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Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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After what seems like a lifetime, the classic television series Mystery Science Theater 3000 Doctor Who is back for a new series! Remember Doctor Who? The show about the guy with the time machine that was first broadcast during the Douglas-Home government? You know, he fights monsters and robot. C'mon, it's got old what's-his-face in it, the guy from the Thick of It.

Anyway, Doctor Who is about to embark on 12 new episodes (not including the Christmas special) where he will do battle with enemies new and old alongside Nardole, who has been promoted from 'Christmas companion' to 'actual companion', and new companion Bill. From the trailers we've seen (which I'm not posting here due to the presence of a returning nemesis that will appear in the penultimate episode), she is a bit naive. Being a lunchlady might do that! Considering this is Peter Capaldi's last series as the Doctor and Stephen Moffat's last series as showrunner, it is unknown whether or not Bill will stick around longer than this year. Perhaps Chris Chibnall, who is taking over the show in 2018, wants a clean slate like the one RTD gave Moffat in 2010. We don't know!

The series runs weekly from 15 April to 1 July (with no Eurovision break, thank goodness):

1) The Pilot
2) Smile
3) Thin Ice
4) Knock Knock
5) Oxygen
6) Extremis
7) The Pyramid at the End of the World
8) The Lie of the Land
9) Empress of Mars
10) The Eaters of Light
11) World Enough and Time
12) The Doctor Falls

In addition, RiffTrax (Mike Nelson, Kevin Murphy, and Bill Corbett) will riff the Five Doctors on August 17th in cinemas across the United States (and possibly Canada)! If you live outside the US, RiffTrax will eventually release an audio file of just the jokes, since they have done that for live shows where there are rights issues. Us Americans will spoil all the good jokes for you anyway.

The previous thread can be found here. Now for the formalities.

NO SPOILERS
By edict of the moderators, this is a SPOILER-FREE ZONE. Other than backstage stuff (hiring people), DO NOT POST SPOILERS. AT ALL. Even if the Washington Post reveals video of Donald Trump handing a big stack of government secrets to Vladimir Putin and one of the papers is labeled 'Martha Jones is a Rutan', DON'T POST IT HERE. If you must post about spoilers, go to the spoiler thread. Episode titles can be spoiler-y, so use discretion when discussing episodes yet to air. For example, 'Hide' doesn't spoil anything, but 'OH poo poo IT'S THE DALEKS' does.

HOWEVER, and this is important, as soon as HRH the Queen watches the show on BBC One, anything that happens on-air will no longer be considered a spoiler (next week's preview not withstanding). That means us Johnny Foreigners who don't use :filez: need to stay away from this thread for most of Saturday (and Sunday, depending on if you live in Australia or New Zealand). Since it's the British public who funds Doctor Who, they get the right to post about the pro-Brexit scribe [insert your least favorite writer here] made the Doctor say before everyone else.

WHERE DO I START?
If you want to start with the revival, you should start with The Eleventh Hour. This doesn't mean to disregard the 9th and 10th Doctor's stories, but it's the easiest way to get caught up. If you want to watch the original series, there are plenty of places to start. You COULD start with An Unearthly Child and watch everything in chronological order. You could also watch individual serials of all the Doctors and determine which you like the best. Keep in mind, don't shotgun a whole Hartnell or Troughton in one go, or else you'll get complacent. Those 60's episodes are meant to be seen one at a time, and if you only just rented the DVD, wait a few hours between episodes.

The most popular serials for the original series you can jump into are:

First Doctor: An Unearthly Child, The Aztecs
Second Doctor: The Tomb of the Cybermen, The Enemy of the World
Third Doctor: Spearhead from Space, Carnival of Monsters
Fourth Doctor: Pyramids of Mars, The Robots of Death
Fifth Doctor: Kinda, Frontios
Sixth Doctor: Vengeance on Varos, Revelation of the Daleks
Seventh Doctor: Dragonfire, Remembrance of the Daleks

WHERE CAN I WATCH DOCTOR WHO ON TELEVISION?

Original Series:
USA - Retro TV, some PBS stations
Australia - Syfy
UK and Canada - you're out of luck

Current Series:
UK - BBC One (first run), Watch
USA - BBC America (first run), most PBS stations
Canada - Space
Australia - ABC1 (first run), ABC2, Syfy

WHERE CAN I STREAM DOCTOR WHO?

