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UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

Raxivace posted:

I think the difference is that Walt was kind of always a shithead, but entering the criminal world only amplified the many negative qualities that were already there.

BCS really plays up the idea that Jimmy, despite his scamming or whatever, has positive traits that someone like Walt never had. I think its still possible for "Gene" to somehow find some kind of redemption.

Eh, rewatching season 2 last week I felt a lot less sympathy for Jimmy. It wasn't exactly intentional that he torched Kim's career, but he sure did pour gasoline everywhere he could.

We also know that Jimmy gets to be exactly who he wants for 5 or so years after this show ends, while presumably the lives of Chuck, Kim, and Howard are in shambles. Gene seems more like repayment for the borrowed time he lived on as Saul, idk how I would feel about redemption after that.

UZR IS BULLSHIT fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Apr 10, 2017

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UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
In my headcanon Gene's last name is Parmesan.

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
Man at this point I just don't see how they're gonna get to Saul Goodman. They've made Jimmy too human.

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
I mean, from a literal path of plot point A to plot point B there's plenty of believable paths they could take.

But from a character development standpoint they're almost painting themselves into a corner where the barrier to transform Jimmy into Saul is becoming insurmountable. Like, watch this scene from his first episode in Breaking Bad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTfyuKy5G0c

Remember at the end of season 1, when Jimmy says to Mike that he knows what was keeping him from taking the Kettleman's money and running, and he wasn't going to let it stop him anymore? That was a point where it felt natural and believable that Jimmy could make the leap into what we see here. With what we've seen of how invested Jimmy is in his relationships with Kim and Chuck, and how much he's about to lose, it's much harder to see him being happy as Saul. We know he is, and I don't doubt the writers' abilities to get us there, but drat, it's starting to shape up to be a herculean effort.

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
I'm 100% sure Jimmy ordered a breakfast burrito. To be a restaurant in Albuquerque it's practically required by law that you serve breakfast burritos, especially fast food restaurants.

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
A Huell spinoff would be very short lived since it would just be the DEA finding his body in the safe house Hank left him in like a year after BB ended

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
How the hell does Vince Gilligan keep convincing me that 45 minutes is only 25 minutes

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

Colonel Whitey posted:

Same

E: I can't remember the details from last season, where in the truck were the Salamanca goons hiding the drugs?

Tires

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

NO LISTEN TO ME posted:

Kim's been looking for a paralegal right? I hope Ernie's qualified enough.

Also, if that Mike scene all took place south of the border, how'd he get there with a gun and some drugs? Unless the clinic he visited was too, but then he already had the gun in his trunk.

The clinic was in Mexico and in any event, smuggling contraband into Mexico isn't the part of the equation that's difficult

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

WillyTheNewGuy posted:

The previous scene with Mike was his meeting with Gus, and Mike's very last line was that he wasn't done with Salamanca. To me that tells me that Gus and Mike are working together on this, or Mike would have kept that last bit to himself.

As a member of the cartel, I believe Gus would have no trouble having some underlings in Mexico get a bolt-action rifle, or to call a pharmacist/doctor in Mexico and set up a sale. Beyond that the pharmacist/doctor was told what Mike would need by someone other than Mike before he arrived, and that this particular pharmacist/doctor is later seen in BB working for Gus.

Nah the answer is that you can drive your car with anything you want in it into Mexico because crossing the border heading south is less inconvenient than going over a speed bump

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

Venuz Patrol posted:

i appreciate that mr. petty with a prior was too pleased to be getting free food to know or care that he was being bribed

That was great, he was eating two bags of chips at the same time for lunch and then started eating Jimmy's fries lmao

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

Raxivace posted:

In general I think Nacho is a bit underused in the series.

Nacho was a huge catalyst for Jimmy's plot in season 1 and Mike's in season 2 though?

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
I've loved every episode of both shows up until now but this was garbage filler. Gus' backstory is some boring bullshit that would have been left better unexplained, but it took up almost 30 minutes of this episode.

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:

You are objectively, scientifically provably wrong. The Mike/Gus/Cartel stuff is the best part of this show by far.

Mike scenes are good, so far Gus scenes are really really bad. I'd have rather watched 10 minutes of Mike fixing Chuck's door than the scene where Gus has a meeting with his fast food employees

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

Karmine posted:

Your personal preferences (to which you're entitled!) notwithstanding, the point of that scene was to show/remind the audience what a mastermind Gus is at not only hiding his criminal enterprise but also to manipulate his civilian employees' loyalty. The humility of admitting he paid them off in Michoacan, the rah rah America stuff, the anger at how the cartel intimidated his customers and threatened his employees. It was great.

I got that, but I just didn't care.

I think the problem with this episode for me is that we already know how Gus got into this situation with Don Eladio and Hector Salamanca, and we already know how it ends. At this point in time they're in a stalemate that has little room for plot or character development.

Gus was a great antagonist for Walter, and could be a great catalyst for Mike's development, but I hope they keep any further interaction between Gus and the cartel to the C plot with only a minor scene or two each episode.

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
Kim has gone from "I can never hear about fake homemade fetish porn" to being an active participant in Jimmy's extralegal scheming. She's not getting out of this clean.

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

Supercar Gautier posted:

Saul's BB office was in an L-shaped strip mall, the location hasn't been seen on BCS yet.

And it won't be. After BB ended, Saul's office space got ripped out and turned into a lovely bar.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/S...5318671!6m1!1e1

That said, there's about a hundred other malls around town they could use that would be close enough.

UZR IS BULLSHIT fucked around with this message at 06:03 on May 11, 2017

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
In this universe a $40 bottle of Johnnie Walker is tepid off brand generic cola. $10000 bottles of Macallan 35 are classic Coke.

