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Two very long-running franchises, both with famously strong soundtracks. But which franchise has better music? Megaman, or Sonic? Megaman has hot bangers like Wily Castle, Cossack Stage 2, and X vs Zero. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4VtxWRfPOk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br3uvu7_Tew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed9jkuczzRU But Sonic likewise has great stuff like Chemical Plant Zone, Green Hill Zone, and Rooftop Run. It's also got lots of, ah, "quality" songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBnsXy9mbVY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPRG1Fpp00U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtUe7MhuCo So, where do you stand on this very important issue?
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Apr 4, 2017 11:27
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Test your might. Prove your point! Megaman X has tons of great stuff alone. From Spark Mandrill to Izzy Glow, to classic rock references like Infinity Mijinion's theme, all of the X games have some really great stuff.
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Apr 4, 2017 13:07
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Megaman has high-tension music. Sonic has just straight up good fuckin music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzH2-Gkikzc I mean how are you gonna argue with this
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Apr 4, 2017 13:21
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signalnoise posted:Megaman has high-tension music. Sonic has just straight up good fuckin music Not emptyquotin this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr_NAR5-L8s I mean as far as games -- sonic mostly hot garbage, but it's hot garbage with pretty rocking soundtracks. The best thing to come out of megaman music is the covers and dead memes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVjekxCmiyg
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Apr 4, 2017 14:06
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Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of great music in the Mega Man series. But the Sonic series has hands down my favourite videogame music, and to prove it I'm dragging up a big ol' nerdy effortpost I made in the videogame music thread in NMD a while back: Mega Drive Star Light Zone (Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Masato Nakamura). Emerald Hill Zone (Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Masato Nakamura). Mystic Cave Zone (Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Masato Nakamura). Really I could link the whole Sonic 2 soundtrack, it's just that drat good. Toxic Caves (Sonic Spinball, Howard Drossin) Angel Island Zone Act 2 (Sonic the Hedgehog 3, Michael... Jackson...? Could be a whole bunch of people. Might even be Jun Senoue, since he elected to cover this for Smash Bros) Rusty Ruins Zone Act 1 (Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island/Sonic 3D Blast, Jun Senoue and Tatsuyuki Maeda). "Midnight Greenhouse" (Botanic Base) (Knuckles Chaotix, Junko Shiratsu and Mariko Nanba) Handheld Sonic games Bridge Zone (Sonic 1 MS/GG version, Yuzo Koshiro) Green Hills Zone (Sonic 2 MS/GG version, Naofumi Hataya) (note spelling) Secret Base Zone Act 1 (Sonic Advance, Tatsuyuki Maeda) Hot Crater Zone Act 2 (Sonic Advance 2, Tatsuyuki Maeda) What U Need (Dead Line Zone) (Sonic Rush, Hideki Naganuma) 3D, Jun Senoue era Azure Blue World... for Emerald Coast (Extended Soundtrack Version) (Sonic Adventure 1, Jun Senoue) Pleasure Castle... for Twinkle Park (Sonic Adventure 1, Jun Senoue) Rumbling Highway... for Mission Street (Sonic Adventure 2, Jun Senoue) Grand Metropolis (Sonic Heroes, Jun Senoue) 3D, Tomoya Ohtani era Soleanna New City (Sonic '06, Tomoya Ohtani) Rooftop Run Day (Sonic Unleashed, Tomoya Ohtani) Empire City Day (Sonic Unleashed, Tomoya Ohtani) Tropical Resort Act 1 (Sonic Colours, Tomoya Ohtani) Sweet Mountain Map (Sonic Colours, Tomoya Ohtani) Collection Room (Door Into Summer) (Sonic Generations, remixed by Jun Senoue from Knuckles Chaotix (Junko Shiratsu and Mariko Nanba)) Windy Hill - Full Version (Sonic Lost World, Tomoya Ohtani)
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Apr 4, 2017 14:46
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Uhh you are all missing the best sonic song of all.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnUvyg8EG4U
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Paul.Power posted:Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of great music in the Mega Man series. But the Sonic series has hands down my favourite videogame music, and to prove it I'm dragging up a big ol' nerdy effortpost I made in the videogame music thread in NMD a while back: Don't forget one of the best tracks in Sonic 2 for Game Gear / MasterSystem: Scrambled Egg Zone. Sonic 2 for Game Gear was my first experience with Sonic and to this day this is probably my favorite Sonic track. Agent Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Apr 4, 2017 15:29
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Megaman has some really good music but they don't have any Crush40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_cXnagIhxI
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All this talk about Sonic music and nobody has mentioned Flying Battery yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcRHBgGHtwo I think overall I like Sonic music better, but Mega Man also has some unmentioned hits from the Battle Network series, like Surge of Power and the Hero themes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5EprM9_LZY Xad fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Apr 4, 2017 19:55
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Sonic does have quite a lot of good music, but I still gotta side with Megaman on this. I never really enjoyed the vocal Sonic songs beyond kitschy appreciation. There's one or two good ones but the rest are...hokey at best. Also, the poll is in a dead heat as of this post. Megaman as a franchise has a lot of great stuff, though I am less knowledgeable on the Legends, Battle Network, etc franchises, so anyone with more familiarity would be appreciated. despite having a rather hosed soundfont in X3, it still had some great tunes, like Blizzard Buffalo, Gravity Beetle, Crush Crawfish, Doctor Doppler Lab 1 and Zero's Theme. X2's got a lot of good ones too. Overdrive Ostritch, Magna Centipede, and Flame Stag. Bubble Crab, Crystal Snail and Sigma Stage 1 are definitely the standouts from X2's OST though. Never played X8, but Jakob Orbital Elevator is fantastic.
