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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:wtf it's Altered Beast This is the right answer from a marketing standpoint. Altered Beast did a great job of showing off how Genesis games looked and sounded better than the NES generation, and it was short enough that every Genesis owner went looking for a new game a week or so after getting the system.
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Probably Mario 64, but I also had a ton of fun with Soul Caliber. Then again, My cousin had the nes at launch and seeing SMB blew my tiny mind.
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goldeneye mp is still extremely win because i am very good at it and no one else still is
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Real hurthling! posted:goldeneye mp is still extremely win because i am very good at it and no one else still is I liked to put remote mines on walls and then screen watch other people until they pass by the other side of the wall and blow them up.
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Chomp8645 posted:I liked to put remote mines on walls and then screen watch other people until they pass by the other side of the wall and blow them up. yeah.
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Screen cheating is part of the game. I wish there was a modern FPS that had multiplayer that felt as accessible as GoldenEye or Doom. The secret: make the y-axis unimportant. That drastically compresses the skill spectrum.
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Half life 2 is technically a launch title for Steam
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Orange Harrison posted:The thing about SM64 that amazes me today is how you can still go back and play it and it's totally solid despite being a vanguard 3D title. 20-odd years later it doesn't feel unrefined or primitive like other groundbreakers such as SMB or Goldeneye. I dunno, it is a primitive tech demo in many ways but it's also still incredibly fun and feels better to play than every other 3D platformer on the system
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While it's "merely" an updated version of Super Mario 64, I feel like Super Mario 64 DS perfectly demonstrated what the new hardware could do, while polishing and updating a timeless classic. This is the reason my vote went to that over the original. Of course, there's the strong argument that the original was far, far more important, with which I don't necessarily disagree.
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Kid Fenris posted:This is the right answer from a marketing standpoint. Altered Beast did a great job of showing off how Genesis games looked and sounded better than the NES generation, and it was short enough that every Genesis owner went looking for a new game a week or so after getting the system. It's also a better game than every game on the poll.
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:It's also a better game than every game on the poll. return to your home planet immediately dude
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Spectracide posted:FantaVision Sony at their most ballsy... "Just put out that fireworks demo we made to demonstrate particle effects! Charge them $49.99! Who cares if there's SSX?!"
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Fantavision was the first PS2 game I had because the guy I bought the PS2 from on eBay included it. It was a rough couple of days until I got actual games. Seems like the kind of game you would have expected to be translated into some lovely mobile game by now though. Looper posted:I dunno, it is a primitive tech demo in many ways but it's also still incredibly fun and feels better to play than every other 3D platformer on the system That's kind of by default because pretty much every other 3D platformer of that era was hot garbage. I would say Crash Bandicoot was the exception but that was more 2.5D Goodguy3 posted:Of course, there's the strong argument that the original was far, far more important, with which I don't necessarily disagree. How do you mean by "important," though, other than being the basis for better 3D Mario games down the line? Sure, I'll give you innovative, but all of the games that tried to copy the formula turned out to be flaming poo poo, and I still have trouble thinking of any good platformers in the style of Mario 64 or any of its descendants. Are there any? raditts fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Apr 12, 2017 |
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raditts posted:Fantavision was the first PS2 game I had because the guy I bought the PS2 from on eBay included it. It was a rough couple of days until I got actual games. Also, 3D on the PC had already beaten what the 64 could do pretty much before it came out. It wasn't even a watershed technical moment.
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exquisite tea posted:It's Super Mario World, OP. It's the best game of all time.
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new phone who dis posted:Also, 3D on the PC had already beaten what the 64 could do pretty much before it came out. It wasn't even a watershed technical moment. Did any third-person 3D game before SM64 have controls as smooth and intuitive and natural-feeling as it, though? I've always thought of that, along with the great level design, as being the real innovations of SM64, rather than just the 3D graphics. Pakled fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Apr 12, 2017 |
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can you think of a third person game in a full 3d world with a fully controllable camera that played as smoothly and well as mario 64 before mario was out? there really isn't anything else that matches that description until years after the fact, and it's now just a fact of life for half the games we play
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new phone who dis posted:Also, 3D on the PC had already beaten what the 64 could do pretty much before it came out. It wasn't even a watershed technical moment. Name one fucker
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Was torn between Super Mario World and Rogue Squadron. Had to ultimately go with Mario World as I simply replay it a fuckload more.
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Super Mario Bros. bc it's the link from Atari-era poo poo that was like just barely representational and not remotely fun to play to modern classics that you can actually go back and appreciate and understand. I think you can honestly and reasonably describe all vidya games as pre-SMB and post-SMB and I don't think you can do that for any other launch title.
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Brosnan posted:Super Mario Bros. bc it's the link from Atari-era poo poo that was like just barely representational and not remotely fun to play to modern classics that you can actually go back and appreciate and understand. I think you can honestly and reasonably describe all vidya games as pre-SMB and post-SMB and I don't think you can do that for any other launch title. This is an awesome point. Also, the top 5 results are all nintendo games.
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Brosnan posted:Super Mario Bros. bc it's the link from Atari-era poo poo that was like just barely representational and not remotely fun to play to modern classics that you can actually go back and appreciate and understand. I think you can honestly and reasonably describe all vidya games as pre-SMB and post-SMB and I don't think you can do that for any other launch title. That really is a great point to make, it was a paradigm shift. Nintendo has always been the trendsetters like that. Not just with SMB but with SM64 too.
