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Tunicate posted:Somewhere there's a timeline where Accord took five minutes to calmly explain things to each half of Nier and got the gestalt project back on track. It's called fanfiction. (Note: This is not an endorsement of fanfiction) I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Add me to group that also promptly eliminated Weird Talking Machine as soon as the quest was finished. Did not care for him at all.
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Boomhauerbot isn't wrong to dislike the Forest Kingdom machines. They kicked him out because of a speech impediment.
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edit: wrong thread whoops! but for an actual post, i'm happy to see an lp of this. i really liked the run that was on SGDQ this year and I've been playing through myself. Hoping I can get caught up to the LP soon!
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I did quests against a big tub of health a couple of times and never learned my lesson. 20+ minutes whaling on a dude with an axe and bombs and a ton of items. And another that was worse. I am just too stubborn sometimes. Looking forward to some more main quest now. At this point on my first playthrough I was going to do five minutes of this mission to see what was up and leave it for another day. Several hours later, I had finished the route, done a bunch of the second, and only stopped because my controller gave out. Also it was stupid o'clock in the morning but I don't think that would have stopped me.
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That boy's got an unhealthy thirst for vengeance I tell you what.
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Will we meet Hankbot, Billbot, or Dalebot in this playthrough?
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THAT BOY AINT RIGHT THAT BOY AINT RIGHT THAT BOY AINT RIGHT THAT BOY AINT RIGHT THAT BOY AINT RIGHT
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White Coke posted:Will we meet Hankbot, Billbot, or Dalebot in this playthrough?
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AradoBalanga posted:I look forward to the weapon story behind Pocket Sand. Once there was a kingdom named Arlen. But the kingdom felt it needed no children. And so it drove them out. But when all the children left Arlen there were no young to take care of their old. Their old fed on our very old. And their very old who were not eaten wished they had been...eaten. Also, there was sand. It killed all the children somehow. chiasaur11 fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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Glazius posted:That boy's got an unhealthy thirst for vengeance I tell you what. that boy needs therapy
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A Jack of all Trades and Master of One. Dale was quite capable of killing small pests. He thought himself grand and didn't trust no one. Always dabbling with all sorts of jobs. He used the name Rusty to protect his reputation. When anyone suspected the truth.... POCKET SAND! Shi-sha!
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So, did moose bot turn himself into moose bot or was that a machine animal destroy the ecosystem thing like with the fish?The Dark Id posted:That’s big deal. It’s the treasure we’re seeking itself. First one is just a bit confusing as is. Should it be "no big deal" and "treasure, itself, we're seeking"?
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Zagglezig posted:So, did moose bot turn himself into moose bot or was that a machine animal destroy the ecosystem thing like with the fish? He was a machine that got saved by animals. So he glued antlers to himself and decided he was an animal now. (as Machine logic goes, this is actually very reasonable.)
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exploded mummy posted:that boy needs therapy I'm so happy somebody went for the Frontier Psychiatrist gag. Also, thank you for reminding me again that Frontier Psychiatrist exists.
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I can finally read this thread after being done with the game. I know it's supposed to be spoiler free but there were a lot of people hinting and speculating on clues in the beginning. Good to see I'm not too late. Original Nier was already one of my favorite games. This one may have been even better and I'm shocked by that. I assumed that Nier was lightning in a bottle, maybe even something that happened almost by accident. Especially given that Yoko Tako's other series, Drakkengard, I heard is not that good. I'm surprised at how much care went into it. All the little things in making it accessible like warning a player over and over about no auto save and having an easy mode. The little gameplay touches that I'm still discovering. (I beat the game without knowing that you could glide down a cliff by holding on to the pod) Every song having so many variations. It doesn't feel like everyone involved thought they were just making a sequel to a 50 rating score on metacritic game made by a mad man. It feels like everyone involved knew they were working on a sequel to a masterpiece and were making something special. More care feels like it went into this than Final Fantasy 15, which is crazy. Square just thought "It's half finished, good enough, gently caress it" for FF15. This, playing it after FF15, feels flawless and perfect in comparison. Thanks for doing this, TDI. Looking forward to going through this thread from page 18 where I left off.
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some guy on the bus posted:I can finally read this thread after being done with the game. I know it's supposed to be spoiler free but there were a lot of people hinting and speculating on clues in the beginning. Drakengard is suffering to play - but is also kind of brilliant in its own way. I love Drakengard - a game about the kind of people who would realistically be the "heroes" in a game where you kill tons and tons of sentient enemies (lovely monstrous assholes), but the gameplay really is... ungood. It sounds like you haven't read the original LP of Drakengard? Do so.