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Captain Invictus posted:Test your might. Prove your point! To preface; I haven't played either series in a long time so the ones that are relevant to me trend towards what I'm about to say. This is going to sound like a pithy joke, but it's my genuine opinion that (in the old games where Sonic was good and Megaman was, uh, Megaman) Megaman's music is basically proto-chiptunes, which is terrible, since they just loop a few bars of vaguely musical bleeps and bloops and that's their tracks. Sonic has not only actual music but good, memorable music that gets you going. Granted the more recent Megaman games don't have this problem (depending on how you measure recent because jesus christ time) but I honestly haven't played any of the newer ones so it's hard for me to stick by them even if they are better, I still don't think they're as good as Sonic's good tracks. E: Also let's be real, we all know what the best soundtrack from that era is. And honorable mention. Orv fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Apr 9, 2017 |
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Apr 9, 2017 10:16
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Orv posted:Megaman's music is basically proto-chiptunes, which is terrible, since they just loop a few bars of vaguely musical bleeps and bloops and that's their tracks
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It is! But the problem we run into there is that I don't like those melodic compositions, at all. I've never been a fan of that kind of backing track, even when it was kind of all there was because hardware limitations and so forth, and admittedly not having a ton of reverence for that whole era of consoles doesn't help, but what're you gonna do? Like bad music?  Honestly the X series stuff is really good but I still prefer Sonic.
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The difference being you're conflating your opinion as fact. Like I'm not saying you're not allowed to dislike Megaman music, even if I think that's crazy. But reducing it to "bleeps and bloops" when they are compositionally extremely sound a lot of the time, and can be easily transferred to other musical mediums without issue, is a bit disingenuous don't you think? Like, take Wily Stage 1. You can dislike the MIDI sounds all you like, and that's fine, but saying it's "just a few bits looped" is outright fabrication. Here it is in piano form, basically unchanged: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlLhHOGwExU and here's an adaptation with vocals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nnl0ycLvgU You're welcome to dislike the type of music, but please don't try to downplay the actual quality of the musical composition of them because they used the limited hardware available and you don't like them. Mostly I made this thread so people could be cool and post the music tracks they like rather than poo poo on the others, it was meant to be lighthearted rather than a heated fight. 
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No goddamnit I will win this discussion about video game music. I get you, don't worry, I wasn't trying to pass it off as fact, just being unfunny. As penance for my failures; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU65VV8sz8c
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Orv posted:No goddamnit I will win this discussion about video game music.  (click for full size/HD) 
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I really can't decide what the weirdest/most upsetting part of that image is.
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Captain Invictus posted:X2's got a lot of good ones too. Overdrive Ostritch, Magna Centipede, and Flame Stag. Bubble Crab, Crystal Snail and Sigma Stage 1 are definitely the standouts from X2's OST though. You forgot Morph Moth. Bubble Crab was so good it got reused in Mega Man X5.
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Captain Invictus posted:Don't worry, we can still be friends. EVIL friends, forever. I love that these comics exist and wish I could read them all.  Captain Invictus posted:to classic rock references like Infinity Mijinion's theme Wait what's this? Infinity Mijinion's theme was a reference to something?
