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Sakurazuka posted:Name one fucker N64 came in September 1996 to the US. Here is a small list of games previous to that that did way more with 3d than Mario: TIE Fighter Duke Nukem 3D Descent 2
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new phone who dis posted:N64 came in September 1996 to the US. Here is a small list of games previous to that that did way more with 3d than Mario: Descent 2 is the only good game on this list
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Apr 12, 2017 21:39
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fivegears4reverse posted:Descent 2 is the only good game on this list What the gently caress.
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Apr 12, 2017 21:42
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Why is everybody forgetting the "2:Yoshi's Island" when they mention the best 2d platformer? I really liked Klonoa & Donkey Kong Country Returns, as far as post 16 bit 2d platformers go.
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Apr 12, 2017 22:01
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I'm now somewhat regretting Super Mario 64 as my vote. As groundbreaking as it was, and while still having ripple effects 20 years later, I should have gone with NES Super Mario Bros. Super Mario Bros on the NES basically singlehandedly resurrected the video game industry after the Atari 2600 debacle nearly killed it. It wasn't just launching a console. It launched a whole new era. The video game industry had undergone an Extinction Level Event through 81-83. Then 84-86 was Nintendo crawling out from a remote cave and repopulating the earth with the seeds for decades of video game evolution, with Mario leading the charge.
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Apr 12, 2017 22:05
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Luigi's Mansion, easily.
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Apr 12, 2017 22:09
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fivegears4reverse posted:Descent 2 is the only good game on this list On my way to the hospital due to the lacerations from this edgy post
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Apr 12, 2017 22:21
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new phone who dis posted:N64 came in September 1996 to the US. Here is a small list of games previous to that that did way more with 3d than Mario: THIS IS WHAT SCIENTOLOGISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
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Apr 12, 2017 22:22
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Pole Position II, Galaga and Robotron 2084. Made me buy a 7800.  Ok, so it was 25 years later and a good deal, still it's a good system for old arcade games.
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Apr 12, 2017 22:24
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Ambitious Spider posted:Why is everybody forgetting the "2:Yoshi's Island" when they mention the best 2d platformer? it's fuckin weird
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Apr 12, 2017 22:26
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an actual dog posted:it's fuckin weird This dude's not down with touching fuzzy
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Apr 12, 2017 22:28
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I mean, it's fuckin weird that folks aren't properly rating yoshi's island. good fukin game
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Apr 12, 2017 22:29
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I'm actually going to give props to the other SMB on the list and vote Super Monkey Ball. No big reason, except that I'd term it the most underrated of any launch title, and it kicks a lot of rear end. It's also worth laughing at how launch Gamecube got that as a casual multiplayer game and XBox had Fuzion Frenzy. Nice going Microsoft.
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Apr 12, 2017 22:39
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Fuzion Frenzy 3 where
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Apr 12, 2017 22:53
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Mario's Tennis
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Apr 12, 2017 23:12
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How is Kerbal Space Program not on the list?
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Apr 12, 2017 23:38
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A good launch title is both a good game in its own right and a game that introduces people to the capabilities of the new system, especially if those capabilities are significantly different from what came before. People give the N64 controller poo poo for being this weird three-lobed monster, but at the time the analog control stick was a risk: Nintendo hedged on it by making a controller that could be used either with a D-pad or with the analog stick, and then took their best shot at making a game that would convince people that it was a good idea. (Then they made the same mistake with the Gamecube controller, where they hedged on dual analog sticks with the C-stick.) Super Mario 64 starts with the courtyard, a sandbox for learning basic movement and camera control. (Also, an optional tutorial that you don't even have to opt into.) I remember seeing the Super Mario 64 demo at Target, and seeing people pick it up and run in circles around the courtyard. They didn't even go into the castle, much less into a level; they just ran around the courtyard, minds blown by the idea of controlling Mario in 3D. (That, or they got the stick out of calibration, I guess.) If you're playing it now, sure, you beeline for the castle door because analog 3D control is old hat now. And the gameplay still holds up: it's the best of the 3D adventure platformers of its era because most of them had too many gimmicks and way too many loving collectibles (Banjo-Kazooie, this is your fault). Super Mario World is a really good game but it's not revolutionary in the same sense: it feels like a natural evolution of SMB3. Super Mario Bros. was revolutionary in the sense that it brought the games industry back from the brink, but playing it now, it feels somewhat tired just because it's been ripped off so many times. Breath of the Wild and Twilight Princess weren't even exclusive to the console they launched on.
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Apr 13, 2017 00:49
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new phone who dis posted:N64 came in September 1996 to the US. Here is a small list of games previous to that that did way more with 3d than Mario: What do a bunch of first person games have to do with Mario 64 innovating 3D third person camera and controls?
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Apr 13, 2017 00:52
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If mario 64 didn't come out 3D games would have been set back anywhere from months to years (crash could probably have filled the void given how they were already toeing the 3D border with crash 1) but if Bros didn't come out there might not even be a videogame market
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Apr 13, 2017 01:09
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wheres candy crush op
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Apr 13, 2017 01:09
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Some serious rose-tinted glasses about how well Mario64 controlled. The camera lag and catch up behavior, how it was treated as an actor bumping into walls rather than clipping, re-orienting itself and such, was a big step forward though. Stretching his face was the best part, which they never did again either... Guy who said Altered Beast is right, "Wise from your waves and wescue my water!"