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some guy on the bus posted:It doesn't feel like everyone involved thought they were just making a sequel to a 50 rating score on metacritic game made by a mad man. It feels like everyone involved knew they were working on a sequel to a masterpiece and were making something special. That's accurate, actually. Platinum had a choice to make a game based on any Square IP they wanted to due to some agreement, and they picked Nier because they loved the game. Nier 1 is one of those games that quietly built up a strong fanbase over time after a disastrous release. EDIT: Drakengard 1 is absolutely worth an LP read. That game's story/characters/atmosphere are insane, it's just the gameplay that's total rear end. Also heavily recommend listening to the soundtrack, it's one of the best OSTs in gaming...in it's own special way.
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Playing the original Drakengard was an incredible experience and I'm glad I did it, but yeah, it's a terrible game. It's much better to read through the LP and just marvel at the fact that it ever existed, let alone launched a franchise.
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ultrafilter posted:Playing the original Drakengard was an incredible experience and I'm glad I did it, but yeah, it's a terrible game. It's much better to read through the LP and just marvel at the fact that it ever existed, let alone launched a franchise. TWO franchises! 
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:TWO franchises! AND A loving STAGE PLAY.
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And a partridge in a pear tree
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The partridge ate its own children and set the tree on fire.
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KamikazePotato posted:That's accurate, actually. Platinum had a choice to make a game based on any Square IP they wanted to due to some agreement, and they picked Nier because they loved the game. Nier 1 is one of those games that quietly built up a strong fanbase over time after a disastrous release. Yep, I didn't play original Nier until 2014 when someone on SA recommended it to me. I even came back with "Reviews say this is poo poo. Why are you recommending me this?" Then it was explained to me that reviewers are clueless and I discovered that yes, they are. I felt like I ripped off the company having just spent $7 for it at a GameStop. Of course the company didn't even exist anymore. I thought for sure there would never be another game like it.
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Contrary to how you'd guess Nier actually had pretty decent sales in Japan and I feel its reputation as a critically panned weirdo cult piece comes from the western reception. I played Nier totally blind upon its release and despite its roughness I never for a moment felt like I was playing a straight up bad game in any way. It helped that other more eccentric but technically less impressive games such as Demon's Souls had come out relatively shortly before so I was in a receptive mindset.
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Nina posted:Contrary to how you'd guess Nier actually had pretty decent sales in Japan and I feel its reputation as a critically panned weirdo cult piece comes from the western reception. I played Nier totally blind upon its release and despite its roughness I never for a moment felt like I was playing a straight up bad game in any way. It helped that other more eccentric but technically less impressive games such as Demon's Souls had come out relatively shortly before so I was in a receptive mindset. Has it ever been narrowed down why western revowers hated the game so much? And speaking of the subject Any (not so fun) tale of reviwers being completely wrong about the game? Such as, I believe, benneth the sage of (at the time) that guy with the glasses saying the game had a poo poo story and flat characters? (I believe it was even specifically co e ting on the cute yonah diary entries in the loading screens) Hell, have ANY reviwers ever gone back and looked the game over after it became a cult hit?
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Arkanumzilong posted:Has it ever been narrowed down why western revowers hated the game so much?
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Reviewers couldn't follow a red X and told everyone the game sucked because of a fishing minigame when said area was way out of their league. See: https://lparchive.org/NIER/Update%2014/
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Jim Sterling rated it mediocre 5.5/10 but basically said the story was great and gameplay and side quests were not. Closing statement was players should decide if the tedium was worth it to them and then suggested mainlining the game and ignoring side quests to get the best experience.
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I wonder if reviewers made it to Ending B. I'm thinking they didn't. Did any of them that hated it mention it? There are plenty of times game reviewers all get something wrong collectively. It's weird when that happens. Makes you wonder if they even play through them or just try them for a hour or two. Going by reviewers, GTA 4 is about the perfect game. FF13 is a better game than Nier. I haven't met any non-reviewer that shares these opinions.
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Action rpgs should have a decent controls, the core gameplay should feel satisfying. It's what you're going to be doing for hours on end after all. Take any Nier 1 gameplay video and watch how everything moves. You can tell how it controls just by doing this. Now, back to back, watch Automata gameplay. The difference should practically slap you in the face. For me it is the main point of criticism for Nier 1 that it absolutely deserves, and that alone should knock review scores down. It's the main reason why Nier 1 is an amazing experience rather than an amazing game.
