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Lord_Magmar posted:I would say that the screaming and murdering 2B after the Machine Code swaps can be easily explained as 9S killing something using her face to torment him and him going crazier. Hey, he stabbed her by his own volition.
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Like I said before, the discrepancy is that 9S's "memories" aren't his. There's definitely material that 9S couldn't have memorized himself; i.e, the scene at the Abandoned Factory Engels. There are four different interpretations: -The devs hosed up. This is the easiest interpretation; Yoko Taro doesn't design things as perfectly tight, and including the Abandoned Factory scene is an oversight. -9S recovered his memories from a secondary back-up. This is possible in another way, but I think the circumstances of the events make it improbable. -Those are 2B's memories. This is the interpretation I prefer, since while 9S could not have remembered the incident, 2B would have done so. 9S is insisting that these are his memories, but at the same time, he's concluding that the Tower system is designed to bomb the moon, an unsound leap of logic. Recall that the tower system is intended to absorb android data as well, as the machines have full access to YoRHa's back-ups, as well as whatever information they managed to absorb from using the logic virus on YoRHa androids. Moreover, 9S identifies the object in front of him as 2B's data--i.e, why put 9S's memories and have them surround 2B, when the natural accompaniment would be 2B's memories instead? -These are the records of machine surveillance. If 9S's memories aren't his, they don't need to be 2B's either. Note that all the memories are from the third-person perspective, which is not how either android would have remembered them. I think the key point of this is, the machines have the ability to rip YoRHa data and plant it in their network as needed. The data we see in front of 9S is, in the ontology of the game, 2B. Even when the data reverts from the black-cube form to 2B, 9S continues stabbing at her in abject rage, instead of acting horrified and stopping. Anyways, I think I've solved my problem regarding this scene. Let's keep going.
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jyrque posted:Hey, he stabbed her by his own volition. I'll repeat something I said earlier: textually, androids are sadomasochists. Jackass says so outright. Factor this into 9S's disintegrating sanity and the things Adam told him earlier. 9S is a decent kid, but there is some DARK poo poo in his brain, and he's just suffered incredible mental trauma.
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...! posted:I like how 9S has no reaction to learning that he is part machine. Even his AI routines are machine in nature.
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Hey it this document. I didn't recall you got it this early, probably because we get an extended version later apparently and I'm confusing the two. Man, a DrakeNier researcher deciding something would be too inhumane to implement? I have to call bullshit. Although to be fair, the alternate solution they found was to torture some (well, a lot of) prisoners of war, so it probably still checks out.
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Omobono posted:Man, a DrakeNier researcher deciding something would be too inhumane to implement? I have to call bullshit. To be fair, the "inhumanity" of using machine cores was because they considered everything about YoRHa to be completely expendable. So hey, it's really inhumane science by a different name.
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ultrafilter posted:Given that the whole point of this resource unit is to mess with 9S, do we really trust the bit about Yorha black boxes being repurposed machine cores? That could just be a lie from the network to get at 9S. The point of the resource recovery units is to recover resources and compress data something something tower payload. loving with 9S is just a side benefit. Or did you think the machines built all this poo poo in the time between the Bunker exploding (without 9S on it) and 2B getting shanked?
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Side note: I think one of the reasons that I never got tired of hacking is that the sound effect when you transition from the 'real' world to cyberspace is incredible. Always put me in the mood for some Hackerman time.
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ZiegeDame posted:The point of the resource recovery units is to recover resources and compress data something something tower payload. loving with 9S is just a side benefit. I mean, maybe? Adam was able to whip up the Copied City pretty quickly all things considered...
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9S broke. I repeat, Hackerboy has turned wacko. Weirdly enough, I like 9S better when he goes crazy, feels more like DrakeNieR when you control some murder-crazy guy/gal. Emotions are [not] prohibited.
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Dr. Snark posted:To be fair, the "inhumanity" of using machine cores was because they considered everything about YoRHa to be completely expendable. They decided that using common AI for YoRHa was too inhumane and they actually searched for and found an alternative solution instead of simply shrugging. That is what I never imagined a DrakeNier researcher doing. The alternative solution is as horrible as the original proposal but baby steps, baby steps.
