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My interpretation is that the idea that the Hollow Knight was tainted by was the moment that it looked back at the Knight in the Abyss flashback and felt pity for it.
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here is my totally unbacked theory the hollow knight was never actually corrupted and the whole plan to make a totally hollow being to hold in the radiance was always doomed to fail. people just thought it was corrupted as an excuse. i bet if you take it into yourself it would eventually find its way back out just like it did the previous time. i mean there has to be a reason why killing it is the super ending right?
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Dec 20, 2017 07:48
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I sort of agree with you. IMO, creating a truly hollow being would contain the Radiance indefinitely but it is impossible to achieve. Even if a Vessel was empty at creation, it would inevitably develop a thought or idea of its own. Look at the Knight. Instead of being a mindless void golem, it delivers flowers, rescues Zote (multiple times), fights in an arena and takes the time to enjoy a peaceful moment with Quirrel at Blue Lake.
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One thing I wonder tying into all this is what influence the King's bargain with Herrah might have had on the whole thing. We know that the King wanted her to become a dreamer but she'd only do it for the bargain of him giving her a child - that child being Hornet, who is clearly emotive, intelligent and not "hollow" in any sense of the word despite being made of the same void stuff the vessels were made of, proving that void creations are definitely capable of being more than mindless drones. I wonder if it's possible that the King was affected emotionally by Hornet's creation and gave him a desire for a child of his own, which caused him to either consciously or subconsciously endow his vessel creation attempts with emotions to varying degrees, which is why we see so many discarded ones in the Abyss. We also know the King deeply and horribly regretted the whole ordeal - if you basically made hundreds upon hundreds of children that visibly loved you but were just constantly forced to discard them for not being up to the task, you'd probably feel like poo poo about it, even going so far as to just block off the entire abyss in an attempt to forget about it. I kind of wonder if the King would have made quite so many "mistakes" if not for Hornet's prior creation probably being on his mind, especially if she was the first void-created creature he ever made.
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Dec 20, 2017 14:05
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I misread the hunter's journal entry and thought the Pale King WAS the Hollow Knight (boss). Weird that it's not the case because the whole narrative works if it was true.
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Dec 20, 2017 15:33
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replaying the game the new nosk is quite a bastard to kill, and i hate it
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Dec 20, 2017 15:46
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Why do you think that Hornet is made of void stuff? She flashes white when hit like other living uninfected bugs such as the Mantises and the Dung Defender instead of black like void-based entities
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Dec 20, 2017 20:11
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SirSamVimes posted:Why do you think that Hornet is made of void stuff? She flashes white when hit like other living uninfected bugs such as the Mantises and the Dung Defender instead of black like void-based entities The Kingsmould flash white when you hit them too because they contain both soul and void. Hornet, and all of the knights, are the same way. She's a construct created by binding void and soul into a physical shell. Hornet is only different in that instead of being an emotionless tool she was explicitly designed to be a person. She has an identity, she has clear emotions, she even has a gender. The game explicitly refers to her as a sibling of the Knight so its not really debatable.
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Dec 20, 2017 20:26
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Or maybe they're siblings because they're both "fathered" by the king. I figured Hornet was the actual child of the king and Herrah. The Pale Lady said that she did not "begrudge the Wyrm's dalliance as bargain" which implies that there was more than just making another void creature. edit: Hornet being a being of void is certainly a valid interpretation but saying it's not debatable is silly. SirSamVimes fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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Dec 20, 2017 20:49
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i severely underestimated how hard Trial of the Fool would be with Jodi's Blessing equipped and no shade cloak.
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Shade cloak is pretty OP but I love the design of the mechanic. The recharge period feels really intuitive really quickly and it allows you to have a lot of fun dashing through attacks while not completely breaking the game. All games with dashes should steal this, it's perfect.
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Dec 21, 2017 02:44
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You think that's cool? Go find Sharp Shadows and see what you think. 
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The things that's really loving me up in the Fool Trial is the pogoing. One of my challenge stipulations was not using longnail or mark of pride. For most of the game that isn't an issue but pogoing with the default nail suuuuuuucks. I equipped mark of pride for Path of Pain because the end felt impossible with the default nail. I rationalized that as being a non-combat challenge so it didn't matter, but I don't wanna bend the rules here. What's really gonna suck is when I finally make it to God Tamer and lose because I just spammed spells again her the first time and won before she did much. Don't remember her attacks at all.
