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Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

MrFlibble posted:

So, did rick kill all of worldenders goons during an orgy or did he position the bodies in sex acts for giggles?

The second one. There was some between-seasons fluff thing put out listing Rick's war crimes as teabagging a bunch of the bug guys' corpses and sticking their own heads up their asses at Blood Gulch.

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Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

Macaluso posted:

I think the problem with that episode (which it's not a bad episode) is that the parts on the woman planet had already been done before on Futurama years and years ago. The jokes were like "this is funny enough" but I couldn't help but think of the Futurama episode the whole time. Rick and Zapp Brannigan filled a similar role there.

Raising Gazorpazorp wasn't great, but it had more laughs and less cringes than any of Futurama's 4 or 5 (at least) trips to that well.

There was the Amazon planet, Bender gender transitioning, gender swapping all of the main characters, and the feminist ecoterrorists in one of the movies.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

Elite posted:

I thought this was a great episode.

Me too. Other than episode 2 (which was merely decent), this season has been hitting it out of the park.

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I don't think the premise was too silly or dumb, especially not compared to other Rick and Morty episodes. Rick deciding to bully some heroes he doesn't like actually seems kinda grounded compared to Rick building a theme park in someone's intestines or Rick turning himself into a pickle for basically no reason.

Yeah, I don't get complaints about this story at all. It's one of the most emblematic episodes of the show's core themes.

In a gentler show, Rick would be hurt by his grandson's idolization of the Vindicators, forced to rethink his arrogant ways, and win Morty back when he learns to work as a team and pass the spotlight.

Instead he goes on a drunken 'trailer park' bender and Saws the ostensible heroes. The audience and Morty still think there's room for Rick to learn a lesson, that he's acting out of jealousy and vindictiveness and is the real villain of the story.

Instead all of his grievances about the Vindicators are proven 100% accurate because their own moral relativism and pettiness are so close to the surface that they start murdering each other during a 3-point-throw challenge. They're just as bad as Rick, just less honest about it and too busy jerking themselves off to get stuff done.

Like saving the universe, which Rick did to clear a path for his petty reckoning and rant on Israel to aliens that have never heard of it- an achievement that would go completely unnoticed if Rick hadn't planned a party for himself and Noob Noob, who he doesn't remember sober.

"That's not the point, Rick!"
"Well it would have been, if I hadn't."

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

Mulva posted:

Sure they were basically corporate dickbag heroes, but so the gently caress what? Helping somebody is still better than helping nobody. They didn't really deserve to die for it.

That's some re-[belch]-al planetary thinking, Mulva.

They didn't just wipe out a planet to save the universe, they wiped it out (and got three ethnic minority Vindicators killed!) to kill one guy that Rick could have detected from orbit if they could have overlooked their dislike of him long enough to call.

Rick isn't calling them out for that specifically though, he doesn't even know about it until they start heroically bickering over whose fault it is.

He does know, better than anyone, that exercising power unavoidably means stepping on anthills, and he doesn't have any patience for people pretending otherwise so they can celebrate themselves or judge him.

Rick's enduring point has been that a universal moral compass, like the kind that exalts Vindicators and calls him out, is incompatible with a multiverse existence.

Conveniently, this enables him to be a total dick almost always, but the show proves him right depressingly often.

The episode that drives this point even harder is the one with Fart. Morty thinks he's found a kindred spirit that shares his belief in the value of life and a greater good, only to learn at the last minute that Fart's definition of those demands the extermination of all organic life, forcing Morty to commit the murder he left a trail of death and destruction trying to prevent.

Avasculous fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Aug 16, 2017

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

CelticPredator posted:

Yeah. They're okay. I hope someone makes higher end ones.





I totally forgot Snowball was the dog's name and was trying to figure out what a literal robot snowball had to do with the show.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

Kurr de la Cruz posted:

I think my favorite gag in the whole vindicators episode is the backgrounds of the videos Rick recorded. You can see the progress he's making on the "It's a small world after all" ride he made for Noob Noob, the cutouts of wood and all that. loving hilarious.

So many good moments in this episode.

I just realized Rick called Gearface "Gearface" again, even after it was explained to him that that was like calling a Chinese man "Asiaface."

CelticPredator posted:

I mean the guy created a place where all his other selves can hang out with each other*. There's also unity and poo poo, even Morty. He wants a connection. He just can't let go of his ego.

They haven't come back to it, but Rick also sort of hinted in S1 that positively affirming a Morty is what turned him into Evil Morty.

