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Given nobody else mentioned it - The sequel Season of Yuki Yuna definitely starts out having Being Meguca a thing, but oh gosh, the ending of it all is one of my favorite things in any series ever. Then again YuYuYu is now one of my favorite things period
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And if you want something like Madoka at all, watch Yuki Yuna, because I want more people to discuss that with damnit
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SatoshiMiwa posted:The first few 3 episodes of season 2 is the Washio Sumi episodes that aired in theaters and have some comedy before we get to suffering. Some of it's Nationalism though But then the suffering leads to the ultimate best moment in the series where the Hero Club does what it does best and it's all worth it
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SatoshiMiwa posted:I didn't think the build up and suffering was worth it to me. I was hoping the show would go in a new direction and not rehashing stuff from the first season. The sacrifice thing was silly but I think it sort of fit the 2nd rising arc, of like...the first season is sort of them accepting that some things might be necessary, and the second is them deciding to break the rules in the best way possible.
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I know nothing about Pcure, but since Aqours led to me playing GBF a ton, well, hey. This event is fun so far. Hammy, but fun.
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^^ I adore everything I have learned from this post and it honestly fits with what I'm about to spill.Aurora posted:rebellion rules 100% top tier opinion here, rebellion is amazing surf rock posted:I would feel much better about the movie if it wasn't the end of the story, but... apparently it is? So, even if it's a reasonable character beat for Homura, ending the story there is a real downer. Madoka has been pulled from happy godhood and is suffering an epic identity crisis with universes and poo poo appearing, Homura has gone insane and is already talking about Madoka becoming her enemy before possibly committing suicide, Sayaka is also furious about what happened before getting memory-wiped (indicating that she wasn't upset about how her life had turned out before). If this was the launching point for more story, that would be rough but a potentially amazing setup. But that's it. My concern with the show when I started understanding how it was subversive was that it was just going to be misery porn, and I was so thankful that the show was more than that. But that's what the last twist felt like to me.[/spoiler] Endorph posted:rebellion's ending is way happier than the tv series' and im not kidding, and it absolutely doesnt need to be followed up on So, like...throwing this all in spoilers cause I will do a lot of speculation here. Basically I love the worldbuilding in Madoka and so have spent a stupid amount of time thinking about 'what seems likely to happen next?' post Rebellion. Rebellion/Series Only Spoilers : There's a few things you can pull from the ending and basically everything we know about Homura until now. One, she has insanely high willpower and survival instincts; no matter what she does, nobody else ever survives the loops. Two, she doesn't give a single poo poo about Kyuubey; she doesn't really hate him, because she gets how...well, alien they are. But she sure as gently caress hates what they are willing to unleash. Three, she doesn't think that it's fair that after everything, all of her suffering to save Madoka...she saves her without saving her; Madoka is lost to the world and denied the chance to simply -live- which is what Homura's wish was about. Then Rebellion happens. Kyuubey literally have captured her & crafted a Homura torture-scape to use her as bait. This only happens because Homura told Kyuubey about Witches and thus made them realize that her story was true and they could bring Witches back. This is arguably one time Kyuubey act sort human - they get greedy and chase 'more efficient' rather than 'stable but inefficient'. Point is, by the time Madoka & co teleport in, Homura is already part-witchy. So like, girl's endured a shitton of psychological trauma - literal years worth of seeing her best friend die or suffer a fate worse than death, over and over again - and then finds out oh hey, thanks to her big mouth Kyuubey is using her as bait in an effort to capture Madoka and undo everything Madoka cares about. So, you know, Homura lets herself break, goes Homulily, magical things happen and we get to THAT scene. Everyone focuses on how it's bad/wrong that Homura did it, and like, yes, that is true. But...the thing is, at this point Kyuubey now know Madoka exists. They are an alien morality that has clearly shown they care only about the increased efficiency - if witches are possible they want witches because they are paperclip optimizers in a way. They aren't going to stop trying to capture her, they're going to do to every magical girl they can what they just did to Homura. Homura is smart enough to see all of this, and so it all hinges on 'Would Kyuubey ever be able to capture Madoka, or can she keep thwarting them literally forever, because if they win once its all over'. If you believe Madoka will never lose, what Homura does is just bad. If you believe Kyuubey /can/ win, then they will eventually win, and so what Homura does is necessary, because when she rewrites the universe it's heavily implied she uses Kyuubey as the dump for all that negative emotional energy instead of having witches. Sayaka asks her if she's going