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
So Mike's conversation with the concrete paving woman...he was trying to avoid going full time into the cleaner business because he didn't want his granddaughter to ever know that her Pop-pop was a criminal. And hearing that woman talk about her husband going missing in the Gila National Forest made him realize that even if he gets caught in some cartel crossfire, his family would likely never figure out the truth about what happened to him. Right?

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:

My interpretation was that Mike is indirectly responsible for an innocent getting whacked in the desert by Hector and the story reminded him of it.

Ah yeah I forgot about the good samaritan. This is probably it

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
It seems like Chuck is insured as an individual rather than HHM having a policy that covers the entire firm, but I wonder if Chuck being considered a higher risk would affect Howard as well.

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

Oxyclean posted:

I can't believe people are criticizing Jimmy for getting Chuck's policy hit when the real villain is the insurance lady. Why is no-one talking about this ruthless monster?!

Realtalk: I find it hilarious that the oblivious pharmaceutical guy keeps coming back. Figured he was done after his first appearance/arc.

One of the best parts of this show (and BB) is Gilligan & co's ability to bring back characters from minor side plots in earlier seasons and make them relevant in the main plot.

I'm looking forward to finding out how Pryce develops what isn't technically a hearing problem, but sometimes when there's a lot of noises going on at the same time, he hears them as one big jumble.

UZR IS BULLSHIT fucked around with this message at 18:41 on May 29, 2017

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

hiddenmovement posted:

Plus, it's the insurance for one man, not the entire firm, and he's not been hit with a malpractice suit or a conduct charge by the bar, so the grounds the insurer has to ramp the premiums up on a long time customer with a flawless record seems pretty shakey. Even if they do ramp the premiums up, so what? Just eat it, he's rich as hell.

The sneak peak for next week is a meeting between Hamlin, Chuck, and the insurance company. They want to double the premiums on every lawyer in the firm. The fight between Chuck and Jimmy is going to end up taking down all of HHM :getin:

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

Cerebral Mayhem posted:

Instead of a stroke, it might be that Hector suffers cardiac arrest for long enough to cause brain damage.

He was fully lucid in BB though.

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

i am the bird posted:

Kim later changes her name to Wendy Skank and has a kid with Spooge

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Hah, there's a Mesa Verde trailer park where I live. Someone should do an inventory of how many things in the real southwest are called Mesa Verde.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncountable_Set

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
Sucks that after tomorrow we're gonna have to wait a year+ for more episodes.

Gimme Jimmy ☹️

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
Eh, I've defended this show's slow pace in the past but I really think they botched the second half of this season. Having Jimmy's arc for the season end with him doing the right thing with the olds was sort of a wet fart for where they're at with his character. They need to step on the gas if they're back for season 4. Which I am still on board for, but less enthusiastically so than I have been up til now.

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

EatinCake posted:

Strange to me that folks think having him step back some of his manipulation of old ladies was a bad, uncharacteristic moment.

Chuck lays it out pretty plainly in his little rant that this is part of the pattern- Jim needs something, he recklessly manipulates people to get it, he hurts them, he feels remorse and tries to do right, he eventually needs something again. This isn't a misstep at all, but rather just another cycle, and a great way to show us that Kim's his anchor. If he slipped this bad over the past two episodes, it's pretty safe to assume her leaving him for **reason** will be what allows him to become the bb Saul.

My favorite thread of this show is that Jimmy is a really great filmographer and could have probably made a good career with that had he been driven down that path.

The thing for me is they're getting pretty close to beating a dead horse with that point though.

It wouldn't be as much of a disappointment if they hadn't clearly run out of ideas for the other part of the show. As others have pointed out, Mike's story was basically dropped and his scenes turned into boring universe building at the end of this season. They really have nothing to do with Gus because he and the cartel are already in the stalemate we know them to be in during BB. Nacho's machinations against Hector sort of came out of nowhere and the payoff was delivered to us far too cleanly compared to how these things usually go in this world.

To be fair I really enjoyed Howard's arc post meltdown. The scene where he tells Jimmy to bring a tin cup next time is one of the best in the series and a much stronger piece of development for Jimmy than his final scene with Chuck.

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
Jimmy would definitely find out through the grapevine what happened in that board room. Could set up a battle between him and Howard over the money as an impotent way of dealing with their guilt.

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

Durzel posted:

Is that the boardroom where only Howard and Chuck were present? What grapevine is this you speak of?

Maybe I'm being a bit obtuse, but whilst Howard already had the cheque written out to Chuck I would've assumed the show would make something more of it if the arrangement was cemented in stone. Granted he did say that Chuck would get paid in installments, which infers formality, but at the same time it was made clear in that scene that he was doing this out of his own personal funds, bypassing the company completely.

I can't conceive of a way that Jimmy would a) find out about the arrangement, b) benefit from it bearing in mind the circumstances and c) mishandle it in such a spectacular and credible way as to end up where he ends up being in Breaking Bad. Saul Goodman taking street dealer money whilst sitting on multi-millions?

Huh Chuck was willing to sue us even though it would destroy our company, but in under 5 minutes Howard talked him out of it. He's one hell of a lawyer!

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
I don't think Jimmy will get the money, but if they aren't gonna do a time skip it's definitely one thing that could force further conflict between the main players.

UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004

Spellman posted:

Chuck entrusted the 8 million dollars from the HHM buyout to his trusted university colleague Gustavo Fring, which he used to purchase the infrastructure for an 8 million dollar supermeth lab in a laundry mat.

No no no, he left everything to the Institute for EHS Research, a nonprofit initiative started by Madrigal Electromotiv.

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UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
Holy gently caress that's a special meltdown.

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