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I'm continually straight up amazed at how good the voice acting in this game is. Poor Nines. The least we can do is call him by his dumb nickname. 
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Leraika posted:The least we can do is call him by his dumb nickname.
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Dr. Snark posted:I mean, maybe? Adam said he'd been working on the Copied City for a long time, and that sheer number of android corpses doesn't just appear overnight.
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Random Hajile posted:If you want to die in the next cutscene, you go right ahead and do that. Is this a spoiler? This better not be a spoiler.
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Come And See posted:Is this a spoiler? It's a reference to what happened after 2B finally called him Nines.
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Yeah, relax. Not every joke is a spoiler.
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Charles_Kinbote posted:I think the key point of this is, the machines have the ability to rip YoRHa data and plant it in their network as needed. The data we see in front of 9S is, in the ontology of the game, 2B. Even when the data reverts from the black-cube form to 2B, 9S continues stabbing at her in abject rage, instead of acting horrified and stopping. Remember way back in Route B when 9S was commenting on how easy the YorHa server was to hack, almost as though there was a deliberate vulnerability?
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drat. Okay so knowing now that machines and YoRHa are virtually the same (and there was Adam and Eve before that who might as well have been androids). And knowing that the machine network has just been toying with them all along and could have wiped them out at any time, but didn't...AND is now collecting resources for launching something big, I have a theory that I actually don't want to speculate too much more about, just in case I'm right.
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Zoe posted:drat. You're perfectly free to speculate I think, it's a problem when people who know what's going to happen start to wink wink nudge nudge at whatever you write that's the issue. Or people who just straight up spoil things for people and then whine when they don't want to admit they spoiled things. As someone who has beaten the game, I always like seeing speculation from people who haven't beaten it, or have only followed TDI's threads. It's up to TDI and the mods as to what is acceptable though. Edit: I just re-read the OP, and saw this. quote:
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NO SPOILERS! NOT IN TAGS! NOT ANYWHERE! THIS INCLUDES SUPPLEMENTARY MATERIALS AND VIDEOS AND WHATNOT!
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Yeah...the non specific problem with the document Id mentioned...I was awfully confused later in the game because of it. But let's not speak any further than it being confusing.
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 Episode CXXV: Die Alone .jpg) Welp... That all happened. I’m going to go out on a limb and say 9S’s mental state isn’t doing so hot of late. I feel like that earlier blurb with the Tower’s function had an omitted blurb about the secondary mission objective of specifically loving with YoRHa Unit 9S for shits and giggles. Let’s see if the Pods have similar concerns with their regular chapter opening check-ins. .jpg)  Affirmative. His mental state has become dangerously unstable. Action must be taken immediately.  I noticed something while providing support to A2. Enemy machine lifeforms have begun sharing data with each other. We’d better look into that. I’ll share the data with you, so see what you can find out. Affirmative. I also have a separate report about 9S... What is it? I’ll share the data. His psychological state has deteriorated to a grave level. We’d better handle that quickly, too. Agreed. ...... ............ Not sure what we should do, however. Agreed. Proposal: Rest, combined with data checking and maintenance. Agreed. I will make the suggestion immediately. .jpg)  <body sparking> Pod, where’s the next resource-recovery unit? Alert: NFCS failure. Speculation: Failure caused by intense combat and lack of maintenance. <sparking again> Near-field controls are down? Great... Proposal: Overhaul system at Resistance camp. I don’t have that kind of time. Alert: Entering battle without a functioning sword constitutes unacceptable risk. Unit 9S should have Devola initiate repairs at the Resistance camp. <butt sparking> poo poo... Music: Blissful Death .jpg) Well, this feels familiar but I cannot quite place why... I mean, other than that previous player character being completely jacked at this exact same spot and having to take a death march half-way across the map. .jpg) 9S isn’t nearly as on the ropes as 2B was for the similar segment. For the duration he’s unable to use any melee attacks or Pod Programs (2B could still at least use melee when she wasn't limping.) Pod Fire is still active at all times though. 