to destroy the universe, and she says something like 'Maybe, after all the Wraiths are gone'...but the whole point of Wraiths is to serve as the replacement for Witches to allow the energy harvesting to continue so the universe doesn't die. So you can arguably read that as Homura telling Sayaka 'Haha, hell no I'm not' just in a...Homura way of doing it. Homura's universe has one goal : To allow Madoka to live a normal life. That's really it; and while I suppose it's possible she holds them in stasis forever, I suspect her actual goal is, well...let them grow up and just live. Eventually, they grow old, she lets Madoka remember everything and then they become immortal Goddess-Lesbians keeping the universe safe together. After this point I'm speculating about post-rebellion stuff that involves spoilers from the Madoka Concept Movie from back at Madogatari 2015. So, now we go into 'What comes next?' And this is where the concept movie heavily hints in what would come next, if they ever do Madoka Movie 4 - There's a pair of lines that mean roughly 'These days, there are a lot of cats' 'There's a lot of dead ones as well'. It's a small leap to go 'Cats / Dead Cats' = Kyuubey. And, well, it would make sense - if in Homuverse she is dumping all that witch energy into Kyuubey...she's trying to dump a river into a reservoir. Eventually the reservoir will fill up and overflow. So Homura's universe is probably unstable, because whereas Madoka as the Law of Cycles is able to handle infinite despair just fine, Kyuubey can't. Which is going to lead to Homuverse breaking down, and Madoka 4 would be about the breakdown of it. If it's meant to be the final series-ender, I totally headcanon it as Homura accepting Madoka must re-ascend, but then going with her, willingly allowing herself to be erased from the universe as well so that Madoka doesn't have to be alone. But like, also, assuming Urobochi's involved, I readily recognize it could go absolutely anywhere.
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Omnicrom posted:I'm glad I'm not the only person who got to an ending like that from Rebellion. The series did seem to be going for kind of a theme of like...'Growing up means leaving childhood behind' in a way, so yea, it ending with both of them 'growing up' like that just feels fitting.
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EVERY TIME GOING posted:The studio has had plenty of time to drum up six brand new episodes to condense into the upcoming two hour follow-up Madomagi movie since the Rebellion/concept drop. However between allocating time and resources to their other ongoing franchises and spinoffs for the past six years, who knows how smoothly that has progressed. Just how many iterations they had to scrap due to new and emerging creative directions, and on which they've finally decided to settle in bringing season 2 to a finale. All this needs to work while also resuming from such an ambiguous point that is Rebellion's ending where the main thing that was hinted at was that Satan's snow globe is a very transient place that will eventually culminate into the battleground for the final, or a series of final, battles between each character's corresponding SSJ forms. None of which would have worked if Gen Urobochi wasn't writing it, because Madoka's plot IS him and finding another Urobochi to simply make more Quality Madoka is rather lol. Like, fine, you don't care for MagiReco. In your defense, S1 of MagiReco is a mess because it is trying to rush through the game plotline without changing it, which does not work very well because in the game you are having all sorts of things besides the Main Story that introduce you to characters; MagiReco has plenty of game character cameos in the anime that like, you will have no connection to or idea who they are because everything about them was an Event in the game. But if you played the game through Season 1, it all works fairly well, makes sense, and the canonical explanation for how the universe even exists was, last I checked, Quantum Mechanics. Specifically, In this timeline, Iroha's foot hit a pebble on a path and she walked left instead of straight and this led to her meeting Kyuubey. Madokami flat out says Iroha is not fated to be a magical girl and is subsequently flat out confused by this, but decides to leave the universe untouched because Padding text in case you dont want to skip straight to a much bigger spoiler Madokami wants to keep a universe intact where she & Homura get a happy ending, and MadoKami can't intervene in this one without potentially exploding the world or whatever because her energy is not exactly compatible with it The real problem with the MagiReco anime is it is trying to condense a much bigger more complex story than OG Madoka was. OG is ultimately about Madoka & Homura. Magia Record is about Iroha, Ui, the Magius, the new Quintet, the original Quintet, and an entire city's worth of magical girls as well. The adaptation was always going to have issues because of that. S2 has done a better job, but mostly because they decided to just start axing entire plotlines and/or condensing them together, in order to make the pacing work better.
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Endorph posted:tbh i dont care if you do or dont like the show there's just a lot of faulty premises in what you're saying and also you say it in an extremely tedious way. Like you can just not like a show. It's fine. It doesn't have to be, objectively and intellectually, a complete waste of everyone's time. It can just be an anime you don't like. Yea pretty much this lol
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