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Could Twelve's speeches in Flatline and Zygon Inversion count as outrage?
Vinylshadow fucked around with this message at 22:00 on May 1, 2017 |
# ? May 1, 2017 21:57 |
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Or the time he lashes out in anger later in the same episode and Bill makes fun of him for it.
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# ? May 1, 2017 21:59 |
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Bicyclops posted:"Never have I had time for the luxury of outrage." The Doctor lies.
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# ? May 1, 2017 22:08 |
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Fil5000 posted:Or it cuts to footage of Six
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# ? May 1, 2017 22:50 |
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Bicyclops posted:"Never have I had time for the luxury of outrage." The moment he said that, I knew it was a "we never, EVER, interfere." [ immediately starts interfering ] bit. Fortunately, Capaldi sells it.
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# ? May 1, 2017 23:15 |
Vinylshadow posted:DOCTOR 10: Two point four seven billion. I didn't like this quote. How would the Doctor possibly count how many children where on Gallifrey that day? Also, he's in action would only result in the Daleks slaughtering them all any way and then going on to destroy even more of the universe. It's such a creatively bankrupt dilemma.
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# ? May 1, 2017 23:36 |
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PriorMarcus posted:I didn't like this quote. How would the Doctor possibly count how many children where on Gallifrey that day? '2.47 billion' isn't exactly a concrete number. I feel like he didn't 'count how many children were on Gallifrey' as 'remembered the population statistics from around that time', which isn't unreasonable, it's like you remembering the rough population count of the country you live in.
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# ? May 1, 2017 23:47 |
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PriorMarcus posted:I didn't like this quote. How would the Doctor possibly count how many children where on Gallifrey that day? What dilemma?
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# ? May 1, 2017 23:50 |
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PriorMarcus posted:I didn't like this quote. How would the Doctor possibly count how many children where on Gallifrey that day? He could estimate? He could ask the TARDIS? There's probably a bunch of ways he could find out, but I'm not imaginative enough to list them.
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# ? May 1, 2017 23:58 |
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McGann posted:Letting Youtube autoplay after this gave me this piece of awesome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0DfuhREAds How quickly people forget the fourth companion, Mr. Rock
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# ? May 2, 2017 00:33 |
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Vinylshadow posted:Still waiting for someone to splice together a series of flashbacks to the Doctor talking about remembering the dead - for example, from the 50th Anniversary Special Annnnnd now I need to rewatch that episode.
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# ? May 2, 2017 02:29 |
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cargohills posted:What dilemma? Yeah, I'm not getting that either. War and Ten aren't suggesting that they shouldn't have pressed the button, just that killing billions of kids is a big enough price that it should weigh on their mind and conscience enough to matter, and are aghast that Eleven seems to have forgotten that. Of course, in the end, the solution is that it is actually NOT acceptable, and the three of them (or 13 of them) fix things but that scene isn't about that, as much as if you were about to murder someone and then met yourself from 10 years later and not only do you seem well-adjusted, but you don't even seem to remember the name of your victim. It's the War Doctor worrying that this action breaks him to the point where he's a totally apathetic or amoral monster.
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# ? May 2, 2017 03:29 |
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The BBC iPlayer will have a binaural version of the next episode on the web immediately after it airs on BBC One.
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# ? May 3, 2017 00:21 |
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Cleretic posted:That's kind of a matter of 'stopped clock is right twice a day'. His horribly exploitative and barbaric fuel manufactory happened to produce a fuel better than coal, especially for what we know about coal now, but that wasn't why he was doing it. Not only that, to be fair the people who were working in the mines chose to work there and could in theory not do so (yes their opportunities weren't great but still...). Not so much the people who were at a fair on the ice expecting to have a good time and not randomly die.
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# ? May 3, 2017 01:15 |
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Box of Bunnies posted:Ditch Rove and Bajo, get Jordan from Axis of Awesome back as a regular. Just her, Tegan, and Adam with whatever weekly guest would be brilliant. Bajo rules, way better than having Stephen Bloody Conroy on there Bicyclops posted:"Never have I had time for the luxury of outrage." That's one of the good things about that Whovians show, they showed the Doctor saying that and then immediately a montage of the Doctor being outraged, including 12 just bashing up the TARDIS console.
