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I feel like SDB saturation tactics might be kinda contrary to our orders to avoid excessive ordinance usage. I realize that's the best tactic against an advanced system, which just leads me to think PenguinSalsa is right about the puzzle approach being better here and that we should change our "sanitize everything" mindset. Also, perhaps if our critical task was to kill the Mamba then the saturation would be in-line with our orders. I think a recon-oriented plan vs the advanced SAMs per our task 2.0 and a leaner plan to guard the boats per 1.0 and 1.1 is our best option at this time based on our employers instructions.
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So Yooper any chance you can print a still image of the working map? It just seems since the big windows update my print screen option isn't working and I can't make a copy of the working map to use in paint for a battle plan.
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koolkevz666 posted:So Yooper any chance you can print a still image of the working map? It just seems since the big windows update my print screen option isn't working and I can't make a copy of the working map to use in paint for a battle plan. 
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Voting on hold - Plans still incoming.
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Frostbite. e: koolkevz666 posted:So Yooper any chance you can print a still image of the working map? It just seems since the big windows update my print screen option isn't working and I can't make a copy of the working map to use in paint for a battle plan. Try Greenshot (also paint.net).
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Both are complete poo poo Seriously, I'd rather not sortie if these are our options.
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Ugh. I have to vote against both these plans on offer because they involve either a) Shooting missiles at botes sitting still in US harbor, which is pretty much the same as blowing up buildings on US soil. or b) It involves us charging at St. Lawrence and trying to kill the Mamba when we have precisely zero intel on whats on the island besides Theres A Mamba And It Theoretically Might Be Positioned To Menance Our Base. I'd like to point out that even if the Mamba IS where Baracuda's plan puts it, there a big pile of hills between us and St. Lawrence that will prevent enemy radars from actually seeing us at low level. As well, ground based radars don't really reach that far when we're at low altitude. Sending our Gripens to go hunt the thing when we have threats to our employer's botes to worry about is just a bad idea. Use this mission to recon the place so we can make a proper plan for next time.
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Operation Half-rear end Guys while that SAM battery on ST Lawrence is frightening, we don't need to worry about killing it right now, our main job is to just cover those big factory ships until they're fixed. Mitsuhasi also wants a little recon. Lets just give them EXACTLY what they want and nothing more. Then if they want us to blow poo poo up later on we can. For now lets just cover those botes and scout so we can possibly steal or commando strike that SAM next round.  KIANG and ZEBRA Points Each CAP Zone will have: 4 Gripens with METOR Loadout 5 Tornados with Sea Eagle Loadout Our main job is to cover the repair operations and that’s exactly what we will do. Flights of Gripens and Phantoms will hold at these two areas and patrol, destroying any enemy plane or ship that tries to get close. Paso Flight 4x F-16s 1x Aircraft: EA-6B Prowler with 5 jamming pods.: AGM-154C JSOW [BROACH], Sniper XR Pod & LANTIRN Pod [FLIR] This flight will carry a mix of BVR A2A missiles and several ranged missiles useful for engaging ships. This flight will operate as a swiss army knife reserve that can act as an aerial response force to whatever situation arises in the Northern part of the theatre. They’ll hold at point WATCHTOWER and refuel as needed until the operation is complete. They’ll obit WATCHTOWER at 36,000 feet and engage targets as needed. The Prowler will hold here too and provide jamming assistance to the planes in the area. Pig Fight Aircraft: KC-135R VC-10.K4 Fly at medium altitude and fly a racetrack between POINT JACK and POINT MARE to provide tanker support to main combat group in the north. Jennet Flight 2x Mirage F.1CR: Equipped with: Recon: Rafael Recon Pod [SLAR], Barax NG DECM Pod, Phimat Chaff Pod Its time for the Mirages to earn their keep, their assignment will be to fly recon pattern around St Lawrence, holding an altitude patterns and staying on the edge of the exclusion zone. They’ll scan as much of the perimeter as