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Binged this all in one weekend while sick with a bad sinus infection. Holy poo poo I'm back at work now Monday and I'm definitely in a funk. Keep picturing the bathtub scene and it definitely left its mark. Show was good and left an impression that's for sure. My wife fell asleep before finishing the last 2 episodes and I'm waiting to hear her reaction when she gets home from work tonight and finishes it. This is one of those viewing experiences that sticks with you and leaves its mark. That is probably the highest praise I can give, poo poo was good.
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Finally got to the last episode. Isn't everything the counsellor said and did totally right? Am I seriously meant to believe he's in the wrong because he didn't magically know she wanted him to run after her? Man, this show is bad. Why did people tell me it gets better and rope me into watching this whole loving thing 
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Apr 24, 2017 23:28
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Escobarbarian posted:Finally got to the last episode. Isn't everything the counsellor said and did totally right? Am I seriously meant to believe he's in the wrong because he didn't magically know she wanted him to run after her? Man, this show is bad. Why did people tell me it gets better and rope me into watching this whole loving thing Uh, I'm thinking he was a little off base because his first response to "I was raped" was "lol nah I bet you wanted it"
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Apr 24, 2017 23:44
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That's most definitely not what happened in the scene I saw. Once he realises it had even the potential to be rape, he is very serious about it.
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Apr 24, 2017 23:46
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I was probably looking way too deep into it, but my assumption was the counselor's wife was going into labor - they made a point to show he had a newborn post-suicide, so the constant calls coming in I took to be his wife. Again, assumption, but my thoughts were that he probably called her right back when Hannah left and we didn't see him hauling rear end to get home to her. I "liked" it because it was just more proof that she had already made up her mind and was hoping for someone to notice - when it was not THAT obvious that she was crying for help. Ultimately that's what made this show amazing for me, it wasn't the story of a perfect girl that was constantly abused - she was deeply troubled and while genuine terrible things happened to her, she pushed those away that would have gladly helped. She was flawed, everyone was flawed.
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Apr 25, 2017 00:02
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Escobarbarian posted:That's most definitely not what happened in the scene I saw. Once he realises it had even the potential to be rape, he is very serious about it. The way he phrased things made it sound like he was looking out for the rapist and doubted her. I'm no mental health professional or counselor but he probably should have been checking her mental status before jumping into legal action; he was obviously distracted though.
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Apr 25, 2017 01:55
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He asks her about her clearly suicidal comment and she says it's nothing, but he clearly should have told others, her parents, something, other than letting it go. And if a student says "another student raped me", you definitely don't say "oh well I guess you just have to let it go since you won't tell me who it is". He's not a bad person for not following her like she assumed but his lack of action to what she told him was awful, distracted or not.
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Apr 25, 2017 02:08
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Escobarbarian posted:Finally got to the last episode. Isn't everything the counsellor said and did totally right? Absolutely not. The counselor didn't appear to have the slightest understanding of the law, much less the complexities of handling a situation like Hannah's. His response was so incompetent it was borderline malicious, and a convincing argument could be made that the show was irresponsible in making that the example it gives for what happens when you seek professional help. That's according to two people I've talked to on the matter, one being an adolescent psychiatrist who specializes in family and youth trauma response, the other being my wife, who is a trained therapist and spent most of that counselor scene yelling at the screen. (Apparently he actually started off doing pretty well, then things went downhill rapidly. We went from calmly watching the show to her sitting bolt upright going "WHAT THE gently caress DUDE" at a fictional guidance counselor in the span of, like, ten seconds.) Toaster Beef fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Apr 25, 2017 13:01
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E2: lol that Alex actually dated Jessica. I thought FOR SURE he was supposed to be the gay friend.
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Apr 25, 2017 13:01
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Finished this last night. Echoing other sentiments around here, it was super good if not flawed and I loved the soundtrack. Katherine Langford did an amazing job with that role, and I'm very much glad it ended up a full series with her rather than a Netflix Original starring Selena Gomez. That piss poor cover of "Only You" in the final episode almost ruined the entire thing. Also, Northern California is a dream land of fantastic high schools and gorgeous neighborhoods. Did the Alex denouement feel rushed or is that how it happens in the book? I kept expecting the teen with a gunshot wound in the ambulance to be the rear end in a top hat jock that terrorized the photographer.
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Apr 25, 2017 17:23
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Just finished E7. Was Hannah really mad at Zach just for stealing her compliment notes?
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Apr 25, 2017 19:08
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It was a bright spot in her day. Just listen to rest of the tapes already and things might start to make more sense.
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Apr 25, 2017 19:23
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Gaunab posted:Just listen to rest of the tapes already and things might start to make more sense.
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Apr 25, 2017 19:31
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Oh my god, I'm on episode 12 and cannot loving believe they made a plot point out of Hannah losing the bank deposit. I don't care if it was in the book. It's such contrived bullshit.
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Apr 25, 2017 23:38
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Is that not a believable thing for a kid to gently caress up, though? Nor is really dwelt on beyond providing some background to her state of mind.
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Apr 25, 2017 23:41
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hatelull posted:Did the Alex denouement feel rushed or is that how it happens in the book? That didn't happen in the book at all. They greatly expanded the supporting roles for the show. The book was just Clay going through the tapes - no lawsuit, no group of teens worrying about the tapes coming out, no Clay trying to get justice for Hannah.
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Apr 25, 2017 23:47
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Lucania posted:The book was just Clay going through the tapes - no lawsuit, no group of teens worrying about the tapes coming out, no Clay trying to get justice for Hannah. Huh. I'll have to check that out.
