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forkboy84 posted:Ultimately the choice is stay in the UK, where the Scottish voice is ultimately insignificant as shown by the number of times in the past 50 years we've ended up with governments that Scotland didn't vote for. Nirelanders might have a fair complaint about their entire political system being deliberately marginalised, bit more tenuous for the Scots.
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wrt Labour's media performance it is really astounding how quickly people in the Labour commentariat have forgotten the Miliband era. The media office of the Party followed the New-Labour rulebook. Protege's from the New Labour era ran the show. It didn't, loving, matter. Come election time the papers right of the Morning Star turned on the party with varying degrees of whiplash and all the "goodwill" the media office had built up from puff pieces with Miliband's wife turned out to be worth precisely gently caress all.
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twoot posted:wrt Labour's media performance it is really astounding how quickly people in the Labour commentariat have forgotten the Miliband era. Turns out to be worth 232 parliamentary seats which is about twice as many as labour would get in an election tomorrow.
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Apr 1, 2017 16:02
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Pissflaps posted:Turns out to be worth 232 parliamentary seats which is about twice as many as labour would get in an election tomorrow. Miliband played the game and still lost. What do you think he should have done differently?
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twoot posted:Miliband played the game and still lost. What do you think he should have done differently? In case you're new here Pissflaps is just going to keep going "Not be Jeremy Corbyn" and "Jeremy Bad" over and over. Also it'd have helped if their press hadn't still been tory-lite. For all the "LABOUR WAS TOO LEFT WING" the stuff that stuck with me was the "Immigrants out", "We'll do an austerity, we were so irresponsible before but now we accept public services are a meaningless extravagance", and "We'll be even tougher on
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Apr 1, 2017 16:23
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Ed ran dave pretty close. If the scots hadn't deserted labour he'd be in power right now!
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Apr 1, 2017 17:07
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maybe labour should sponsor an actual communist insurgency to remind people what left wing looks like shift the overton window and that
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Apr 1, 2017 17:10
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I think its a clear case of occams razor
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forkboy84 posted:I have no faith in the progressive nature of the Scottish National Party but still think that while you can call one year a while, 1 budget is not enough to decide the SNP will never raise taxes. You're lurching off into Jedit conspiratorial territory with the SNP here. And at least Jedit's hatred of them is based on his personal experiences with their councillors in Aberdeenshire. It's not purely the fact that they haven't yet, it's that they haven't shown any political appetite for even discussing the issue. They've weaselled out of giving any answers every time the topic is brought up, they've failed to fulfil their promises on council tax, and generally shown their colours as a centrist party that offers no real challenge to the status quo aside from independence. They're also guilty of doing exactly what the Brexiteers did and promising an incredibly rosy future if only we 'take back control' while having no specific answers as to how it happens. forkboy84 posted:at Westminster they've proven to hold the government to account more effectively than the opposition despite having less than a quarter of the MPs. By what metric? Literally every minor party from the Lib Dems to UKIP have called themselves 'the real opposition' recently, and I've yet to see anyone explain what the phrase actually means in real terms.
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Breath Ray posted:Ed ran dave pretty close. If the scots hadn't deserted labour he'd be in power right now! Even if every single person in Scotland had voted Labour, the Conservatives would still have won a majority.
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jabby posted:By what metric? Literally every minor party from the Lib Dems to UKIP have called themselves 'the real opposition' recently, and I've yet to see anyone explain what the phrase actually means in real terms. Shouting a bit and looking really, really outraged. hyper from Pixie Sticks posted:Even if every single person in Scotland had voted Labour, the Conservatives would still have won a majority. This assumes the Tory messaging regarding the SNP had no effect in England.
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jabby posted:By what metric? Literally every minor party from the Lib Dems to UKIP have called themselves 'the real opposition' recently, and I've yet to see anyone explain what the phrase actually means in real terms. Well, the SNP did ask Bercow if they could be considered 'the real opposition'. Which is about as far as they've got with that programme. And they were told to gently caress off and do their loving jobs, in polite terms.
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https://twitter.com/ComedyCentralUK/status/847859783801737217
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Apr 1, 2017 18:39
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Crane Fist posted:Whiskey is legit an insanely huge scam Rigged Death Trap posted:Not peated whiskey You may both be right but it's not relevant to Scotland because in Scotland we make whisky.
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Apr 1, 2017 18:45
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Phenomenal
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I'm glad the boat race is facing disruption following the discovery of an unexplored wartime bomb.
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Apr 1, 2017 19:03
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Pissflaps posted:I'm glad the boat race is facing disruption following the discovery of an unexplored wartime bomb. Why?
