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cargohills posted:Phil Sandifer, of overlong Doctor Who blog fame, made a good point that the character played by Richard Hurndall and David Bradley - "the First Doctor" - was never really played by William Hartnell, except for in The Three Doctors. I quite like his distinction, that Hartnell didn't play "The First Doctor" he just played The Doctor, because while he was in the role there was no "Second Doctor".
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Bicyclops posted:An actor doing an imitation of another actor's performance of a specific character is weird, though. It limits the potential of the new actor to give their interpretation of the role (they are specifically imitating another actor's imitation rather than giving their own) quote:and also feels disrespectful to to the original actor they're imitating. What is disrespectful about trying to portray another actor's performance? How is that fundamentally different than like... all other acting? I'll concede it's got less room for creativity and new life and all that, but in terms of respect/morality I'm having trouble seeing the issue.
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Jul 3, 2017 18:48
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It's not like the guy is going to get his own run as Doctor Who. It's just some fan service for the Christmas episode. They'll probably talk to each other about regenerating and then move on.
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Jul 3, 2017 18:50
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2house2fly posted:I quite like his distinction, that Hartnell didn't play "The First Doctor" he just played The Doctor, because while he was in the role there was no "Second Doctor". Wasn't that exactly the distinction the David Bradley Doctor made at the end of the last episode?
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Jul 3, 2017 18:52
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Frankly, I feel like recasting the Doctor and coming up with the regeneration mechanism while Hartnell was still alive was way more disrespectful to him as a person. (Though I understand why it happened. And I'm certainly not complaining, as it led to... the entire rest of the franchise.)
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Jul 3, 2017 18:54
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Cojawfee posted:I don't see how it's any different from replacing Becky on Roseanne. That's what casting Patrick Troughton was.
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Jul 3, 2017 18:58
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Cojawfee posted:It's not like the guy is going to get his own run as Doctor Who. It's just some fan service for the Christmas episode. They'll probably talk to each other about regenerating and then move on. What if he does though? 1 said he would return someday. What if 13 regenerates into 1.b? 
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Jul 3, 2017 19:07
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Then I'd like to see how they film a whole season of an action adventure show with a 75 year old man.
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Jul 3, 2017 19:15
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Cojawfee posted:Then I'd like to see how they film a whole season of an action adventure show with a 75 year old man. They could just hire some young fellow to play a doctor to do all the action scenes, just in case.
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Jul 3, 2017 19:20
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They should get Tom Baker to play Hartnell's Doctor. Problem solved.
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Jul 3, 2017 19:23
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I have come to the conclusion that I only thought the first half was good because I was filling in the gaps with Spare Parts. Huh. I've still not gotten around to listening to Spare Parts and I thought the first half was great. The hospital scenes just are disturbing.
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Jul 3, 2017 19:24
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Bicyclops posted:They could just hire some young fellow to play a doctor to do all the action scenes, just in case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgLgE0Ok3LI&t=52s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBJjLdgXsCM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz5mnMdZEwU To get the full effect, watch these in order, then watch the first one on repeat. Oh Harry.
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Jul 3, 2017 19:27
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Jul 3, 2017 20:10
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Well, I know what's going in the OP of the hiatus thread!
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Jul 3, 2017 20:46
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We kinda drifted past this topic, but last night I was talking to my dad - an old school Doctor Who fan who didn't like Tennant or Smith very much - and he told me that he basically skipped the last few seasons because he didn't like Capaldi. I didn't ask him to elaborate since that's not his way, but it was really interesting to have a counter-example to the notion that it's only teenage girls craving a Sexy Doctor who didn't like Capaldi.
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Jul 3, 2017 21:07
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What were his reasons?
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Jul 3, 2017 21:25
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I loved the idea of Capaldi as the Doctor, but I hated the implementation. Clara was intolerable. This season really picked up due to Pearl Mackie and Michelle Gomez, but Moffat is clearly out of ideas and I won't miss him. Capaldi could have been a love letter to the old series, a proper crusty weirdo bastard like Troughton, a stately but off kilter grandpa like Hartnell, an over the top fop who thinks he's James Bond like Pertwee. Smith was endearing because he was perpetually a bit out of touch, like your uncle who was in a rock band in the 70s and still thinks he's that guy. They did the same thing with Capaldi, except it's not endearing at all because he takes everything so loving seriously. I really, really wish they kept the cast going into the new series. I feel like this Doctor finally got the cast he needed this season, and a new writing team could make something amazing happen. I guess we'll never find out.
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Jul 3, 2017 21:47
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Bicyclops posted:It's definitely Exile. Exile is the second worst Big Finish story, behind only Creed of the Kromon; He Jests at Scars doesn't come anywhere close to being that bad. Like, most of the Irish Wildthyme stories are probably worse than Jests. Nekromanteia. Cojawfee posted:Then I'd like to see how they film a whole season of an action adventure show with a 75 year old man. Scott Glenn off Daredevil could do it.
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Jul 3, 2017 22:24
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Wheat Loaf posted:Nekromanteia. It's close but I'd still put that behind those other two. Ugh.
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Jul 3, 2017 22:25
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I thought Capaldi was fun, the guy who is so old he's long since stopped caring what people think about him. He doesn't give a poo poo if the Sonic Sunglasses and electric guitar are ridiculous, he likes them so he'll play with them. The only opinions he values are his own, and his more impressive companions at times. When he was pondering whether he was a good man, it wasn't asking the people he saved on his adventures, it was asking himself. Hell he's so obstinate that he had a group of people terrified of the cybermen keep one in their barn on the off chance that she was still herself enough not to hurt anyone.
