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RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Episode one was great

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RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Is there a new one tonight?

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
I believe you call it Jessica's feet

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
At least we know how much Rick loves Beth. He made her everything she wanted and kept them like most father's keep things their children make/trophies

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

HelleSpud posted:

Who's ready for TOO MUCH EFFORT!


Main reason why I think the episode didn't land: didn't get to a resolution of the story beats/ tried to do too many at once

The Set-up
*The parallel path of Morty and Summer pushing for independence from their parents, by way of someone else

1) Scene of them leaving as Beth tries to stop Morty from Planetina, Jerry tries to stop Summer from Rick.
- - - This works, gives each of them a conflict with a parent and could build off the newly re-established relationships with the parents. The parent has reason to try to stop the kids, but the kids have reason to ignore them. Resolution could be found through the parent using the experience from their own failures to guide their kids through theirs, rather using it as a reason to try to stop them from failing in the first place.

2) Summer is angry at Rick for the third wheel, Morty has Tinateers, Beth, and Planetina, Jerry is. . .around

- - - Now it's getting uneven:
- - - - - Summer conflict is with Rick+Daphne, not Jerry and is 7 scenes
- - - - - Morty conflict is with Beth, Tinateers, and Planetina. 9 scenes

3) Summer and Rick have a heart to heart, With Beth nothing is concluded, she's just in the vicinity


Summer Story: 1 house, 3 planet, 3 car.
Start, Set-up, unease, conflict, alien, conflict, resolution.

--- Early seasons Jerry trying to parent would have led to a joke, later seasons it would lead to a conflict, here it fizzles out
* Either commit to the relationship issues with Jerry, dismiss it with a better joke, or cut it and use it the time further the story with Rick

--- Rick is barely present in the plot he's in. Even he doesn't seem emotionally invested in it. Has a vague arc of "don't lose yourself in mindless sex/another person, care about your family"? both of which have been done repeatedly.


Morty Story: Intro, breakfast, fire, night, Tinateers, Dinner, montage, break-up and consolation.
Start, Set-up, conflict A, set-up conflict B, relationship (conflict A, set-up conflict C), conflict B, conflict A, conflict C, resolution?

* Either: cut the Beth conflict, make the Tinateers the decoy antagonists, then spend more time on the relationship and descent into extremism so it could have more emotional weight. Here the relationship had less montage than the nameless girl from the acid episode.
--- It's then the third (?) time he's gone too far for a girl, then it didn't work out.

* OR: Cut the Tinateers (have her be independent from the start) and spend the time on the parent conflict. He had good points in the dinner argument about lack of high ground and constant dismissal of him, his intelligence, and his capabilities, even as he's become more mature and worldly than her
--- Allows for the shift in relationship that's been building up, and acknowledgement of how they've changed since the beginning of the series.
--- Emotionally, covers how even as he's become so jaded he's still a kid who needs his mother, and she's finally ready to be that.
------ Compare with the Whirly Dirly B-plot - Morty is able to tell Beth she needs to do, and Beth is finally able to get over herself to be there for her daughter. Here she comforts him, but it's un-earned, their argument isn't resolved, she'd just in the vicinity to be proven right.


(I know, the A and B plot don't have to be parallel, but scene of them both having the same argument with their parents at the same time definitely sets up an expectation of it. And the uneven number of scenes/jumps between them keep them from feeling enmeshed)


tldr; too many conflicts, not enough resolutions

Have you considered that it was a good episode and you are reading way too much into it?

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

Excelzior posted:

To be fair, you had to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty's Season 5 Episode 3, "A Rickconvenient Mort". The humour was extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head.

I will admit that I just stared glassy eyed at the screen for 20~ minutes because it was just so high IQ

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RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
Very good episode. The show is great and also Christopher Lloyd is great

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