possible before returning home. One will fly east along the upper part of the island, the other will fly south along the west. Both planes will R2B one Bingo Fuel is achieved or if an enemy plane begins to chase them. If they R2B and we still have time in mission, then arm up with Paveways and get out to join Vacca flight. TARPAN FLIGHT MQ-9 Reaper with Gorgon Stare pods Following the green line at max altitude, our Reaper will scout around ST Lawrence outside the exclusion zone before making a brief journey north to peek near the Alaskan zone before beating hay back home. A quick peak and nothing more. KONIK Flight Aircraft: Atlantique 2 with two Exocet missiles The Atlantque will run race tracks up and down the orange line and shoot at any enemy ship that comes into range. In the event enemy planes start to appear nearby, it’ll beat feet behind the Gripen shield and then return once the danger subsides. I-SPY The S-100 will orbit point I-SPY at max altitude to provide the best radar coverage. Vacca Flight Pretty much a copy of what Bacc had planned, only with some modifications to the load outs and planes. SMARF might need some help, but still our focus needs to be on the north since that’s our job. Aircraft: Two AMXs armed with two GBU-16B Paveways 4 Kfirs armed with 2 Derby Missiles 1. Orbit POINT CABEZA at 36,000 feet ASL. 2. Locate and destroy any BSNC ships approaching the convoy. 3. Provide secondary CAP for the Mitshuashi convoy. If SMARF cannot engage incoming air targets, merge with and destroy the enemy aircraft. 4. Stay on station until all friendly ships are out of range of enemy forces. SPERWAR Our crappy drone will fly above Provi harbor and act as a tripwire incase the Alaskans try and sneak attack us down south to blow up the airfield. RESERVE 5 Phantoms GBU-12D/B LGB [Mk82], Litening Pod [FLIR], AN/ALQ-119 DECM Pod Keeps the phantoms at Laven and have them launch if we need to provide extra A2A or Anti-ship. This payload allows them to do both. Jimmy4400nav fucked around with this message at 02:18 on May 31, 2017 |
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Nick Esasky posted:Ugh. I have to vote against both these plans on offer because they involve either a) Shooting missiles at botes sitting still in US harbor, which is pretty much the same as blowing up buildings on US soil. or b) It involves us charging at St. Lawrence and trying to kill the Mamba when we have precisely zero intel on whats on the island besides Theres A Mamba And It Theoretically Might Be Positioned To Menance Our Base. The Mamba is a hazard on southern final approaches, and its radar provides detailed intelligence as to exactly when we go up and go down. There is also nothing stopping BSNC from deciding to move their battery into a position where it CAN smack planes on takeoff, which it will be quite successful at given the low speeds a plane on takeoff are going at.
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I guess the poetry didn't make it clear, but a 60 mile exclusion zone preclude hitting the harbor unless the boats have launched. Will clarify. e: There we go. 
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Yooper posted:ridiculously old planes Aww yes, my chance to shine. I knew I packed my luger for a reason.
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 Wild Willie, the man, the myth, the legend, has erupted from prison like a mattress gone bad. He's offering an amazing deal to us Hired Goons. Here it is, from Willie himself. This is Wacky Willie and man have I got a proposition for you!  Over the past month and a half or so I’ve been wheeling and dealing in the former East Block, seeing if I could wrangle some decent picks out of the boneyards, when God must have smiled down on me and gave me the opportunity of a lifetime. Due to all the recent political unrest and economic uncertainties, several very wealthy political figures have come to the conclusion that some of their lesser and forgotten holding have become politically dangerous. And by politically dangerous, I mean a full blown hot potato juggling act that might actually result in persecution. In Russia. That’s when I stepped in and offered to take custody of the lot for a reasonable fee. This includes mass swaths of boneyards and associated parts warehouses of the old Soviet Union.  Now, let’s be honest, these rust buckets had been left here for a reason. Not only will it take work to get them in the air again, they’ve fallen afoul of one of the strangest bureaucratic messes I’ve ever heard of. The gist of it is that none of this stuff can be sold at a profit, and that transferred ownership requires a legitimate effort be made to get them going. I’m sure they could have cut the hole mess out eventually, but they were in a rush and didn’t have the time. Old Russian conservatism biting them in the rear end, am I right? Unfortunately, this leaves me with the responsibility of fixing the drat things, and let me tell you, it’s going to take awhile!  