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some guy on the bus posted:I wonder if reviewers made it to Ending B. I'm thinking they didn't. Did any of them that hated it mention it? There are plenty of times game reviewers all get something wrong collectively. It's weird when that happens. Makes you wonder if they even play through them or just try them for a hour or two. Going by reviewers, GTA 4 is about the perfect game. FF13 is a better game than Nier. I haven't met any non-reviewer that shares these opinions. They just don't have time to play for 40+ hours that's all. You have to remember it's a job for them with everything that entails. Also it doesn't help that most money that review sites get is from video game advertisement. Then big companies have huge PR budgets. People joke about the whole fishing thing, but the truth is if Nier had a big PR budget the reviewers would be flown to a 5 star hotel, played in a nice room with A/C and a developer behind them guiding them. So a situation like that would never happen. Imo it's a conflict of interest and I haven't read a single video game review in years. That's why I just watch my twitch streamer of choice if I want to get an opinion about a game. You can't fake live gameplay.
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Arkanumzilong posted:Hell, have ANY reviwers ever gone back and looked the game over after it became a cult hit? Reviewers don't "apologize" for reviews, the best they can do is be really nice to the sequel (such as all the people that trashed dark souls but then gave dark souls 2 glowing reviews when it has the exact same problems amplified)
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darealkooky posted:Reviewers don't "apologize" for reviews, the best they can do is be really nice to the sequel (such as all the people that trashed dark souls but then gave dark souls 2 glowing reviews when it has the exact same problems amplified) Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Dark Souls II and Dark Souls III have almost identical review skewing, I'm not sure where you're getting that at all
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Im gonna ask this early, please don't talk about Demon's/Dark Souls game reviews anymore. It always leads to the same pointless poo poo throwing and smarminess, that kind of goes with discussions of those games in general when I think about it. So please, for the love of god, think of what you are doing.
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some guy on the bus posted:I wonder if reviewers made it to Ending B. I'm thinking they didn't. Did any of them that hated it mention it? There are plenty of times game reviewers all get something wrong collectively. It's weird when that happens. Makes you wonder if they even play through them or just try them for a hour or two. Going by reviewers, GTA 4 is about the perfect game. FF13 is a better game than Nier. I haven't met any non-reviewer that shares these opinions. For the most part, for most of gaming history any given AAA game is going to get at least an 8 unless it's an obvious incredible broken trainwreck, in which case it might dip down as low as a 5 because that's What's Expected and people get mad if they don't. Meanwhile, because reviewers have to play a whole lot of game, any game that seems janky is going to have an uphill battle to prove it isn't shovelware. See: God Hand Also the combat in Nier isn't great, but it's fine and people who wine about it being terrible are primadonnas.
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Episode XLIX: Carrier Music: Rays of Light (Quiet) .jpg) The tyranny of the sidequest block has ended. With possibly a couple exceptions, we’re locked into main plot quests from here on out until we hit the first ending of NieR: Automata. We have opted to skip a few available quests. Most will be canceled with this next story beat. But that’s fine. We’ll have another chance to do them later. They are:
.jpg) In order to initiate the next story beat quest, we need to return to the western edge of the Flooded City. A variety of machine lifeforms are hanging out admiring the missile launch platforms in the distance. .jpg) Among the machine lifeforms present are a handful of Medium Bipeds and Fliers... .jpg) ...the disappointingly non-dinosaur like, despite leg configuration and tail attachment, Reverse-Jointed Goliath... .jpg) ...and a Medium Flyer to cap it off. He brings some shield-wielding Stubby friends. It doesn’t go well for any of ‘em. As soon as the area is cleared, the Commander rings up our party. No doubt she’s wondering why the hell it took 2B and 9S like over half a month to finally get their asses to the other side of the city and do their jobs. I somehow don’t think the Commander would be thrilled with “helping a machine clear out a rival gang of wild hogs” or “murdered a moose so local Resistance fighters could make moose burgers” as reasons for our dereliction of duty. .jpg)  Commander? Emergency orders incoming. The carrier ship that was sent to resupply has come under attack. It’s currently being engaged by a swarm of machines. I’ve asked all YoRHa troops in the city ruins for assistance, and I’ll need you to provide backup as well. I’m sending flight units and coordinates now. Good luck. Out. *disconnects*New Music: The Sound of the End (Medium Instrumental) .jpg) Well, it’s been a while since we last did a shmup mission. Guess what the entirety of this next segment is going to involve heavily...? Before jumping in these flight units, if you’re not too hot on dual-stick shooters, Deadly Heal chips make this next portion of the game utterly trivial. 