Original Series:
USA - BritBox*
Everyone else - you're out of luck (Australians can watch the TV movie on Stan, though!)

*absent but mentioned are Day of the Daleks, Planet of the Daleks, the Five Doctors, Resurrection of the Daleks, Revelation of the Daleks, and Remembrance of the Daleks. Absent and not mentioned are the Abominable Snowmen, the Ice Warriors, and Earthshock.

Current Series:
UK - Netflix
USA - Amazon Video
Canada - CraveTV
Australia - Netflix & Stan

SHOULD I BUY THE DVDs AND BLU RAYS?
Just for the bonus features alone.

AN INCREASINGLY LESS BRIEF GUIDE TO BIG FINISH
There are hundreds, probably thousands of Doctor Who and Doctor Who-related audio dramas released by Big Finish Productions. This is not a post telling you what audio dramas to listen to, because everyone has an opinion that is different from everyone else (some people like Minuet in Hell, believe it or not). This is a post telling you the basic info on the different series of titles there are. I'm only covering ongoing ranges, since devoting a paragraph to the Stage Plays seems a bit silly. If you're wondering why I'm about to spend a good portion of the OP about audio dramas, you are clearly new to the Doctor Who thread.

The Monthly Range
Since 1999, Big Finish have released, on a consistent basis, mostly standalone stories featuring the Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh (formerly including Eighth) Doctors. Up to 225th(!) release this month.

The Fourth Doctor Adventures
Tom Baker gets his own line of releases.

Philip Hinchcliffe Presents
Back on again! Another Tom Baker line of releases, all based on stories written by former showrunner Philip Hinchcliffe.

The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield
Sylvester McCoy (and later, David Warner) plays a supporting role to Bernice Summerfield, a companion introduced in the Virgin New Adventures line of books.

Novel Adaptations
Based on Virgin New Adventures and Virgin Missing Adventures, the book ranges that lasted Doctor Who fans from 1991 to 1997.

The Eighth Doctor Adventures / Dark Eyes / Doom Coalition
Paul McGann's Doctor also gets his own line. Goons love 'em.

The Companion Chronicles / The Early Adventures
This is important: THESE ARE NOT AUDIO DRAMAS. These are "enhanced audiobooks" for the most part, which means that one person does all the parts while another gives narration, but also contains sound effects and music cues. The Companion Chronicles usually feature just one actor, while the Early Adventures feature small casts.

Spinoffs
There are a ton of these, ranging from good (I, Davros) to who gives a poo poo (anything involving a companion from the audio series).

FINALLY, here's a quote from ten years ago about The Shakespeare Code:

Why cookie Rocket posted:

Second-worst episode ever, easily.

Hahahahahaha, holy poo poo.

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Edward Mass
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You caused Brexit.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Well, if Chibnall writes 4 episodes a series, that's two series of Doctor Who that will have quality!

Edward Mass
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Doctor Spaceman posted:

It's happened a few times that I can think of. Kroll is just a massive wild animal, the ultimate threat in Inferno is a natural disaster, and there is no intelligence at work behind Kill the Moon or The Forest of the Night.

I'll say! :holymoley:

Edward Mass
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Very good. It's everything needed for a starting point, which we really haven't had since 2010.

Edward Mass
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adhuin posted:

Eurovision should start at around 8 pm UTC, so Who might get bumped.

From what I've read, there is no Eurovision preemption. Straight on until 1 July.

Edward Mass
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What other iconic villain would you put in the Daleks' spot? The Cybermen? The Sontarans? Comedic third answer?

Edward Mass
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Rhyno posted:

I'm fairly certain that I read that part of the contract to keep using the Daleks in the revival required a full Dalek episode per season?

Series 6 had no Dalek episode. A Dalek showed up in The Wedding of River Song, but it was on screen for about 30 seconds.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Much like last week, the episode exceeded my expectations. The ending was a bit confusing, but it wasn't aggravating.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Has anyone said Class feels a lot like Torchwood series 1 & 2?

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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British ratings have come in for The Pilot, and they're higher than anything from series 9 (not counting the Christmas specials)!