9S’s body will spark and he’ll go into a no jumping/dash limping mode for a few seconds. But the duration isn’t nearly as long as 2B’s similar circumstances. .jpg) Also, 9S doesn’t have to travel remotely as far and there’s about one-fifth as many enemies littering the area. Also... he can just hop in an Access Point and teleport over to the Resistance Camp in about a minute. So... that’s an improvement. .jpg) Since I’m a dope, I decided to walk the whole way to the Resistance Camp and BOY, you wouldn’t believe what you’d miss if you didn't do this... .jpg) It’s honestly amazing what happens if you manually run back to Devola and Popola. It’s amazing how many people probably missed this and lost out on the ultimate Drakenier reward... .jpg) Nothing happens and you get an extra five minutes of your life wasted for no reason! .jpg) And now you know! Such are the hidden joys found in Yoko Taro’s gameplay loops. .jpg) Music: ENDS .jpg) Anyway, yo... Devola... Popola... our boy 9S here is all kinds of hosed up. You two wanna come take a look at him. .jpg) Also his body is sparking regularly and you two should probably check that out too. .jpg) Wounded in battle. NFCS not functioning. I’m amazed you were even able to drag yourself here. This is gonna take a bit, so just hang tight..jpg)  I can’t believe you even managed to walk here. .jpg) Despite Devola’s claim this will take a bit, she sorts out 9S in all of about five seconds. He’s good to go now. Without so much as a thanks, 9S immediately tries to wander off and resume his mission. But... Music: Peaceful Sleep .jpg) Don’t die alone. ...... I don’t think 2B would want that either. I know..jpg) Ah, don’t worry. I don’t think 9S is going to be dying alone anytime soon. Slipping into madness out in the middle of nowhere, though? Now that might be a bit trickier to avoid in the future. Anyway, now that 9S is back and ready to throw himself headlong into scenarios where a machine lifeform entity is clearly just loving with him constantly, let’s get back to the mission. .jpg) Affirmative..jpg) Not even going to try to tell 9S to take a break for a day... maybe do some fishing? What did you just discuss doing Pod...? Sheesh. .jpg) Music: Amusement Park (Quiet Vocal) .jpg) As we know, the final Resource Unit is found over at the Amusement Park zone. There’s nothing in our way between us and it as the Amusement Park machines are all still lobotomized but passive zombies. So... .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) To the final temple we go. Surely something good will happen when 9S obtains all three keys and enters the multi-mile tall doom tower/cannon. .jpg) <completely over this poo poo contempt> Over and over...The final Resource Unit has seen it fit to straight up crash through the bridge leading to the castle, allowing easy access for any curious android to waltz right in. Well, no time like the present! .jpg) This reads: “god box.” God, huh... What are these machines doing talking about gods?.jpg) Right... 9S technically wasn’t there for the whole “become as gods” business, just a bunch of machines going nuts with 2B trying to book it. Yeah, you missed this whole thing kid. But eh... don’t worry about it. It’d probably just piss you off further at this point. .jpg) Up we go to the penultimate dungeon of NieR: Automata... Meanwhile... .jpg) Music: ENDS .jpg)  Why did the machines attack Pascal’s village? Aren’t they all the same? Unknown. Well, aren’t you helpful. Proposal: Unit A2 should gather further data on the current state of machine li—.jpg)  <crackle echoing for miles> Huh!? We’ve got some VERY exciting news for everyone today! There’s only ONE lock left to remove on the Tower sub-units! And in order to repay you for your faithful patronage... whoever dismantles the final sub-unit will earn a SPECIAL PRIZE! Gooooood luck!.jpg) Large structural unit of machine lifeform origin activated to the east. A large what now? What the heck is going on around here? Unknown. Well, let’s go check out this “large structural unit.”.jpg) Well, A2 is free to go anywhere. But since we’ve done every sidequest available to her in the game... there’s not much point. If you’re wondering, we can take A2 over to the Machine Village ruins to see Pascal. She has the same exact reaction as 9S so there’s nothing worth going out of our way to see. .jpg) .jpg) Well, then... Tune in next time as we undoubtedly improve 9S’s deteriorating mental state by having him reunite with the android that sent him on a warpath by killing the only person he cared about. Pods... you are really bad at this not having 9S go bonkers thing... Geez!    Video: Episode 125 Highlight Reel (You should probably watch this.)   Resistance Camp Concept Art – I want to say that was actually the last time we ever have to go to the Resistance Camp for any story or sidequest related reason. The Dark Id fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Dec 7, 2017 |