2B may as well be invincible. Unless she’s in Hard Mode or above, in which case she’ll still die in like 2-3 hits. Hard Mode is still extremely poorly balanced. .jpg) Whoo-pch! If she didn’t order others around, what kind of leader would she be? Hmm... If you say so..jpg) .jpg) 9S, come on my dude. Her name is literally YoRHa Commander. That’s kind of her thing. That’s like bitching about Murderbot being a robot that keeps murdering people. You know what you’re getting into as soon as you hear the name. And besides, you two have slacked off from doing this job for weeks. If she was a slave driver she’d have phoned up days ago and demanded to know what hell you were doing back while you were desecrating a grave or photographing flowers. .jpg) We’re immediately thrust into a shmup section against a swarm of fliers passing through the area, switching several times between auto-scrolling and free movement. There’s no difference from previous shooter segments. We now have the Laser weapon as an alternative fire mode. I don’t care much for the laser in shmup parts. The limited range of the attack and its somewhat sluggish movement when changing direction are really evident here. It is effective taking out lines of enemies quickly with its penetrating fire. But ehh... firing traditional bullets just feels right in a top-down shooter. It is worth remembering we now have THREE missile spamming super attacks. One for each pod weapon type. That’s some major damage output if utilized correctly. .jpg) It’s also worth mentioning that strangely shooter gameplay segment enemies are the only main plot foes that fully level-scale along with 2B. They will always be within her level range. If we power leveled to max Level 99 we’d come here facing a squadron of Level 99 Flyer machines. And then the very next ground based mission we’d be back to facing like Level 25-30 boys again. Couldn’t tell you why this is the case. Since the same doesn’t hold true for bosses or even mid-bosses in these sections. .jpg) Eventually, we come upon the Resistance carrier under siege. No fancy sci-fi technology here. There’s just a 20th century aircraft carrier still active in the Pacific several millennia later. I guess they built those things to last... .jpg)  Requesting support from any friendly units in range. We’ve come under heavy fire from the enemy. Our escort ship has taken damage and is unable to engage. We’re currently resisting with all remaining support fighters, but we can’t hold them off for long. I repeat this is carrier Blue Ridge II. We need immediate backup from any available android forces. .jpg) .jpg) Sorry Blue Ridge II. Though 2B and 9S may have a rather lackadaisical work ethic when it comes to completing primary assignments, they also seem to be the only YoRHa units that seem to ever do anything in the region. I somehow don’t think those two YoRHa soldiers getting stoned out in the desert are going to show up to this shindig... Several dozen destroyed machine fliers later... .jpg) Looks to be 2.8 klicks southwest of us!.jpg) Well that’s new. It’s nice to see the aliens actually had some flying saucers among their invasion forces. I’d frankly be disappointed otherwise. There’s a drama CD involving Emil that suggests they started out straight up having War of the Worlds type crafts before the machine lifeforms got involved. .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) We should probably go ahead and take this thing out before it gets any funny ideas and tries to Independence Day the carrier. We don’t need any more sequels to ID4. That first one was dreadful enough. .jpg) Meet the Goliath Flyer. We technically saw a few of these trashed behind the glass in the buried alien mothership. But this is the first one we’ve seen in active service. .jpg) Like most all shmup gameplay enemies, this thing just loves spamming energy orbs all willy-nilly. There’s not much of a tangible pattern to the orb spam. It just sweeps the area in general waves. .jpg) .jpg) The Goliath Flyer also possess a fairly damaging laser beam attack. This can be slightly tricky to dodge because the beam starts at an angle off-screen and can sweep weirdly. Its hitbox is also far larger than the beam looks. Also sometimes you might find yourself spacing out concentrating fire on the ship and just eat it when a plasma cannon fires in your grill. These things happen... .jpg) Finally, the Goliath Flyer has some missile pods. Same sort of extremely lazy semi-seeking variety that was equipped on Engels. The machines weren’t the most inventive when it comes to anti-air technology. Orbs. Laser cannon. Missiles. That’s all you need, right? Done. .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) Despite its size, the Goliath Flyer has only middling overall HP and goes down in a matter of minutes. No second phase or follow-up units. It just rolls over and explodes. Well that was easy! What were you muppets even freaking out over? 2B had that handled. 9S was also present, I guess. .jpg) Reverting back to area reconnai— Wait! I’m still picking up a large enemy presence! Didn’t I kill that already? What on...? If it’s that big, we should be able to see it... ...One of these days we’re going to fully succeed with one of our missions. No strings attached. No sacrifices to destroy the enemy. No Pyrrhic victory. Just a straight across the board mission success on 2B and 9S's records. This is not one of those days...  .jpg) Welp. This is happening now. Tune in next time when 2B and 9S take on a leviathan named after a 19th century German radical socialist and ponder the need for a bigger boat.    Video: Episode 49 Highlight Reel (You should watch this.)    Blue Ridge II Carrier Concept Art – Yep... That’s a big ole ship right there. It could probably afford to be carrying more, honestly. The Dark Id fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Jul 12, 2017 |
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