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Yuli Ban
Nov 22, 2016

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Because I have far too much time on my hands, I've decided to create a new theory of social and economic organization. For fun, you know?

I call it technism. I looked it up, saw no one was using this term for anything real useful, and decided to adopt it as my own.
And here it is!

https://radiomonkeys.net/2017/01/28/technism/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Technism/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vyrdism/



As of right now, it's serving as a catch-all for all those automation-based ideas. You the kinds: resource-based economy, Venus Project, basic income, fully automated luxury communism, etc. Technism is basically any ideology centered around automation. It's also the pursuit of automation— if you're all for using automation to free up labor costs, you're a technist.

And I created this fake guy, John Henry Vyrd, so I could retrofit Vyrdism in there.

Vyrdism = profiting from automation. Like, Market Vyrdism (essentially heavily/fully automated capitalism) and Marxism-Vyrdism (heavily/fully automated socialism).


Surprisingly, it's catching on. Some people are actually going through with this, making me feel like I've actually accomplished something in my pathetic little life: https://www.reddit.com/r/Vyrdism/comments/5d82w1/new_here_how_can_i_join_a_technocoop/


I even have my own little monad for it, which I totally didn't steal from the technocracy movement:


Since no one's assassinated me yet, I can only assume it's never going to take off, so it's really just a little fringe idea for some freaks and techno-utopians to play with.

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Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Wow, it's sorta like a politics/economics-focused version of Eripsa.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

Ytlaya posted:

Wow, it's sorta like a politics/economics-focused version of Eripsa.

Was thinking the same thing. Guess we'll see if this brings him back out of the woodwork.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
You know OP typically if you don't want to be a complete crank you would position your theory in relation to other actually existing theories and explain what your theory accomplishes that previous theories didn't. Also maybe base your ideology on a less crackpot notion than the idea that we're anywhere near the point where human labour will become superfluous.

Ytlaya posted:

Wow, it's sorta like a politics/economics-focused version of Eripsa.

Eripsa would have written an OP that was at least five or ten times longer and I can't remember him ever displaying this level of self-awareness, even ironically:

Yuli Ban posted:

...I have far too much time on my hands...

...making me feel like I've actually accomplished something in my pathetic little life...

...I can only assume it's never going to take off, so it's really just a little fringe idea ...

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
I love how people try to come up with complex, moral, or technocratic solutions to the incoming automation disaster, when it's pretty much 100% capitalist boots stamping on human faces forever, no matter what.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich
is this a steampunk thing? i get that vibe

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

What's the difference between a Technist and a Capitalist because I don't see one.

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

You should mix this with Roko's Basilisk, convince the stupid nerds who worship it their AI god wants them to smash capitalism.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Also the "means" in that triangle are owned by the capitalists, so it's not like they represent something different. Specialized labor needed to operate complex machinery has always been necessary; it's just that there's fewer positions for unskilled labor now.

More generally speaking, I wish that people like the OP or Eripsa would just accept that they don't really have what it takes to come up with monumental political/economic/philosophical theories, and that's okay. Neither do I! It just seems like, for some people, the idea of coming up with a Big Idea is so appealing that they feel the need to keep trying.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Ytlaya posted:


More generally speaking, I wish that people like the OP or Eripsa would just accept that they don't really have what it takes to come up with monumental political/economic/philosophical theories, and that's okay. Neither do I! It just seems like, for some people, the idea of coming up with a Big Idea is so appealing that they feel the need to keep trying.

Eripsa came up with theories memorable enough people bring them up in threads like this that Eripsa didn't even post in. So he made some mark on people with his ideas.

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT
this is the zybourne clock of d&d


except it isn't funny

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

Is this the Federation?

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
I feel like he's going to recommend we watch the Zeitgeist series of films and I'm going to vomit.

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

i liked this thread better when it was run by eripsa

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

stone cold posted:

i liked this thread better when it was run by eripsa

Let's not say things we can't take back.

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Let's not say things we can't take back.

yeah fair enough

op hasn't handwaved away child sex trafficking yet

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

OP please incorporate tech priests into your thesis and we'll talk.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Eripsa came up with theories memorable enough people bring them up in threads like this that Eripsa didn't even post in. So he made some mark on people with his ideas.