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Dec 21, 2017 23:02
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:replaying the game Did Nosk get a buff? When? I remember being disappointed because the fight was so easy despite the build-up.
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Dec 21, 2017 23:16
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celestial teapot posted:Did Nosk get a buff? When? I remember being disappointed because the fight was so easy despite the build-up. When the first DLC was added iirc.
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celestial teapot posted:Did Nosk get a buff? When? I remember being disappointed because the fight was so easy despite the build-up. Nosk got two new moves added in the first DLC -Stands in place flinging a flurry of acid across the arena for a few seconds -Leaps off-screen and rains acid down from above It makes him a lot less predictable so the fight feels like an actual boss now.
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Dec 21, 2017 23:24
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I died within five seconds of fighting Nosk the first time but the second time I just stood right next to the door and hit him when he ran at me. Reading the wiki, it sounds like there are a few different places in the room that he just can't get to. I do wish there was a bit more to him, since the lead up to the fight is so creepy and cool.
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Dec 21, 2017 23:27
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yeah there's no safe zones now, his acid spray can hit wherever
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Dec 21, 2017 23:29
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I didn't know about any safe zones or whatever, I just kinda dodged his attacks as well as I could. It was still pretty easy though, because it was one of the last bosses I fought in the game.
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Dec 21, 2017 23:37
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It used to be that if you just stood right next to the little raised bit in the middle of the room and swung upward whenever he passed by, he would gallop back and forth forever until he died and never be able to hurt you. Mondo anticlimax
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still is on the outward gallop, but he can dollop acid jizz on you in that position using two separate, quite quick moves plus his return gallop can now hit you in that location
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I only beat him a few weeks ago, so this was post-update. I didn't say I didn't get hit, but just standing next to the door gave me more than enough time to heal any damage from the goop launch when he wasn't around.
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He's a really unenjoyable boss fight, probably the worst one (besides maybe watcher knights). If you haven't played him post-patch you haven't missed much.
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Dec 22, 2017 00:06
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I'd say Uumuu is the worst boss if you count it.
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Dec 22, 2017 00:09
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That homage was waaaay too overt. Idk why they just decided to put metroid in the game. But that dude who helps you gets to be cool at least.
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Dec 22, 2017 00:12
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No Wave posted:(besides maybe watcher knights)  Please report to the Department of Wrong Opinions for immediate termination.
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loving finally. I did not think this challenge would be so hard but afters hours of failure I was clearly wrong. The Fool Trial is just so goddamn long that not being able to heal makes every minor choke into a huge problem. I got to God Tamer 3 times and died immediately because I have no clue how to dodge the rolling beetle without shade cloak. Couldn't exactly practice it either. So I instead resorted to a cheesy strat of sticking to the wall and letting the weaver charm kill the boss. Normally don't do stuff like that but this stopped being fun long ago. But now all I need to do is beat White Defender and I'll have done everything you can do without the shade cloak. No Wave posted:That homage was waaaay too overt. Idk why they just decided to put metroid in the game. Honestly I never even thought about it being a metroid until you mentioned it.
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The Quirrel questline is by far my favorite character/story of the game. He's so chill, and his line about getting two see the whole world twice over, each time being a new experience, really struck something in me.
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Quirrel is one of the most likeable characters I've ever seen in a video game. He's so chill and enthusiastic about discovery.
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He's the only character I've ever seen have a positive reaction to realising he has amnesia, it's great.