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I am still pretty sure I could use rapid fire during the 2B segments (at first)
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The Repo Man posted:You're perfectly free to speculate I think, it's a problem when people who know what's going to happen start to wink wink nudge nudge at whatever you write that's the issue. Or people who just straight up spoil things for people and then whine when they don't want to admit they spoiled things. It occurred to me that if the machine network may be as dedicated to the idea of the keeping the forever war going as the Commander was, in which case, now that the Bunker's gone and YoRHa's all but wiped out, better start cranking out some new opposition fast! If they're not doing anything with the moon--and they know there's no reason to because they've had full access to YoRHa's files etc--then maybe the plan is to rebuild the Bunker and start the cycle over again. It's a little late in the game and there's already too much that still needs explaining for completely new out of left field plot developments to be coming out of nowhere and that's the most hosed up thing I could imagine them doing while still sticking to the established themes. Or after this update I guess it's just as easily a possibility that Yoko is trolling us all and our last two protagonists are just going to murder each other and we never find out poo poo about poo poo.
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Is TDI going to stuff in the DLC right before the final sequence? Because the part where I'm waiting for the game is end is killing me.
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euphronius posted:I'm going to need like 20 posts of exegesis when this is over. Don't worry, judging by how great this thread is with spoilers and arguments, you'll get it in about 3 pages, well before the game is close to over.
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The Dark Id posted:
And I'm sure 9S is going to take as many people as he can with him when he dies. Thanks Dev/Pop!
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Well, at least someone was aware that mental state is important. Too bad they didn't really know how to help with improving it, but at least they acknowledged the fact that it was a problem.
I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Are the pods getting more conversational or is it just me? Using contractions and stuff.
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So yeah, 9S is no longer loving this poo poo.
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World War Mammories posted:Are the pods getting more conversational or is it just me? Using contractions and stuff.
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World War Mammories posted:Are the pods getting more conversational or is it just me? Using contractions and stuff. No, I noticed it too. And considering there's already been an "endless cycle" motif going, I'm interested in seeing how much of your theory pans out, Zoe.
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Stephen9001 posted:Well, at least someone was aware that mental state is important. Too bad they didn't really know how to help with improving it, but at least they acknowledged the fact that it was a problem. They tried! 153 sabotaged 9S's NFCS so he'd have to go to the twins, hoping for a full data overhaul. Unfortunately they didn't do their job.
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The Lone Badger posted:Unfortunately they didn't do their job.
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Maybe the Pods are just getting tired of everyone's poo poo. "9S is going bonkers - A2 doesn't give fucks about anything. - Let's just let them do whatever they want and be done with this crap" Sounds like something that could happen. And if Jackass were to know about it, she'd even add "hell yeah, you do that. FOR SCIENCE".
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"No, 9S. You are the pod." And then 9S was a pod. HR12345 posted:So yeah, 9S is no longer loving this poo poo.
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When I played this segment, I messaged a friend. I hadn't played the original NieR, so I was trying to piece together what had happened from the Project Gestalt reports. My question was: "Did the protagonist of NieR die alone?" My question was just met with laughter. Endless laughter. Having since read The Dark Id's LP of NieR, I kind of get why. ...anyway, the Pods are great.
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Gullwhacker posted:When I played this segment, I messaged a friend. I hadn't played the original NieR, so I was trying to piece together what had happened from the Project Gestalt reports. My question was: A Good Friend 
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