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howe_sam posted:

That reminds me, was her Queen Victoria show any good?

It's not my cup of tea, but it is very pretty. The show also has Eve Myles in it in a supporting role, which I didn't know ahead of time.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I'm hoping we get a Doctor that's also a DJ by 2040.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I highly, HIGHLY doubt Patrick Troughton will make a cameo appearance.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Getting Christopher Eccleston to do Doctor Who again isn't exactly easy. There's a reason why he wasn't in the Day of the Doctor except for archival footage.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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And, if you watched the last episode, 12 brought Bill to the Frost Fair and not 2017.

Edward Mass
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Entertaining enough. Great series so far.

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FreezingInferno posted:

Still need to do a rewatch but on first viewing I'm very pleased that Doctor Who took a definitive stance of being pro-punching out racists.

Also Capaldi's speech to said racist a little later on was really good.

Well, Rory DID punch Hitler.

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...was white-washed. :v:

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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It really shows how much Doctor Who stuff there is when this is the fourth different Doctor to visit the 1814 frost fair, if one accepts all material equally. Also, this is the third time the Thames' freezing has been explained!

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Black Orchid.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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The BBC iPlayer will have a binaural version of the next episode on the web immediately after it airs on BBC One.

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CobiWann posted:

Clarence Boddicker vs. the Daleks. I'd buy that for a dollar.

FTFY

Edward Mass
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If this is the worst episode of the series, I think we'll be just fine.

Edward Mass
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AndyElusive posted:

Sorry, someone explain why 88% can be read as a Nazi thing because I don't see or know the connection.

88 is code for Heil Hiter, as H is the 8th letter of the alphabet.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Wow, I guess Tennant really liked Big Finish!

Now we wait for a full Five/Ten crossover.

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Bicyclops posted:

I mean, he worked for them a ton before he even played the Doctor, so of course he'd come back to reprise the role.

Oh. Right. :downs:

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Doctor Who is going to China, with SMG Pictures holding the rights for Series 1-15. That's right, Series 15 (Season 41).

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Patrick Ness, who created and wrote Class, is done with the show. That's that, probably.

Edward Mass
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:

Theres a 12 and bill book called diamond dogs, but it doesn't look like its set in the cold war?

Maybe it's set in 1984.

Edward Mass
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It's the problem any fictional work not explicitly about race has if it takes place before, oh, 1970. You want to be accurate for the time, but you can't exactly tell casting 'whites only'.

Edward Mass
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Sad King Billy posted:

Your belief is easily beggared it would seem.

The series should not be afraid to show that the world was not a good place back then, it isn't a good place now and probably won't ever be since history seems to be cyclical. I'm generally annoyed by the shows glib treatment of history, Gatiss himself portrayed Churchill as a naughty schoolboy when in fact he was a deeply flawed person.

If only the show could be a little braver and not be afraid to tear down monuments.

What you want is Black Mirror.

Edward Mass
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My dad was more confused by breathable air on Mars.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Doctor Who is about an alien with a machine that can go anywhere in space and time, and people want the show to be about the history of racism around the world and how no one can change it.

Edward Mass
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remusclaw posted:

I'm pretty sure it was too much for them then as well and that's why they put it into a cape.

The cape just makes it...well, I'M not going to say it.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I want to hear McQueen regenerate into Jacobi, so Big Finish had better do it.

Edward Mass
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Nice little bottle episode. One of those 'and that's how it happened!' stories with no agenda but entertainment.

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DoctorWhat posted:

There were a shitton of "agendas" at work in this one. Anti-imperialism, a discussion of how norms and categories for sexual and romantic attraction differed across time and cultures...

Not that kind of an agenda. A storytelling agenda. Like, no major series-long narrative was involved.

Edward Mass
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I just discovered the song Tallulah sings in Daleks in Manhattan has a reprise in the End of Time during the Doctor's scene with Captain Jack :psyduck:

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I'm glad they didn't call this episode Genesis of the Cybermen for a few reasons, but hearing the Master say the line would've made a good ending to the episode if it was called that. Either way, I got fooled as to Mr. Razor's identity until he met Missy. Simm is a really, REALLY good actor.

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