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# ? May 3, 2017 01:30 |
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Short Synopsis: Keys, comics, books and con-jobs - the Doctor has terrible friends. Long Synopsis: Four individual stories taken from different periods of the 8th Doctor's life detailing a singular adventure with a different Companion. A futuristic archeological dig/Time Lord trap with Bernice Summerfield; unraveling a scam in the Doctor's name with Fitz Kreiner; tracking down a long out-of-print and rare comic book with Izzy Sinclair; and pre-emptively fixing mistakes he MUST make with Mary Shelley. What I Liked/Disliked:
Final Thoughts: The Company of Friends is an easy listen, broken up as it is into four distinct stories. It can be listened to all in one lot or broken up over days or even weeks, interspersed with other stories for when you want something to listen to but can't commit a couple of hours to a full story. McGann is as always in fine form and it's neat to get a sampler of different companions outside of the usual line-up, especially as they're taken from other media and serve as a nice nod to the existence of these other non-television adventures of the Doctor's, particularly the wilderness years stuff. It's attempts at humor don't always hit, largely because it's four different writers, but that also means that different people will probably find different things funny, and that there's a better chance of there being something for everyone in there. It also introduces a "new" recurring companion for the 8th Doctor, even though it is one we've suspected/had teased ever since McGann's first appearance in Big Finish. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 10:48 on May 4, 2017 |
# ? May 3, 2017 10:46 |
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Mary's Story has one of my favourite closing lines in Doctor Who: "Remember - Frankenstein is the name of the monster, and not the name of the Doctor."
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# ? May 3, 2017 11:55 |
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I actually got all angry the first time he said it because it's the wrong way around, then I realized that was the joke since he was referring to the events of THEIR story
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# ? May 3, 2017 11:57 |
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Astroman posted:Not only that, to be fair the people who were working in the mines chose to work there and could in theory not do so You what mate
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# ? May 3, 2017 12:37 |
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There's so much wrong with that I don't know where to start
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# ? May 3, 2017 12:40 |
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Well in theory I guess a lot of them could have chosen to starve to death instead?
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# ? May 3, 2017 12:57 |
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Jerusalem posted:Well in theory I guess a lot of them could have chosen to starve to death instead? Nonsense. There was a fully functional welfare state, they would have been fine*! *sent to a workhouse, seperated from their spouses and/or children, and possibly still starve anyway if they looked at the governor funny, or alternatively die horribly from an easily treated disease that the in-house medical officer didn't know how to treat because he was either completely inexperienced or completely terrible
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# ? May 3, 2017 13:51 |
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Children as young as five worked in the mines in Regency times
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# ? May 3, 2017 13:57 |
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Intelligence is knowing Frankenstein is the name of the doctor. Wisdom is knowing Frankenstein is the name of the monster. My wife used Big Finish's version of the story for extra credit in her English class while teaching the book. It's really well done if anyone's interested and it goes on sale from BF.
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# ? May 3, 2017 13:57 |
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Or the time he lashes out in anger later in the same episode and Bill makes fun of him for it. Isn't there a little remark from Bill or The Doctor that he doesn't have time to get outraged because he's just always outraged? Cleretic posted:'2.47 billion' isn't exactly a concrete number. I feel like he didn't 'count how many children were on Gallifrey' as 'remembered the population statistics from around that time', which isn't unreasonable, it's like you remembering the rough population count of the country you live in. Even then, the number isn't the point. The point is that one day the Doctor actually sat down in one of his darker moments and did the math to work out the number of children he killed with the Moment. And then did his damnedest to forget it, which is something The Doctor of all people shouldn't have done.
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# ? May 3, 2017 15:32 |
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At literally taking the whole cult of personality responsibility thing to its logical extreme and applying it to Dickensian work conditions. "Those folks in the mill towns didn't have to move there!"
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# ? May 3, 2017 16:04 |
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https://join.skype.com/bot/df8df5db-cec4-4c9a-a047-e869e61f3223 The BBC is running some manner of interactive skype game where you help 12 find the Key to Time.
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# ? May 3, 2017 16:16 |
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jivjov posted:https://join.skype.com/bot/df8df5db-cec4-4c9a-a047-e869e61f3223 quote:Written by Joseph Lidster. Not today, Satan.