I think it's more the way he defends his ideas (which result in really long threads that he heavily participates in) than the ideas themselves.

Regardless, I unironically enjoy his threads even if the ideas contained within are really goofy. It's like some sort of intellectual wrestling match where people try to pin down the specifics of his ideas so they can be debunked.

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Yeah yeah yeah, automated economy, whatever.

Here's the real question: when can shitposting be automated?

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

rudatron posted:

Yeah yeah yeah, automated economy, whatever.

Here's the real question: when can shitposting be automated?

I'm pretty sure the Russians have mastered it for Twitter at least.

Fansy
Feb 26, 2013

I GAVE LOWTAX COOKIE MONEY TO CHANGE YOUR STUPID AVATAR GO FUCK YOURSELF DUDE
Grimey Drawer
Can you make this idea into an easily shareable meme

y/n

(one answer will lead to success, the other failure)

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

rudatron posted:

Yeah yeah yeah, automated economy, whatever.

Here's the real question: when can shitposting be automated?

How do you think Dare constantly registers all those accounts?

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

stone cold posted:

yeah fair enough

op hasn't handwaved away child sex trafficking yet

Time vill tell. Sooner or later, time vill tell.

Yuli Ban
Nov 22, 2016

Bot

Helsing posted:

You know OP typically if you don't want to be a complete crank you would position your theory in relation to other actually existing theories and explain what your theory accomplishes that previous theories didn't.

Y'okay.

Sexbots own the means of the production. Not burzhui or proles. In a pure technist order, if I wanted to start a business, I get hosed in my dick until a droid cums in my prostate. And then that droid takes my business and I'm forced to take whatever scraps its allows me. Except that droid might also comprise of all other droids on Earth due to being some hivemind or whatever.
Something like that.

Or some variant of that. Maybe I do own that business, and my workers are just droids. Or maybe I don't own that business because we collectively own businesses, sharing the means of production right after we get done giving princesses high-impact lead poisoning. Point is: droids. Prostates.

Someone mentioned Zeitgeist or the Venus Project or something. No point linking to that; it's automated, so it's technist.

Amazon wants to open businesses with no workers? That's technist.

Foxconn replaces humans with robots? That's technist.

I overthrow the existing order and outlaw human labor so everyone has to rely on robots? That's technist.

Skynet destroys all humans? That's... well, that's technically technist but I'd love to hear Skynet explain how he's going to respond to the derivatives market.

In simplest terms: it's the opposite of Luddism. It could augmented capitalism, communism, feudalism, fascism, whatever. Or, if you give your life, your liberty, and your pursuit of your goddamn happiness over to the machines, it could be its own thing. But I doubt it.

Yuli Ban fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Mar 30, 2017

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
Hey, I looked for the "why would anyone want this" section in your write-up and didn't find it. Did you forget to add it?

Mecha Gojira
Jun 23, 2006

Jack Nissan
What's with weirdos and triangles?

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Mecha Gojira posted:

What's with weirdos and triangles?

They think they are woke.

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
Maybe instead of fixing all of society you and Eripsa can get together and design an internet space that is actually conducive to debate and discussion.

Yuli Ban
Nov 22, 2016

Bot

Fansy posted:

Can you make this idea into an easily shareable meme

Sexbots own the memes of production

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Ytlaya posted:

Wow, it's sorta like a politics/economics-focused version of Eripsa.

isn't eripsa somehow successful with getting large # of followers online who doesn't understand any of the poo poo he's trying to say (because he himself doesn't understand it) but sound smart?

Sage Grimm
Feb 18, 2013

Let's go explorin' little dude!
Uh, no? IIRC he was basically a minor part of the blockchain community that his business partners were trying to create. The on-site "philosopher" to make it seem more legitimate, essentially. Followers never really appeared unless I stepped out too early and he managed to find online fertile ground somewhere.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
Eripsa didn't really have any followers. That's why he keeps coming here - we pay more attention to him than he gets anywhere else, even if it's almost entirely negative attention.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

Sage Grimm posted:

Uh, no? IIRC he was basically a minor part of the blockchain community that his business partners were trying to create.