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Apr 1, 2017 19:14
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Prince John posted:Why? Posh poo poo for horse face cunts.
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Apr 1, 2017 19:18
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Pissflaps posted:Posh poo poo for horse face cunts. But enough about you, what's wrong with a boat race?
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Apr 1, 2017 19:22
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Pissflaps posted:Posh poo poo for horse face cunts. Are you trying to boost your working class credentials?
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Apr 1, 2017 19:27
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I think the idea is that there's some people ITT who like boats.
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Apr 1, 2017 19:28
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Pissflaps posted:Posh poo poo for horse face cunts. Coming from a guy that shops at Pret a Manger.
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Apr 1, 2017 19:33
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I don't think we have one of those up here.
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Apr 1, 2017 19:34
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OwlFancier posted:I don't think we have one of those up here. Pissflaps isn't from proper Middlesbrough though.
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Praseodymi posted:Coming from a guy that shops at Pret a Manger. I've never eaten any of their products. The boycott continues. Prince John posted:Are you trying to boost your working class credentials? No need to boost anything - it's just what I am.
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Praseodymi posted:Pissflaps isn't from proper Middlesbrough though. I haven't a clue what this means.
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Praseodymi posted:Pissflaps isn't from proper Middlesbrough though. Even still I've never seen one, I assumed they were some kind of big city or southern thing.
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Pissflaps posted:I haven't a clue what this means. I thought you lived in something other than a safe Labour seat, therefore not proper Middlesbrough. Unless I'm mistaken. OwlFancier posted:Even still I've never seen one, I assumed they were some kind of big city or southern thing. I also can't recall ever seeing one, apparently Durham and Newcastle have one each though.
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Praseodymi posted:I thought you lived in something other than a safe Labour seat, therefore not proper Middlesbrough. Unless I'm mistaken. You are mistaken. Get a clue.
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jabby posted:It's not purely the fact that they haven't yet, it's that they haven't shown any political appetite for even discussing the issue. They've weaselled out of giving any answers every time the topic is brought up, they've failed to fulfil their promises on council tax, and generally shown their colours as a centrist party that offers no real challenge to the status quo aside from independence. They're also guilty of doing exactly what the Brexiteers did and promising an incredibly rosy future if only we 'take back control' while having no specific answers as to how it happens. I agree. The SNP are bad & I don't support them. Pretty sure I explained that already? Like I said, ScotPol exists, if you want to talk about the Scottish Parliament that's a better place than this. Pissflaps posted:Posh poo poo for horse face cunts. This is a good post that I agree with unreservedly. Spangly A posted:maybe labour should sponsor an actual communist insurgency to remind people what left wing looks like Yes, the labour movement should consider this. Though in the short-term it would be better giving up on bourgeois politics as a clear failure for enacting socialism and work to extra-parliamentary solutions which prepare the country for some long overdue class war.
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How do you feel about the potential for boundary changes to impact your constituency flaps
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I dont mean major disruption of course. Don't want anybody to get hurt. Just gently caress up the timetable, ideally get it cancelled. Make people waste their time and money trying to watch it. Party Boat posted:How do you feel about the potential for boundary changes to impact your constituency flaps I haven't given it much thought.
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Did you meet Mr Corbyn when he visited Middlesbrough Pissflaps? He seemed to have a nice time. https://twitter.com/EL4JC/status/848117848320901120
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No I wasn't on that bus.
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Paxman posted:Did you meet Mr Corbyn when he visited Middlesbrough Pissflaps? He seemed to have a nice time. Aww what, I didn't know he was up here. Also spelled Middlesbrough wrong.
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According to a friend of mine who lives in Gorton, George Galloway is apparently basically running the same "more Muslim than thou" campaign he used in 2012 in Bradford, but with the added twist of using Arron Banks' money to complain about Labour's "all-Asian shortlist".
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TinTower posted:According to a friend of mine who lives in Gorton, George Galloway is apparently basically running the same "more Muslim than thou" campaign he used in 2012 in Bradford, but with the added twist of using Arron Banks' money to complain about Labour's "all-Asian shortlist". Is Corbyn supporting Galloway or the Labour candidate?
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Apr 1, 2017 22:54
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Where can I vote for Pissflaps (again)?
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TinTower posted:According to a friend of mine who lives in Gorton, George Galloway is apparently basically running the same "more Muslim than thou" campaign he used in 2012 in Bradford, but with the added twist of using Arron Banks' money to complain about Labour's "all-Asian shortlist". What's this about Galloway teaming up with Arron Banks?
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