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Apr 13, 2017 01:19
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Yo Yoshi's Island was amazing. One of the last classic SNES games.
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Apr 13, 2017 01:40
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I thought Banjo Kazooie was a better 3D game than SM64. Mainly just on camera controls alone. To take it a different discussion - what was the best launch window? It's hard to think of one better than the PS2 which had GT3, FFX, Jak and Daxter plus a bunch of others I'm forgetting.
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Apr 13, 2017 02:06
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raditts posted:On my way to the hospital due to the lacerations from this edgy post If you're going to name contemporary PC games that "did more in 3D" than Super Mario 64, at least name good ones. He named Descent 2, which is good. If he named Descent 1, Quake 1, Mechwarrior 2, it'd be a longer list of good PC games. None of which are better than Mario 64 anyway so
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Apr 13, 2017 02:14
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It's armored core 2 on ps2
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Apr 13, 2017 04:00
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fivegears4reverse posted:If you're going to name contemporary PC games that "did more in 3D" than Super Mario 64, at least name good ones. He named Descent 2, which is good. If he named Descent 1, Quake 1, Mechwarrior 2, it'd be a longer list of good PC games. You're one of those people that thought Goldeneye was "revolutionary" too, aren't you
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Apr 13, 2017 04:03
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raditts posted:You're one of those people that thought Goldeneye was "revolutionary" too, aren't you No, I liked GoldenEye a lot because more of my friends could play it and have fun. I'm glad you can still post from the hospital though, stay safe
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Apr 13, 2017 04:11
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fivegears4reverse posted:No, I liked GoldenEye a lot because more of my friends could play it and have fun. I didn't make it, I died and it's all your loving fault
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Apr 13, 2017 04:32
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Original NES Super Mario was my first video game 
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Apr 13, 2017 04:37
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It's a stone cold tie between NES Super Mario Bros and Mario 64. Both of these games basically defined and shaped gaming as we know it.
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Apr 13, 2017 06:14
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I don't know why because I like other games on the list more, but Halo stands out to me since it sold so many people on a brand new system with no history and also brought FPS to consoles in a pretty big way (not discounting Goldeneye as being a big game).
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Apr 13, 2017 06:31
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Thinking about which early 3D games are still fun and I'm struggling to think of a better example than SM64. It's a better game than the pseudo-sequels Banjo-Kazooie or DK64. Those are overloaded and bloated. Mario 64 has enough to make every level fun and interesting and is never overly repetitive or forceful in directing you. DK64 literally grinds to a halt so you are forced to play the arcade DK game. It's unreasonable and made me give up on the entire thing. BK is similar in that the progression requirements are too high and it forces you to do a whole bunch of unfun collecting. SM64 lets you get by on 60% - 80% completion so you can keep having fun. The others make you go do homework.
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Apr 13, 2017 09:18
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The worst was how Jet Force Gemini actually requires you to find all those stupid koalas before you can access the last part of the game, which just effectively means going through every level 5-6 times as you pointlessly search around with each of the characters. As a kid I was having a lot of fun with the game up until that point.
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Apr 13, 2017 10:53
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Yep. That's another example of how developers gently caress up the idea that 'collecting = fun'. It's fun to grab coins or whatever, but putting such a high threshold before completion is idiotic. DK64 has you play both Jetpack AND DK64 to a pretty high standard. It's probably the hardest part of the game - completing another, different game in the middle of it. Imagine if Halo had you pop out a few rounds of Peggle before the end of the game. Compare that to Breath Of The Wild's "just go for it", it's remarkable how far we've come concerning gating conclusions.
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Apr 13, 2017 11:14
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exquisite tea posted:The worst was how Jet Force Gemini actually requires you to find all those stupid koalas before you can access the last part of the game, which just effectively means going through every level 5-6 times as you pointlessly search around with each of the characters. As a kid I was having a lot of fun with the game up until that point. Didn't Conker's BFD do the same thing, where you have to find stacks of money to bribe your way past certain points in the game? I remember there was one that took me forever to find.
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Apr 13, 2017 15:53
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well why not posted:Yep. That's another example of how developers gently caress up the idea that 'collecting = fun'. It's fun to grab coins or whatever, but putting such a high threshold before completion is idiotic.
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Apr 13, 2017 16:32
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Majora's Mask launched with the expansion pac, does that count? edit: Hey you pikachu launched with the n64 mic Plebian Parasite fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Apr 13, 2017 |
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Apr 13, 2017 18:25
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With Jet Force Gemini, there was quite a bit of game already there before that point. It was kind of cool that after you "beat" the game, there were still whole areas of the game that you hadn't seen before that you needed to go back to.
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Apr 13, 2017 20:04
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Plebian Parasite posted:Majora's Mask launched with the expansion pac, does that count? In that case, it's Seaman
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zenintrude posted:In that case, it's Seaman i'm ok with this.
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