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 On April 16th there will be a constitutional referendum in Turkey, open to Turks around the world. An evet (yes) vote will change the constitution to make the sultan stronger, while a hayir (no) vote will keep the sultan as strong as he is right now. Naysayers worry about the potential for dictatorship, while evetsayers cite the need for streamlining Turkish government. Polls are unreliable but they have been trending slightly toward yes after the snafu over the government minister getting kicked out of the Netherlands and owned. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38883556 Fat Lowtax has issued a correction as of 20:43 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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erdogan seems real bad to me so anything that makes him less powerful is good
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Apr 1, 2017 20:42
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Well, polls are very divided with some having yes slightly ahead and others no, hence the Netherlands stunt Oh he scared
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Apr 1, 2017 20:50
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So we can pretty much write off Turkey if this passes, right? How is this any different from the Enabling Act of 1933 in Germany?
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Apr 1, 2017 20:56
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Alienwarehouse posted:So we can pretty much write off Turkey if this passes, right? How is this any different from the Enabling Act of 1933 in Germany? turkey is in a strategic military location so nobody in NATO will do anything about it lol
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Apr 1, 2017 21:00
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Alienwarehouse posted:So we can pretty much write off Turkey if this passes, right? How is this any different from the Enabling Act of 1933 in Germany? Yes Also it won't change much since erdogan does whatever anyway but it'll be a major defeat and destroy his aura of invincibility
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Apr 1, 2017 21:43
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It'll basically just be a "he bleeds!" moment for the opposition but at this point you take what you can get, especially with so many sharks around
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Apr 1, 2017 21:46
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Alienwarehouse posted:So we can pretty much write off Turkey if this passes, right? How is this any different from the Enabling Act of 1933 in Germany? As a democracy, yes. But it's too important an ally to throw out in the cold.
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Apr 1, 2017 21:47
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It's been remarkable watching Erdogan systematically piss off every one of his neighbours over the last decade.
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Apr 1, 2017 22:12
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Helsing posted:It's been remarkable watching Erdogan systematically piss off every one of his neighbours over the last decade. so what happens if erdogan wins and basically makes himself king. when he finaly goes back to his home in hell, won't the country implode? i mean he is basically a shittier dumber putin so i doubt he is planning much for when he finaly does die and the power vacum happens.
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Apr 1, 2017 22:22
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Bring back the House of Osman
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Apr 1, 2017 22:55
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good thing this forum has a paywall or this thread would be getting flooded by pro-erdogan spam bots
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Apr 2, 2017 00:39
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Darkman Fanpage posted:good thing this forum has a paywall or this thread would be getting flooded by pro-erdogan spam bots on pogosticks?
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Apr 2, 2017 00:42
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The disturbing thing is that it hasn't really cost him anything. Liberals in turkey have basically done nothing or flailed pointlessly. Thereby fulfilling the long liberal tradition of caving to fascists.
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Apr 2, 2017 00:57
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i mean there was a coup attempt lol
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Apr 2, 2017 00:59
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was there though. was it really
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Apr 2, 2017 01:10
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Didn't the coup basically just flush out every anti-Erdogan vestige from every government and military institution all at once leaving him stronger than ever? Almost like something a wily dictator would plan to purge his ranks?
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Apr 2, 2017 02:55
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rudatron posted:The disturbing thing is that it hasn't really cost him anything. Liberals in turkey have basically done nothing or flailed pointlessly. Thereby fulfilling the long liberal tradition of caving to fascists. Well, even worse in that liberals were pro-erdogan until he specifically rejected and abandoned them Like people forget this but erdogan was a favorite of even European greens and socdems until 2013 or so
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Apr 2, 2017 04:22
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remember when erdogan was considered to be good for Turkish democracy by essentially making the military irrelevant from the political process? good times
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Apr 2, 2017 04:26
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rudatron posted:The disturbing thing is that it hasn't really cost him anything. Liberals in turkey have basically done nothing or flailed pointlessly. Thereby fulfilling the long liberal tradition of caving to fascists. You want them to *ugh* vote with HDP!? *burps bile*
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Apr 2, 2017 04:33
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cargo cult posted:i mean there was a coup attempt lol a fake coup by lover of daesh and the house of saud , erdogan . If he had his way Turkey would be like Saudi Arabia
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Apr 2, 2017 04:57
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What caused Erdogan to go so batshit insane anyway?
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Apr 2, 2017 04:58
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Apr 2, 2017 05:37
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Alienwarehouse posted:What caused Erdogan to go so batshit insane anyway? middle eastern presidents/dictators/rulers/whatever are extremely paranoid usually because the USA/France/England/ETC likes to meddle in their poo poo and conspiracy theories are always abound.
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Apr 2, 2017 05:49
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Aside from the obvious history of foreign powers extensively meddling in their affairs for hundreds of years, I recall reading somewhere that the folklore tradition is riddled with clever assholes pulling off massive conspiracies and its just kind of a thing the same way Calvinism is deeply embedded in America
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Apr 2, 2017 05:57
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Maybe Erdogan isn't actually insane, but is just a moron who happens to know how to push all the right buttons of the reactionary inland hick masses.
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Apr 2, 2017 06:56
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Maybe Erdogan isn't actually insane, but is just a moron who happens to know how to push all the right buttons of the reactionary inland hick masses. If he believes what he says about Gülen then he's pretty loving crazy but it's not clear how much he believes his own propaganda.
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Apr 2, 2017 07:05
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Bip Roberts posted:If he believes what he says about Gülen then he's pretty loving crazy but it's not clear how much he believes his own propaganda. all the things about Gülen are true tho 
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Apr 2, 2017 07:24
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fetullah gulen owns tho
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Apr 2, 2017 08:06
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I'm going to vote no. I suggest taking the polls with a grain of salt; outside certain circles it is likely that people are hesitant to admit to leaning no. The government t is doing everything it can to suppress "no" propaganda, and with so much greater access to all the funding and equipment they need, they have no problem flooding out the oppoganda in even the most anti-akp districts. Still think yes will win & turkey will continue to get worse. As for myself, I will be going to the USA anyway. Looking forward to getting away from populist totalitarian regime & experience real freedom again.
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Apr 2, 2017 15:41
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Ps, my take on the coup attempt: a kernel of truth that was intentionally allowed to snowball
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Apr 2, 2017 15:43
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asaf posted:As for myself, I will be going to the USA anyway. Looking forward to getting away from populist totalitarian regime & experience real freedom again. I have some bad news for you.
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Apr 3, 2017 01:59
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Apr 3, 2017 02:00
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I'd like to congratulate President Erdogan on his imminent conquest of Syria
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Apr 7, 2017 05:58
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Turkey is already a fascist dictatorship, so i guess if this passes it'll be some sort of super dictatorship
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Apr 7, 2017 11:03
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Erdogan means we don't have to pretend to like Turkey anymore, now they're just another medieval shithole
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Apr 7, 2017 11:14
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Tingfinder posted:Turkey is already a fascist dictatorship, so i guess if this passes it'll be some sort of super dictatorship
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Apr 7, 2017 11:16
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jBrereton posted:Yeah unless the military shoots it down lol remember when everyone was clutching their pearls about how bad it would be if this were to happen
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The Brown Menace posted:remember when everyone was clutching their pearls about how bad it would be if this were to happen It did turn out pretty bad - for Turkey.
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