Luckily I've partnered with Devry and various other "For Profit" educational enterprises and we've got nearly free labor tuning this poo poo into, well, slightly more polished poo poo. Now, words of warning. These things are only a few steps away from the scrapheap no matter what I do. Average remaining life span on the frames are around 200 flight hours, and the improvised engines will be even worse. The flight controls are always going to be pretty loose, so whoever's driving the thing will look like he’s drunk. Like a true Russian, am I right? The radars are going to be a coin toss as to whether or not they’ll ever work, but apparently that’s not much of a problem the way you guys play things. The biggest problem is that many of them have stress damage on the pylons, so you won’t be able to load them up as much as they used to be able to. I don’t have the equipment or qualified personnel to give exact measurements, so you’ll have to figure out the limitations yourselves. I can be sure that you won’t be able to fling Kyles.  Look, I’ve spent time with you guys. I know you people. There’s more that a few nut jobs looking to go out in an ill conceived blaze of glory that feel ‘constrained’ by you reasonable purchases. If their ride randomly explodes, all the better! This way, you can make them happy, not spend too much money, and get some half-assed cruise missiles in the process! What do you say, do we have a deal? ACTUAL MECHANICS For $6 million, Wacky Willy will provide 8 random planes from below. These planes have the lowest possible skill pilots, and are discarded at the end of the campaign. They may not be upgraded, traded, or sold. This is the Hired Goons "Minor League" team. Think of it as your rather slow, but enthusiastic cousin. Our current "dead and disabled" list will get to choose a single aircraft from 1946 to 1955. If you're on the list below, select an aircraft. The last Goon Standing will get first pick of the poo poo. Then we'll go down the list from there.
Potential Planes Fighters Mig-19PM Mig-21bis Mig-23ML Su-15TM, Attackers Mig-19S Mig-23BK Su-7BKL, Su-17M3 This will run for 24 hours or so to give our mission planners more time to, well, plan missions. Credit to Omegasgundam for the idea and inspiration Yooper fucked around with this message at 01:09 on May 31, 2017 |
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Hoo boy. My pick is the Supermarine Seafire F. Mk 47.
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Am I blind or do I not see how "last goon standing" is determined? That said hell yes do this this is amazing. Oh and changing my vote to Half-rear end for basically being the one I thought about writing up and then didn't bother.
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power crystals posted:Am I blind or do I not see how "last goon standing" is determined? Thunderdome between the chosen planes.
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Yooper, I have to take issue with this. Getting the Lions to the superbowl and then having them demolished 77-3 is just cruel and inhumane.
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Thank you, thank you. Your applause is most welcome. For my next trick, I will come up with an excuse for why we have access to working I-HAWK Ks. Expect it sometime tomorrow, in the form of a would-be Economist column.
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F7U Cutlass Proposal: Gentleman's agreement. If you take a jet it should suck. If you take a prop it should be absolutely roided out latewar gear. Hybrids are strongly recommended. xthetenth fucked around with this message at 01:40 on May 31, 2017 |
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I should read better.  (I could still take you all in my chosen plane. You'd all crash trying to shoot me down  )
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Quinntan posted:The Mamba is a hazard on southern final approaches, and its radar provides detailed intelligence as to exactly when we go up and go down. There is also nothing stopping BSNC from deciding to move their battery into a position where it CAN smack planes on takeoff, which it will be quite successful at given the low speeds a plane on takeoff are going at. The (only) positive sign is that radar horizon is roughly 1.23nm * (height in feet)^1/2, so the only way to acquire a plane at 60nm is to either be above it (impossible for a SAM site) or have it exceed 2,380 feet altitude. If the planes stay on the deck until they're out of range, they can avoid getting swatted like flies as they take off. Provided, of course, that the BSNC doesn't have the ability to send up an AEWC boat and point out our location using that. With all that said, that Mamba is the nastiest thing in-theatre right now and will dictate our operational tempo until we destroy it. It needs to die. David Corbett fucked around with this message at 01:50 on May 31, 2017 |
