that Cobbie is on the ground, he needs to find the drat nuke. Protect his unit from Iceburg AFVs and Blue Star CAS aircraft while he hijacks some diggers and gets to digging! Phase 3: Cobbie has the nuke, but between the weight of the warhead and his dead/wounded, along with insurance payouts from the Hips, he can't be flown out by helicopter. Secure Gambell or Savoonga without destroying their runways, land the CASA and Herc for a pickup, and fly them to Midway Island. Watch out for SMARF! Phase 4?: Now everybody needs to run!
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Dr. Snark posted:Question for Yooper: Will the next mission involve evacuating our assets along with running CAS for Cobbie or is something different going to happen? Maybe? At some point it's gonna go south like a Jason Bourne movie. Or maybe like Ronin. You get the idea. For the time being if we behave like proper PMC's then Mitsuhashi-SMARF-Hasegawa will keep our leash tight. But once we go off the reservation then we might have problems. Say, once we find the nuke, or once we focus on something that's not what they want. Jack expects them to attempt to bleed us before coming in for the finishing move.
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Davin Valkri posted:We do that and we kiss our end of campaign payout goodbye. After we get the money, of course. Duuuuh!
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Hey, so...about that fancy bote we want...can we start salvaging it now? Because I highly doubt we'll be able/allowed to come back because Canada, Russia, and/or the US will have our number...and all it takes is one itchy General or one bored service-member to cause everything to go pear shaped.
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Rough consensus in the Discord is that we should be ready to bug out on a moment's notice, probably to Midway (other options include Canada if you don't mind flying right through Iceberg and Norway if K&P can meet us with some gas over the Arctic). Like Yooper said, I'm sure things will stay mostly sane until the sunshine gets dug up or Mitsu decides they no longer need us. And then things will get hairy fast, and we'll have to boogie with like 20 minutes notice. I know Space Case is now keeping his stuff in the C-130, at least.
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I'd mostly finished this before Yooper's update talking about the Reaper loss being somewhat of an error but... that's metagame knowledge that MEAT wouldn't have anyway so I think I'm good. And you all knew I wasn't going to let the Reaper getting shot down go by without one of these, right?  quote:You see a lot of death in war. You don’t often see your own. With season two of Days of our MEAT abruptly cancelled, is this the end of our hero? Of course not, the dude's basically got the safest job in the theater. It just might take a while for him to get back into rotation.
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If I was better with Photoshop I'd take a crack at making that poster glances meaningfully at less useless people
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