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Wave Race was a few weeks late to the N64 release both in the EU and US, but I got it with the console and it was my fav near launch game. I put way more hours into it than Mario 64. Similarly on Gamecube, Wave Race: Blue Storm was my go to launch game, and the only title I played throughout the console's lifespan. Man, that was a beautiful game! The sad thing is I had forgotten that those games even existed until I looked up a list of console launch titles just now. Attack on Princess fucked around with this message at 10:00 on Apr 12, 2017 |
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Brosnan posted:Super Mario Bros. bc it's the link from Atari-era poo poo that was like just barely representational and not remotely fun to play to modern classics that you can actually go back and appreciate and understand. I think you can honestly and reasonably describe all vidya games as pre-SMB and post-SMB and I don't think you can do that for any other launch title. I could agree with this. Gonna have to go with SM64 though, I don't have any memories of a pre-SMB world, so that is lost on me. For all I know, videogames have always been fantastic. SM64 showed just how to properly do a 3D game, and had so many secrets and tricks. The SNES was mostly a NES that just looked nicer, and a couple games had special chips. Super Mario World is just a nice evolution over SMB3, but SM64 is the one that really changed the landscape.
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What's crazy about SM64 is that it's basically one of the first 3D exploration games, but it also includes things that you'd think would've come years after, like size-shifting, changing levels, flying powerups and a hub world. It's not primitive at all. It feels like an evolved version of the concept, not a first attempt.
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Was Starfox 64 a launch title? That convinced me to get a 64 more than Mario tbh
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Away all Goats posted:Was Starfox 64 a launch title? That convinced me to get a 64 more than Mario tbh No. It came out the summer after. Barely in launch window.
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Mario 64. Super Mario Bros was also groundbreaking but wasn't really a launch title. It was also still iteration on a previous formula, the core mechanics of the game still derive from Donkey Kong and Mario Bros. While other early 3d platformers had some superficial graphical similarity, Mario 64 played nothing like them. It was completely new and yet somehow they managed to completely nail it. Most 3d platformers still don't feel as good as Mario 64 does. SCheeseman fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Apr 12, 2017 |
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raditts posted:
Psychonauts.
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raditts posted:How do you mean by "important," though, other than being the basis for better 3D Mario games down the line? Sure, I'll give you innovative, but all of the games that tried to copy the formula turned out to be flaming poo poo, and I still have trouble thinking of any good platformers in the style of Mario 64 or any of its descendants. Are there any? Banjo Kazooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day e: also DK 64 IcePhoenix fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Apr 12, 2017 |
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Pakled posted:Did any third-person 3D game before SM64 have controls as smooth and intuitive and natural-feeling as it, though? I've always thought of that, along with the great level design, as being the real innovations of SM64, rather than just the 3D graphics. the only real 3D competition at the time was Quake and Tomb Raider. Quake controls fairly well, Tomb Raider controls like absolute garbage. SM64 is still playable. Quake kinda is, Tomb Raider is almost certainly not.
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Someone is forgetting, uh, Jumping Flash?
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You all make good points. Super Mario 64 is still one of the best 3d platformers ever. Mario Galaxy 2 is better, but that's two systems later. I don't think a better game came out for the n64, which is kind of wild. Super Mario Brothers is amazingly influential but kind of clunky to play. Mario World is the best 2d platformer of all time. There have been some great ones since, like Meat Boy. But there's nothing as good as Mario World. It is a perfect game. It is so fun to play, so intuitive to control, packed with secrets and tricks and fun diversions. It's got big Monty Moles with cool sunglasses. It's the best game.
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In the middle of the grand debate between whether 'greatest' should lean more towards the timeless entertainment of Super Mario World or the Historic 3d Paradigm-shift of Mario 64, a single voter drops his slip into the 'Uncharted - Vita' box.
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The Walrus posted:can you think of a third person game in a full 3d world with a fully controllable camera that played as smoothly and well as mario 64 before mario was out? there really isn't anything else that matches that description until years after the fact, and it's now just a fact of life for half the games we play My point is that I can't think of a third person game in a full 3D world that plays like Mario after it was out, that isn't another 3D Mario game IcePhoenix posted:Banjo Kazooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day Conker's controls like absolute garbage though. The only thing that game had going for it was that it had naughty adult content and WASNT YOUR DADDYS NINTENDO GAME SwissCM posted:Mario 64. Super Mario Bros was also groundbreaking but wasn't really a launch title. It was also still iteration on a previous formula, the core mechanics of the game still derive from Donkey Kong and Mario Bros. This is silly. Super Mario Bros. has "starring Mario and Luigi, being on a 2D plane, able to hit enemies on a soft platform from below" in common with Mario Bros. and that's about it. Gameplay wise they are almost completely different. It has about as much in common with Donkey Kong as Mario 64 has with it (i.e. next to nothing), although Donkey Kong and SMB both had a huge impact on their respective eras. I can name plenty of games offhand that have clear influence from Donkey Kong or SMB that are not sequels to those games. Not so much with Mario 64. Eela6 posted:You all make good points. I dunno, personally Rayman Legends and Origins are the best 2D platformers I've ever played. Everything about those games just flows so nicely, the music fits the atmosphere perfectly, it just feels good to play them. Then again I fall toward SMB3 in the battle of Best Mario Game, so. raditts fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Apr 12, 2017 |
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raditts posted:I dunno, personally Rayman Legends and Origins are the best 2D platformers I've ever played. Everything about those games just flows so nicely, the music fits the atmosphere perfectly, it just feels good to play them. Those are excellent games but don't hit the same level for me. The music levels are very cute. SMB3 owns and is one of the greatest games of all time. It's no Super Mario World but nothing is.
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