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# ? May 3, 2017 16:19 |
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Oh yikes. I didn't catch that bit
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# ? May 3, 2017 16:30 |
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Astroman posted:Not only that, to be fair the people who were working in the mines chose to work there and could in theory not do so (yes their opportunities weren't great but still...). Not so much the people who were at a fair on the ice expecting to have a good time and not randomly die. Though if the baddie gave a fig about human lives he would have fed the poopwhale cows. Or sheep. Or pigs. Or geriatric horses destined for the glue factory. That's assuming the poopwhale will only eat living things (some wild animals are like that) if it isn't so fussy he could fed it bundles of off-cuts and offal from the slaughter houses. Presumably it didn't evolve to eat just humans (or the Doctor has made a terrible mistake) so the only reason it isn't eating animals is because there are migrating deer or seals or whatever on the ice in the middle of London, and it's captors decided promoting the frost fair was cheaper than feeding it livestock.
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# ? May 3, 2017 17:47 |
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Bicyclops posted:Not today, Satan. And then you get Skyped by YOURSELF AND YOU ARE DEAD AND SO IS A RELATIVE YOU HAD THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT BEFORE.
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# ? May 3, 2017 18:27 |
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Astroman posted:Not only that, to be fair the people who were working in the mines chose to work there and could in theory not do so (yes their opportunities weren't great but still...). It's sci-fi but let's not go completely mad now
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# ? May 3, 2017 22:30 |
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Facebook Aunt posted:Though if the baddie gave a fig about human lives he would have fed the poopwhale cows. Or sheep. Or pigs. Or geriatric horses destined for the glue factory. That's assuming the poopwhale will only eat living things (some wild animals are like that) if it isn't so fussy he could fed it bundles of off-cuts and offal from the slaughter houses. And now I'm worried about that elephant from the opening scene
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# ? May 3, 2017 22:32 |
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Facebook Aunt posted:Though if the baddie gave a fig about human lives he would have fed the poopwhale cows He clearly didn't, but it's bringing to attention something the series should really do its best to avoid (at least in the current incarnation) - that the Doctor only gets involved with individual Bad Things That Happen and doesn't tend to go after structural problems so much any more. It's a very modern liberal view (Trump is a problem, the systematic inequality which drove people to vote for him can just be swept under the carpet, that kind of thing) MrL_JaKiri fucked around with this message at 23:31 on May 3, 2017 |
# ? May 3, 2017 23:29 |
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Cerv posted:And now I'm worried about that elephant from the opening scene
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# ? May 3, 2017 23:31 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:He clearly didn't, but it's bringing to attention something the series should really do its best to avoid (at least in the current incarnation) - that the Doctor only gets involved with individual Bad Things That Happen and doesn't tend to go after structural problems so much any more. It's a very modern liberal view (Trump is a problem, the systematic inequality which drove people to vote for him can just be swept under the carpet, that kind of thing) I'm going to go and look up the last time the Doctor started a good proper revolution. I've a nasty lurching feeling that it might just have been The Happiness Patrol...
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# ? May 4, 2017 00:14 |
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Trin Tragula posted:I'm going to go and look up the last time the Doctor started a good proper revolution. I've a nasty lurching feeling that it might just have been The Happiness Patrol... It's been a while since I've seen it, but Planet of the Ood maybe? Arguably the Gangers two-parter as well. Also, the Series 9 premier had the "your sewers are revolting" line.
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# ? May 4, 2017 00:39 |
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Trin Tragula posted:I'm going to go and look up the last time the Doctor started a good proper revolution. I've a nasty lurching feeling that it might just have been The Happiness Patrol... I was thinking about it and I can't really think of anything he instigated himself. There are a few cases of him toppling a leader like Harriet Jones (former Prime Minister) or supporting in principle revolutionaries like the Ood even if he didn't necessarily agree with their actions, but nothing where he showed up and set about completely upending the entire system largely just because he can. Edit: Yeah the Gangers is probably the closest thing I can think of.
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# ? May 4, 2017 00:40 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:He clearly didn't, but it's bringing to attention something the series should really do its best to avoid (at least in the current incarnation) - that the Doctor only gets involved with individual Bad Things That Happen and doesn't tend to go after structural problems so much any more. It's a very modern liberal view (Trump is a problem, the systematic inequality which drove people to vote for him can just be swept under the carpet, that kind of thing)
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# ? May 4, 2017 00:41 |
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Jerusalem posted:Harriet Jones (former Prime Minister) Yes, we know who she is
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