It's sad to think he has to stop himself every time he wants to say something nice to Morty for fear of turning him into a monster. So like once a season probably.

Phylodox posted:

That's why they're not easy. Unless you have intimate knowledge of Rick, like Morty does, you're not going to solve anything, and even trying to actually solve them is likely to get you killed. And even then, Morty only lucks into the final answer because he happens to weigh about as much as Noob Noob does. The puzzles are arbitrary and insane.

It's clear from his speech introducing the Israel test that he didn't mean it to be impossible or even obscure.

Blackout Rick assumed everyone is guiltily avoiding talking about Israel and he's the only one willing to say "what we're all thinking" without stopping to consider that his audience wasn't even from Earth and Israel had nothing to do with his original purpose. Which seems about right for someone who routinely goes on drunken rants about Israel.

It was just serendipitous for Rick's argument that his speech mapped onto a topic the Vindicators actually were guiltily avoiding.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

Thundercracker posted:

Has Beth even had a stand alone episode? Not a Beth and Jerry episode. Cuzco Jerry had had a bunch, if you include B plots

The Pickle Rick B-plot probably made it the episode most focused on her, and not her and Jerry. Which isn't saying much.

She's got to be a lot harder to write/involve than Jerry though because of her intelligence, value to Rick, and ability to impose consequences on him.

Now that I think about it, this season has really been driving home what was only implied (or shouted by Jerry) before, which is how selectively stupid she is about Rick. That's probably giving the writers a lot more leeway to involve her and account for why she doesn't pull the plug on the adventures or Rick's access to her children.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

CelticPredator posted:

I wish I understood how Tumblr works. I tried it and it was so alien to me. I'm 25, and I feel out of touch with that thing

If you're trying to follow who is the original poster vs. who is sharing/commenting on something, just assume it's the opposite of whatever intuitively seems right.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

The Glumslinger posted:

Speaking of which, should we expect another episode of interdimensional cable this season?

I hope not.

It seemed like they only grudgingly did the second one, and that was one of the weakest episodes of the series.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

Mechanical Ape posted:

I was distracted because I kept looking for the twist where we find Rick orchestrated everything, from the assassination attempt to his own drugging, either to further humiliate Jerry or as setup for his "awesome" execution.

Then it turned out, nope, Rick had been sincere the whole time, so I then had to rewatch so I could stop thinking and enjoy the drat episode.

Oh god, Morty is literally a time-displaced Young Rick and he's his own grandpa, isn't he? :ohdear:

Way back after Season 1, Harmon shared a story about having a major plot twist planned for Rick and Morty from the beginning and then ditching it in frustration because he saw fans guessing it exactly on Reddit.

I think he swore off doing stuff like that entirely, because he felt internet forums make it impossible to surprise people at this point.

My guess is that it it was some variation of Morty and Rick being the same person: Morty is a young Rick or a defective clone that failed to abort or something.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

World Famous W posted:

EDIT: gently caress it, this is my happy show. I'm going to stay happy.

Nice try, but you can't do that either.

I have a Facebook friend that doesn't seem to see any irony in sharing, on the same day:

-A condescending, scathing critique of well-meaning allies for doing it wrong and centering things on themselves.
-A condescending, scathing critique of allies for not getting vocally involved due to privileged complacency.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

EKDS5k posted:

Rick's hatred of Jerry makes a lot of sense if you assume that his "made up origin story" from S03E01 is actually the truth: Our Rick wanted to give up on science to stay with his family, but then his wife and daughter were killed by at least one other Rick, forcing him into the same life. Then he started looking for a replacement, but in literally every other universe, the local Rick invented portal technology and immediately abandoned his family to go gently caress off around the multiverse. And Beth always wound up with Jerry, and had Morty and Summer. So he's torn between wanting a family, but also hating all the other Ricks and Jerries for loving up Beth.

Except that we know from the first cable episode that Jerry and Beth didn't get together and didn't have Summer in almost every other universe.

Which, now that I think about it, totally contradicts the premise of Jerry Daycare.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

ninjewtsu posted:

No, that was A other universe. Possibly more. Possibly half of them.

Don't forget that summer saw a bunch of alternate versions of herself being really boring in the same episode.

I'm pretty sure she only saw one other universe where she existed (playing yahtzee) and in the rest, the goggles were black because she'd never been born.