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The final countdown
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Megaman has alright music, but Sonic CD has one of the best videogame soundtracks of all time, so the choice is pretty easy. I mean just listen to this chill poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjb2asrjv-o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21ZSrPIFETg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr9i7w60Gm4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUVe_znl30U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTWnxQD5_sw other sonic games got good music too I guess but god drat, that entire soundtrack is rude good
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If you like synth heavy rock music then Megaman X for sure. A lot of the earlier games in the X series had music that was just downright iconic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F2jf0NRl2Y If we're getting into remixes then Megaman X pretty much tops Sonic out when it comes to high tension action music. Many of the songs are literally just what happens if a person tried to make a rock song on the SNES's old sound system. The remake of the first X series game highlights this. Compare that song up above to this and you'll see what I mean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNsVOdQmp-c Archonex fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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Captain Invictus posted:The final countdown 
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Archonex posted:If we're getting into remixes then Megaman X pretty much tops Sonic out when it comes to high tension action music. Many of the songs are literally just what happens if a person tried to make a rock song on the SNES's old sound system. The remake of the first X series game highlights this. Compare that song up above to this and you'll see what I mean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMHwx0n26dE
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So I'd like to gush incoherently about basslines for a bit, because I've spent far too much time thinking about video game basslines over the years. Masato Nakamura, the composer for the first two Sonic games, is a bassist and I really think it shows. I picked out Emerald Hill Zone and Mystic Cave Zone in that big list of links partially for their really fun and bouncy basslines that pretty much function as a second melody line, while also holding the whole thing together beautifully. Another good example is my all-time favourite game music track, Casino Night Zone - its walking bass is a lot more sedate, but still manages to be really inventive and goes ahead and does its own thing a lot of the time. I want to say "counterpoint" here, but I'm not entirely sure if that's accurate (the last time I had something approximating formal musical training was at school before I chose my GCSEs). Labyrinth Zone has another rising and falling bassline, this time matching the melody fairly closely, and at one point I noticed that it used almost the same notes as the stereotypical boogie woogie bassline, but going C E G A B A G E instead of C E G A Bb A G E. Which was a pretty cool thing, I thought. And even with his basslines that mostly stick to the same note, the bass is still doing a lot of important work to drive the tune forward and set the pace: Green Hill, Chemical Plant and Metropolis all provide good examples of this. I really like the sound of the Mega Drive's bass instruments (even if they are a little high-pitched for a bassline), and I think Masato Nakamura did a really good job of using them and setting the tone for a lot of the rest of the series. Howard Drossin also had some pretty rocking basslines in the games he composed for: Toxic Caves from Sonic Spinball and Flying Battery Act 1 from Sonic and Knuckles spring to mind. And Angel Island Act 2 (composed by... um... well, my hunch here is Jun Senoue to be honest, regardless of what input Michael Jackson had on the Sonic 3 soundtrack) is up there with Emerald Hill for my favourite Sonic basslines. It manages to explore quite a lot of space in a pretty short time. Speaking of Jun Senoue, let's move on to the 3D games. I feel he did a really good job of capturing the feel of the Emerald Hill bassline with Windy and Ripply, the music for the second half of Emerald Coast in Sonic Adventure. It has that same bouncy quality to it that really ties the whole thing together nicely. Another very active and energetic bassline features in Rumbling Highway, the music for Mission Street in SA2. Again, it's very much going off and doing its own thing, and feels very musically inventive. And for Tomoya Ohtani basslines, a great place to start would be Tropical Resort Act 1 - okay sure, it starts as a very stereotypical (but also incredibly fun) surfrock bassline, but once the synths kick in it manages to go off on its own magical adventure. For a different kind of prominent bassline, let's look at his Soleanna New City from Sonic '06. The steady, funky bassline underpins this very chill hub world number beautifully. I don't really have a good finish to this. There are probably a ton of other good basslines out there in Sonic, I just picked out a few here. Hell, there are probably a ton of great basslines in Mega Man too, I just haven't spent as much time listening to them (although I'm not a huge fan of the NES's triangle wave bass, if I'm honest). But they are a big part of why I like Sonic music so much.
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If you like metal, then it's Megaman. If you like pop and funk, then it's Sonic.
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I'm gonna give Sonic the edge. The Mega Man and X 1-3 have kick rear end amazing soundtracks. Some of the best in the medium. But once they get to the PS1 era, they become bland what has its. The other series Mega Man games just have white noise. Sonic's always had great soundtracks. Even at some of their lowest points, people usually say "at least the music is good." And you got Michael loving Jackson doing the Genesis games, the campy buttrock of the Adventure games, the now adorable because enough time has passed edginess of nu-metal with Shadow's themes, to the pretty cool electro swing of the more modern Sonics. Plus, Crush 40 is doing music for the upcoming theatrical Sonic the Hedgehog movie. Even if the movie is terrible, it'll be worth it for that.
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Detective No. 27 posted:And you got Michael loving Jackson doing the Genesis games I believe Michael Jackson only allegedly worked on Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and his involvement in that is pretty much an urban legend.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:I believe Michael Jackson only allegedly worked on Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and his involvement in that is pretty much an urban legend. Your belief is about to be shattered because his involvement was straight up confirmed a year ago. http://testkitchen.huffingtonpost.com/michaeljacksonsonic/
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I love Mega Man music to death, but Sonic will always be the King of Music in Video Games
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Was just driving around and Pumpkin Hill came on. Was ace.
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Sonic is the only correct answer in this argument.
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The Grizzly Slash music in Mega Man X5 (one of my faves) was based on the soundtrack from the movie Speed. Specifically, the part where they have to jump over the gap in the overpass. Go watch the movie and then listen to the game music if you don't believe me. A vote for Sonic is a vote against Keanu Reeves.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1xfeBdJ92Q Bad game, great music
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Detective No. 27 posted:Your belief is about to be shattered because his involvement was straight up confirmed a year ago. Either way, the only game he worked on was 3.
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Does MegaMan have any tracks as bad as Nocturne from Sonic Chronicles?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg9N-u3rOwE My favorite megaman theme.
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Paul.Power posted:video game bassline stuff Great post! I was never surprised by the whole Michael Jackson / sonic 3 thing, listen to Another Part of Me, parts of that song would fit right into a sonic game.
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