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We're working for a Japanese company now, so let's run with it. OPERATION SALARYMAN  Objectives: A) Defend processing ships B) Recon St. Lawrence island and the Alaskan shore C) Assist SMARF if needed. EMCON SAAB radar and OECM on. Radars off unless needed for targeting. - All aircraft are to stay 70nm away from St. Lawrence Island at all times. Interference Aircraft: Prowler (5x Jammers) Orders: Launch first. Move to point Marley and jam any radars on St. Lawrence island. Recon Southern Lights Aircraft: MQ-9 (Gorgon stare) Orders: Follow Recon route and 1) Scout St. Lawrence island 2) Identify surface vessels 3) Scout Port Clarence 4) Loiter in patrol area Hansei until mission ends.. Recon Northern Lights Aircraft 2x Mirages (2x Rafael recon pod), 2x Kfir (Opher + FLIR pod) Orders: Fly north, passing over Diomedes island and return when they reach the northern edge of Keizen. All radars on. (The Rafael is a radar pod, might as well...) Support Aircraft: S-100B, KC-135R, VC-10.K4 Orders: Orbit Support point. Provide AWACS and fuel. Sea Patrol Kaizen Aircraft: 5x Tornados (2 Sea Eagles each), Atlantique (2x Exocet) Orders: Patrol area Kaizen. Atlantique visually identifies surface vessels and aircraft. Tornados engage confirmed hostile vessels that crosses the border, prioritizing Skjolds. CAP Kaizen 2x F-16s (AMRAAMS), 2x Gripen (4x Meteors) Orders: Patrol area Kaizen. ' Sea Patrol Hansei Aircraft: 5x Tornados (2 Sea Eagles each), 2x AMXs (2x Mavericks) Orders: Patrol area Hansei. AMXs intercept and identify surface vessels that have not been identified by the MQ-9. Tornados engage confirmed hostile vessels that crosses the border, prioritizing Skjolds. CAP Hansei Aircraft: 2x F-16s (AMRAAMS). 2x Gripen (4x Meteors) Orders: Patrol area Hansei Backup Aircraft: 4x Gripens (4x RBS-15s + Meteors) Stand by at Provd on Alert 15. If SMARF requests assistance, launch and move to point Kaiju to assist them. Edit: If we want to go after the Mamba we should probably use all available SDBs as well as everything else that outranges it (storm shadows). I'm still not convinced or sure of what to do but we need to either give it our full attention to ensure success or work around it. PenguinSalsa fucked around with this message at 02:38 on May 31, 2017 |
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Half-rear end looks good to me. Is the S100 at I-SPY?
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Are any of the late war IJN/IJA airframes post-dated to 1946? I'd suggest choosing one of those if possible, I'm sure our employers would appreciate it.
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yurtcradled posted:Half-rear end looks good to me. Is the S100 at I-SPY? It is indeed!
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Hmm. I'm leaning towards frostbite on the concept that it is easier to ask for forgiveness than permission; while going outside of our orders might anger Mitsuhashi, killing that Mamba really increases our operational freedom and will simplify any further missions for us. Malicious compliance might normally be a good (or at least satisfying) way to deal with micromanaging bosses, it's a bad idea to do so if it gets us killed. A certain degree of flexibility in military operations is central to the western military doctrine anyway, and if they didn't want that, they wouldn't have hired us.
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OPERATION HOT'N BOTHERED STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES (in order of importance): -Protect own assets This is our only real Strategic objective in this theater. It is important that everyone understands that all other objectives are support objectives to this one. OPERATIONAL OBJECTIVES (in order of importance) -Remain in 100% control of own territory with no violations of our borders. -Retaliate if our borders are violated -Destroy enemy long range SAM capabilities -Destroy enemy long range strike capabilities -Destroy enemy Aircraft assets -Destroy enemy naval assets -Avoid violating US airspace -Keep an eye on Iceberg and Natives bases. 