Basically I'm saying that the show had a good run but it's just unwatchable with this continuity error.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

ManlyGrunting posted:

Well there are an infinite number of universes with a Jerry. There's also an infinite number of universes without him. Bertrand Russel came up with an example* explaining this where if you have a hotel with an infinite number of rooms with an infinite amount of people in them and then one more dude shows up, everyone just moves up one room, no hassle. Same thing if an infinite amount comes in, the other infinite guests just take other rooms of the infinite hotel. Set theory gets pretty wild. Hell, if you want to get wild the council of Ricks probably contains infinite Ricks, but there are infinite Ricks who are not part of the council: hell, there are infinite councils which also have infinite Ricks in them. They'll never address it because it would be sloppy storytelling but it is technically accurate. :v:

*(Disclaimer: I am not a math major)

They sort of implied an answer to this when they introduced the Council, who said something about "The Central Finite Curve." That implies that while there are infinite universes, there are a finite number that are 'relevant' (because they contain Rick probably).

Rick also said after he Cronenberged the world that they could only clean slate 3 or 4 more times, tops.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

EKDS5k posted:

FWIW I agree that the "Central Finite Curve" likely refers to the set of universes containing a Rick.

I was wondering if Harmon or Roiland had ever commented on the line:
https://www.reddit.com/r/rickandmorty/comments/6t7x4d/central_finite_curve_confirmed/

So their definition is broader and basically means "livable", which is too bad because I like the idea of Rick deciding out of hand that universes without him are pointless but using an objective-sounding term.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

World Famous W posted:

Better then waiting in line for hours to buy overpriced novelties from a novelty vehichle, most of which was sold out.

I wanted to know what the merch ended up being and checked out the reddit thread about it. Jesus Christ.

A 1-register store selling exclusive collectibles for 3 hours in Brooklyn, Chicago, etc? With low stock and no enforcement of the line? Were they trying to troll as many fans as possible?

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

XBenedict posted:

Rick remarries marries Unity and Beth comes to terms with her new Stepmothers, which are 100 Patton Oswalts in red wigs.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

Jonas Albrecht posted:

What are the best B plots of Rick and Morty? I think "Keep Summer Safe" is top dog.

That would be my pick too.

A lot of good ones though. I honestly really like the ones about Jerry and Beth's marriage, even though that topic should really bore and annoy me.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

e X posted:

And honestly, the show is the worst when they do straight up movie riffs. Like, "Looks whose purging now" is probably the worst episode of the entire series. I just don't get it. Why do an uninspired parody of a mildly successful horror franchise? There isn't even really a twist to it, it is basically just the premise of the franchise with aliens.

Because it's not really a parody? Granted, I haven't seen the Purge, but besides the basic concept of a "Purge night", was any part of the movie's plot/setting/characters poked fun at in the episode?

I kind of understand where you're coming from, since I never could stand stuff like the Scary Movie franchise, where they trot out a bunch of references with the sole punchline being that you recognize the character and they're gay or fart or something.

I haven't seen any evidence of R&M doing this though- the movie references that I have recognized have never borrowed anything more than the broadest strokes to tell a distinctly Rick and Morty storyline that has little if any time to make fun of the source.

Avasculous fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Aug 30, 2017

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

Bust Rodd posted:

He's still a pathetic sniveling coward, but he has always been totally right about what the problems in the family are, in spite of being a clueless, selfish idiot the rest of the time.

Rick's a catalyst, but I think it's clear from conversations throughout the series that their marriage would be in trouble without him, which is pretty much exactly what the monster Rick had under the garage yelled at them.

Jerry's a perpetual victim/failure that uses that fact to emotionally extort support from Beth and the children.

Beth is intelligent and competent, but feels unaccomplished and blames her family (Jerry especially) for that. She takes solace in her superiority over him and alcoholism.

Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008
Liked this a lot better than the Interdimensional Cable episodes.

Anybody catch that the show Summer switches on at the end is a very literal House Hunters?

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Avasculous
Aug 30, 2008

Last Chance posted:

I really wish Dan Harmon the best, because I don't think he means anyone harm. He's just a prototypical "goon" a.k.a. a possibly-on-the-spectrum emotionally unintelligent guy. And a mean drunk.

The only Harmontown I've listened to is the one with Riley Reid as a guest, and I switched it off halfway through because it was just:

Harmon: question about your experience in porn/society.
Harmon: 4 minutes of rambling speculation on your possible answer.
Riley Reid: manages to get 1 sentence in.
Harmon: Changes subject, repeat.

It seemed like nervousness, but maybe he's always like that.

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