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Jul 3, 2017 22:27
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Echoing everyone else, I love Capaldi's Doctor. Shame about all the poo poo episodes he had to endure during his tenure though.  An even bigger shame is that I can say the exact same thing about Matt Smith.
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Jul 3, 2017 22:56
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Cojawfee posted:What were his reasons? I understand that reading is a skill that some lack, so I'll quote myself: MisterBibs posted:I didn't ask him to elaborate since that's not his way
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Jul 3, 2017 22:58
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Echoing nobody else, I love Capaldi's Doctor and I'm glad he got to be in some of the best episodes of the series.
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Jul 3, 2017 23:01
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Echoing everyone else, I love Capaldi's Doctor. Shame about all the poo poo episodes he had to endure during his tenure though. Is there a single doctor (excluding John Hurt) that this couldn't be said for?
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Jul 3, 2017 23:04
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MisterBibs posted:We kinda drifted past this topic, but last night I was talking to my dad - an old school Doctor Who fan who didn't like Tennant or Smith very much - and he told me that he basically skipped the last few seasons because he didn't like Capaldi. I didn't ask him to elaborate since that's not his way, but it was really interesting to have a counter-example to the notion that it's only teenage girls craving a Sexy Doctor who didn't like Capaldi. If he doesn't like Tennant, or Smith, or Capaldi, I feel like there's a better explanation for that than anything really specific to any of them.
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Jul 3, 2017 23:12
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Austen Tassletine posted:Is there a single doctor (excluding John Hurt) that this couldn't be said for? Patrick Troughton 
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Jul 3, 2017 23:13
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Jerusalem posted:Patrick Troughton No, the Dominators is dreadful.
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Jul 3, 2017 23:32
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Yeah sounds like your dad simply prefers what he grew up with.
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Jul 3, 2017 23:34
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Lampsacus posted:Yeah sounds like your dad simply prefers what he grew up with. No doubt, but the point that surprised me was that he stopped watching. He'd watch anything with 9, 10, and 11, even if he'd talk about how he didn't like the Doctors, but actively stopped watching with 12 and cited Capaldi as the reason.
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Jul 3, 2017 23:36
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I wonder what the suits were made of that looked metallic but also the stuntmen were able to bounce around in without getting hurt.
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Jul 3, 2017 23:37
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The_Doctor posted:No, the Dominators is dreadful. There were some real stinkers in the Baker and Davison years too but there weren't entire year-long writeoffs like Trial of a Time Lord or, frankly, the first two years of Capaldi. Though I did like the one where Clara loving dies already. Honestly, Doctor Who is only ever as good as its companions. I have to think that if poor Colin Baker hadn't been saddled to Peri, he would have had a better run. Much as I think we wouldn't look so kindly on McCoy if Ace wasn't basically the best companion ever.
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twistedmentat posted:I wonder what the suits were made of that looked metallic but also the stuntmen were able to bounce around in without getting hurt. Foam. You can make a lot of things look like metal from far enough away. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmSnKx2jELg
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Jul 3, 2017 23:52
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All the explosion stunts is probably why they didn't make more unique Cyberman suits. Also they probably have at least a dozen or so of each revival suit so if one or two are irreparably damaged, it's not a big loss and if it's still wearable and salvageable, there's surely a use for a "Damaged Cyberman" suit.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The trouble is that it's always an impression of Hartnell, and it feels ghoulish to me. Same as the CGI Peter Cushing. So I guess you're not onboard for the Dr. Who feature film remake, eh? 
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Jul 4, 2017 01:52
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Bicyclops posted:It's definitely Exile. Exile is the second worst Big Finish story, behind only Creed of the Kromon; He Jests at Scars doesn't come anywhere close to being that bad. Like, most of the Irish Wildthyme stories are probably worse than Jests. I can't hate Exile, simply because I broke out a stupid grin every time David Tennant said anything, since he's having so much fun doing the "Time Lord out of water" bit. Ditto Michael Jayston in "He Jests At Scars", even with an absurd amount of continuity wankery. It's me, I'm the one with the incomprehensible bad opinion!  Boy That Time Forgot is about the only one I've heard that's vile as Kromon or Nekromanteia.
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2house2fly posted:
Moffat got me one last time, by not trying to get me. Oh, that man...
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Jul 4, 2017 04:58
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Bicyclops posted:I sort of doubt it, to be honest. It seems very clear that Chibnall wants to do his own thing and start fresh, which makes total sense. docbeard posted:I think Matt Lucas has said otherwise, but I would sure love to be wrong.  not too sure on spoiler rules
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Jul 4, 2017 05:14
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Dongicus posted:this is the least poo poo doctor who has been in years but thats mostly down to the performances Yeah, Peter doing Smith's body language doing "When the Doctor was me" got me a bit, and I'm still not really a DW fan. Carbon dioxide posted:What surprised me is that in very recent interviews, such as in that latest fan show, Moffat admitted that last week saturday, they weren't even done filming yesterday's episode. Yes, but there's a specific reason for it being that extreme which I'm sure will be clear around xmas.
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Jul 4, 2017 12:08
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echoplex posted:Yes, but there's a specific reason for it being that extreme which I'm sure will be clear around xmas. I'm guessing they're really going to go to town on wrecking the Console Room set, given it's the last untouched thing between the Moffat years and a clean start under Chibnall. I'm surprised Peter Capaldi hasn't tried to buy it off the BBC and have it transported to his home.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I'm guessing they're really going to go to town on wrecking the Console Room set, given it's the last untouched thing between the Moffat years and a clean start under Chibnall. I'm pretty sure he's already got one. Or two.
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