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GOLD ZONE is a strict no fly zone. -From here: altitude can be at any height -CALLGIRL will proceed to ORANGE ZONE to provide CAP -SQUEALER will remain and fire up her ECM -MAGIC WAND will proceed to BLUE ZONE and start emitting at high altitude -OGLER will proceed to fly low towards PINK ZONE untill either a RADAR or MAMBA is spotted.If fired upon they will turn around -LASH will proceed to engage any RADAR EMITTER or MAMBA BATTERY with all their ordnance -If LASH manage to take out either all long range RADAR EMITTERS or the MAMBA BATTERY or if we fail to detect any long range RADAR EMITTERS we Proceed to PHASE BALLS DEEP. If they fail at both we proceed to PHASE TROJAN. LASH use any remaining munition to target BASE 2 airstrip. PHASE TROJAN: -Remaining flights launch, same Proceedure as PHASE FOREPLAY. Proceed to BROWN ZONE. GOLD ZONE is still a strict no fly zone: -PEEPER and STALKER will proceed to patrol the GREEN ZONE. -OGLER will proceed to patrol RED ZONE. -SYBIAN and FLESHLIGHT will proceed to provide CAP in ORANGE ZONE -LASH Will rearm with SDBs and proceed to again attack the same targets in the PINK ZONE. -HOTEL JULIET will patrol RED zone, engaging any naval threats -BRAVO JULIET will patrol GREEN zone, engaging any naval threats -PURDY will proceed to provide CAP in PURPLE ZONE -MISSIONARY will strike unprotected naval targets in the GREEN ZONE -AREOLA proceed to be on standby wast of the GREEN ZONE -NIPPLE proceed to be on standby north of RED ZONE -THROB proceeds to patrol ORANGE zone PHASE BALLS DEEP: -SAME as PHASE TROJAN, except assembly at BROWN ZONE is no longer needed and GOLD ZONE is no longer a no fly zone. -STALKER proceeds to PINK ZONE to survey it. -CALLGIRL rearm with meteor loadout and proceed to provide CAP in ORANGE ZONE FLIGHTS SQUEALER Flight -1x EA-6B Prowler Full ECM loadout PEEPER flight -1x MQ-9 reaper gorgon stare STALKER flight 1x Sperwer LASH flight -4x Gripens Litening pod 2x IRIS-T 8 x SDB l 3x Drop tanks Rearm with 2x IRIS-T 4x Meteor Drop tank MAGIC WAND Flight -1x Saab S 100B SYBIAN flight -4x F-16 Peace Xenia III 2x IRIS-T 4x AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM 2x drop tanks 2x conformal tanks HOTEL-JULIET Flight -5x Tornados 2x Sea Eagles 2x IRIS-T Chaff flare pod Sky shadow 2x drop tanks BRAVO JULIET Flight -5x Tornados 2x Sea Eagles 2x IRIS-T Chaff flare pod Sky shadow 2x drop tanks PURDY Flight -6x F-4E Phantom II - Greek 4x AMRAAM 4x AIM-9L 3x drop tanks CALLGIRL flight -4x Gripens 2x IRIS-T 4x Meteor Drop tank OGLER flight -2x Mirage F.1CR Barax NG DECM Pod Rafael Recon Pod (SLAR) 2x drop tanks chaff MISSIONARY flight -2x AMX A.11 2x sidewinders 2x Mavericks 2x droptanks FLESHLIGHT flight -4x Kfir C.10 2x Derby 2x Python 5 droptank THROB flight BR.1150 Atlantique NIPPLE Flight KC-135 Tanker AREOLA flight VC10.K4 orcbuster fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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David Corbett posted:Hmm. I'm leaning towards frostbite on the concept that it is easier to ask for forgiveness than permission I think in context this is a particularly bad concept to go by. E: At the same time, getting fired and picking a better employer might not be that bad. Night10194 fucked around with this message at 02:44 on May 31, 2017 |
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Currently preferring Half-rear end, although leaving the Mamba alive is scary I don't like the reports from simulation about engaging it. Let's just run this mission by the numbers and give a good first impression to the new bosses. Also I looked up the Iris-T and that is a cool loving missile.
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Velius posted:Are any of the late war IJN/IJA airframes post-dated to 1946? I'd suggest choosing one of those if possible, I'm sure our employers would appreciate it. I believe Indonesia used some Zeros.
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My argument is that we can deal with living on the deck for one mission so we can get intel on St. Lawrence and what kind of buddies the Mamba has so that we can properly plan to kill it. Just farting off SDBs immediately isn't going to work very well if it isn't helpfully emitting to give us a location on it. Heck, for all we know, the thing might've been fried by the EMP.
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If radar is gone then we're safe. If they have AWACS it becomes our number one priority to take down.
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Slaan posted:I'll take the SU17M3 No, you pick a plane from 1945-1955 to pilot into thunderdome, then our order in that determines which of those planes we pick. Bacarruda posted:The sound and the Fury! Weak! It's actually not terrible! Perfidious non-fun-having optimizer!
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Now remember, before you pick a poo poo plane ask yourself this Does it have napalm and what effect would that have on ted nugents skin.
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