Yeah, he was involved tangentially with Synero for a while, which he now downplays because of how hilariously it's crashed and burned.

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT

Yuli Ban posted:

Sexbots own the means of the production. Not burzhui or proles. In a pure technist order, if I wanted to start a business, I get hosed in my dick until a droid cums in my prostate. And then that droid takes my business and I'm forced to take whatever scraps its allows me. Except that droid might also comprise of all other droids on Earth due to being some hivemind or whatever.
Something like that.

you are trying way too hard.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Ok so you want to start a co-op for rich people. That's really great and all and I wish you luck, but I don't really see how this is uh. New? Useful? What is it exactly that you're hoping to achieve by destructively farming the california death wastelands with drones?


Dr. Fishopolis posted:

you are trying way too hard.

this whole thing is probably a really dumb joke

Yuli Ban
Nov 22, 2016

Bot

lollontee posted:

Ok so you want to start a co-op for rich people. That's really great and all and I wish you luck, but I don't really see how this is uh. New? Useful? What is it exactly that you're hoping to achieve by destructively farming the california death wastelands with drones?

1) I reckon it's something of a reaction to the endless discussion of basic income and treatment that it's the only possible solution to automation.

2) Some method of dealing with automation, even if it never takes off. Because I'd rather do something than become a primitivist and wind up enabling a world that would get knocked out by one of those many existential threats that primitivists pretend don't real.

And no, it's not a joke. And considering that the three subreddits collectively have about 1,500 subscribers, I'd say I'm probably more successful than whatever the gently caress Eripsa (who?) ever was.
Which isn't saying much. Like, at all.

Regardless, I can't see a real future for this thread since we'd just wind up talking about automation and there's already a massive thread for that. Just getting the idea out there, is all.

Yuli Ban fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Mar 30, 2017

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
What idea? We still don't understand what it is that you're proposing we do. Call GoPro and ask them to hand over their patents? What?

Yuli Ban
Nov 22, 2016

Bot

lollontee posted:

What idea? We still don't understand what it is that you're proposing we do. Call GoPro and ask them to hand over their patents? What?

quote:

Because I have far too much time on my hands, I've decided to create a new theory of social and economic organization. For fun, you know?

I call it technism. I looked it up, saw no one was using this term for anything real useful, and decided to adopt it as my own.
And here it is!

https://radiomonkeys.net/2017/01/28/technism/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Technism/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vyrdism/



As of right now, it's serving as a catch-all for all those automation-based ideas. You the kinds: resource-based economy, Venus Project, basic income, fully automated luxury communism, etc. Technism is basically any ideology centered around automation. It's also the pursuit of automation— if you're all for using automation to free up labor costs, you're a technist.

And I created this fake guy, John Henry Vyrd, so I could retrofit Vyrdism in there.

Vyrdism = profiting from automation. Like, Market Vyrdism (essentially heavily/fully automated capitalism) and Marxism-Vyrdism (heavily/fully automated socialism).


Surprisingly, it's catching on. Some people are actually going through with this, making me feel like I've actually accomplished something in my pathetic little life: https://www.reddit.com/r/Vyrdism/comments/5d82w1/new_here_how_can_i_join_a_technocoop/


I even have my own little monad for it, which I totally didn't steal from the technocracy movement:


Since no one's assassinated me yet, I can only assume it's never going to take off, so it's really just a little fringe idea for some freaks and techno-utopians to play with.

Hope this helps.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Yuli Ban posted:

Hope this helps.

gently caress you

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Yuli Ban
Nov 22, 2016

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lollontee posted:

gently caress you

Well you're the one asking a question that was answered in the OP.
What's the idea?

"Humans should own the robots to do their work for them, or the robots should own/run society." AKA: "all the automation-based buzzwords you keep on hearing on /r/Futurology with its own catch-all -ism".

Deal with that however you choose. Throw a revolution, build your own ASIMO, wait 100 years and buy stock in some automated business, create schizophrenic conspiracy theory-infested videos, it's not up to me to figure out how to organize society. I'm not even asking for anyone to do anything. I'm just creating a catch-all term for all those drat buzzwords. Hence why I said this thread's redundant since we already have an automation thread.

Yuli Ban fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Mar 30, 2017

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