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Apr 26, 2017 13:46
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Quite a few therapists in Canada didn't at all like how the show dealt with suicide: http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/entertainment/13-reasons-why-criticism-1.4091960 Possible spoilers
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Apr 30, 2017 08:33
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I don't know why but I could not watch the suicide. I have watched gory scenes in movies and tv but this one was just too much.
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Apr 30, 2017 21:07
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I'm iffy with wrist related gore. Even the scene in Constantine where Keanu reeves cuts his wrists bugs me (props to the sound tech for nailing that sound).
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Apr 30, 2017 21:17
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I'm squeamish with any sort of cutting/slashing related gore. There was a Season of Oz where in the opening credits, there was a clip of an inmate clutching the blade of a knife to intentionally injure himself, and my bf always poked fun at me because I cringed away every episode because I knew when it was coming. But when the suicide scene happened in this show, I had to look away, like, extra hard.
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Apr 30, 2017 21:51
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I just finished the last episode and now I'm basically paralyzed  I mean it was a super well-done show and had way more depth to it than I was expecting going into it, but gently caress.
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Apr 30, 2017 23:38
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This the bullshit revenge porn I hear it is?
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May 1, 2017 07:20
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Despera posted:This the bullshit revenge porn I hear it is? What?
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May 1, 2017 07:31
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MiddleOne posted:What? https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/apr/26/netflix-13-reasons-why-suicide
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May 1, 2017 07:33
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No. I would say the article is very off-base and the author seems to have an ax to grind.
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May 1, 2017 07:41
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MiddleOne posted:No. I would say the article is very off-base and the author seems to have an ax to grind. Guess ill watch it. If its nothing more than "you guys were mean to me going to go kill myself" im going to be pissed.
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May 1, 2017 07:44
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Despera posted:Guess ill watch it. If its nothing more than "you guys were mean to me going to go kill myself" im going to be pissed. Nope exactly what I thought it was and what that gaurdian article said. Literally revenge porn for the people who hurt her. Alas all the external pressure in the world cannot make someone commit suicide. All the mean people in high school cannot force someone to murder herself. Trying to make suicide, homicide is a really lovely thing to do. She chose an option and wants to make people suffer for her choice..
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May 1, 2017 09:43
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You watched 12 episodes in two hours?
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May 1, 2017 09:54
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Jack Gladney posted:You watched 12 episodes in two hours? Monologue from the second episode about how everyone is the blame for her killing herself is enough.
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May 1, 2017 09:56
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I'm guessing by episode 12 she doesnt have a roundabout and decides making people feel bad because of her decisions is a stupid thing to do . It would be one thing if the whole town was complicit in her murder but you can't by definition force someone to commit suicide.
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May 1, 2017 10:06
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Yeah that's not really how the show goes.
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May 1, 2017 10:26
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precision posted:Yeah that's not really how the show goes. At 1:44 in episode 2 she says "you know exactly what you did" referencing her suicide then I paraphrase "now I'm dead you jerks".
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Despera posted:I'm guessing by episode 12 she doesnt have a roundabout and decides making people feel bad because of her decisions is a stupid thing to do . It would be one thing if the whole town was complicit in her murder but you can't by definition force someone to commit suicide. Just because she dies doesn't mean it's not a stupid thing to do. Your perspective may differ, but I think it does a good job of presenting the distorted thinking of a depressed person along with the confusion experienced by people unable to fully articulate the strong emotions they're feeling. Nor does every character respond in the same way to any of the bad things that happen to the suicidal character, like how there are multiple rapes and many forms of terrible abuse, but many different responses by individual characters--I don't think her suicide is presented as inevitable or justifiable, or even completely explicable at all. It's a very sad thing and the narrative dramatizes how much suffering it causes to others, like the parents, who will be miserable and plagued with impossible questions for the rest of their lives.
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Jack Gladney posted:Just because she dies doesn't mean it's not a stupid thing to do. Your perspective may differ, but I think it does a good job of presenting the distorted thinking of a depressed person along with the confusion experienced by people unable to fully articulate the strong emotions they're feeling. Nor does every character respond in the same way to any of the bad things that happen to the suicidal character, like how there are multiple rapes and many forms of terrible abuse, but many different responses by individual characters--I don't think her suicide is presented as inevitable or justifiable, or even completely explicable at all. It's a very sad thing and the narrative dramatizes how much suffering it causes to others, like the parents, who will be miserable and plagued with impossible questions for the rest of their lives. Suicide is presented as both an acceptable option and a means of petty revenge. Which is odd because most people present depression as rage turned inward and most suicide notes blame the suicidee.
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May 1, 2017 10:37
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Despera posted:Suicide is presented as both an acceptable option and a means of petty revenge. Which is odd because most people present depression as rage turned inward and most suicide notes blame the suicidee. We're not going to get anywhere arguing about this, but those judgments belong to the character and are both clearly wrong. One of her final thoughts is about her mother and what a positive relationship she has with her, yet she never considers the effect her suicide will have on her mother and completely brushes off an explicit invitation by her mother to talk about what's happening in her life. Characters in drama can misunderstand themselves and their world just like real people can.
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Despera posted:Suicide is presented as both an acceptable option and a means of petty revenge Jack Gladney posted:You watched 12 episodes in two hours?
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May 1, 2017 10:50
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If you want to argue this show doesn't present suicide as an acceptable option when the shows name is 13 reasons I committed suicide you might have a tough sell.
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Honestly making me watch 10 more hours of a show that spent 10 seconds explaining how the "cute guy at the movies that wouldn't talk to her committed negligant homicide " is something i might do.
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