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Oooooh, finally discovered the thread for this game. This seems like a good place as any to ask for some advice, because I recently got this game and I have no idea where to go  The last bosses I beat where the Mantis Lords, that teleporting soul master dude who gives you the ground smash spell, some crystal laser bug and - finally - that broken vessel guy (corpse that looks like me, filled with red jellymonsters). So now I've got walljump, ground pound, speed booster and doublejump. No idea where to go next, though. I got to the Deepnest and explored the gently caress out of that place, but there didn't seem to be much going on. I got predictably trapped in spidertown, but there doesn't seem to be anything to do here? Only some sleeping spider lady, and one NPC who told me juicy lore then tried to eat me.  I got to the place for the Broken Vessel, though, so now I've got beautiful butterfly wings that I suppose will open something else?Other then that, I also got to the eastern part of the City of Tears, where I got my rear end repeatedly handed to me by apparently infinitely (???) spawning rolling knight dudes. Are you supposed to tackle those guys yet? At first I assumed there was some kind of Demon's Souls twist where you have to find the hidden guy who keeps reviving more knights, and I DID find a hidden chandelier and dropped it above the arena, but I can't really tell if it did anything - the knights just kept merrily respawning. (It's moments like this where I wish the game actually showed life bars for boss enemies, maybe then I'd know what's going on with those guys...) And the other big blockade right now are those weird shadow vortex things which block all passage. At first I thought I could pass through with the dash or the speed boost, but no dice. I suppose I'll find some gadget for those eventually? Aaaaaaind final question: is there any way to get more slots for notches? I've been running around through the game with four slots for what feels like an eternity, and the game just keeps throwing notches at me. But most of the time, I've got the Long Nail and the compass equipped anyway, so there's not really much freedom there yet. How do I get more slots? I want to run around with tiny spider friends at all times  Overall so far: incredibly rad game, I can't believe I missed it all this time. I love the animations, and how obviously Souls-like it is in a good way (tells you fuckall, lets you find later areas early, unique enemies and obstacles for certain maps...). I'm sure I'll start talking in spoiler bars as well once I know what the hell is going on.
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Torquemadras posted:Oooooh, finally discovered the thread for this game. This seems like a good place as any to ask for some advice, because I recently got this game and I have no idea where to go Deepnest: main quest progress is here. Look around in the real big room with the stag station at the top (to the left of the NPC who wants to eat you every time you talk iirc) Watcher knights: there’s a limited number, which the chandelier permanently reduces by one. If you can tough them out, they gate progress as well. Shadow barriers: you need an upgrade to pass, you’ll know it when you see it. This is probably the last upgrade most people get, wouldn’t worry just yet. Charms: slots and notches are the same thing, the poo poo that goes in them is charms. If you find more charms, the charm seller in crossroads will sell you up to four more notches. A couple others you can find lying around or as a reward for fights.
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One thing not mentioned by skasion: I'm assuming you've met the Dung Defender. It is a common stumbling block for people that they don't know what's triggered by defeating him. Consider looking that up and going there, because that is also plot-crucial.
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Go to Crystal Peak and find a giant pit to fall down on the bottom right side. You'll get an important item for the story.
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I think I beat the game without fighting DD.
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No Wave posted:I think I beat the game without fighting DD. I'm quite confident that's impossible without speedrun tricks/glitches. I'm fairly sure to get to Uumuu you normally need Isma's Tear and to get that you need to fight DD. The Isma's Tear requirement can be bypassed in a few ways, including with some reaaaally accurate crystal dashing.
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It’s not impossible (you can get into the far side of Fog Canyon without Tear if you have Shade Cloak), but I really wouldn’t recommend trying it either. Besides, it’s a fun fight. Possibly my favorite.
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You can't do anything in Distant Village for the main quest until you get the plot relevant upgrade. However, there are other secrets in Deepnest you haven't found. The area is massive and its easy to miss stuff in it. One secret can be found by exploring the area to the left of the bench room at the very top of Deepnest. This one will give you an item that lets you progress to other areas. Another is to the left of the hotspring room, it doesn't lead to progress but its really cool. More specific spoilers; -The failed tramway at the top of Deepnest has the tram pass in it. This will let you use the trains and access two areas you haven't been too. -In the room to the left of the hotspring, there is a breakable wall that is hiding a grub. In that room there is another breakable wall that leads to a sub-area with an upgrade material and a friend.
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Dancer posted:One thing not mentioned by skasion: I'm assuming you've met the Dung Defender. It is a common stumbling block for people that they don't know what's triggered by defeating him. Consider looking that up and going there, because that is also plot-crucial. Nope, haven't met the guy!  I assume, since you assume, that I could theoretically have found him already with what I have. I'm just gonna poke around. Lookling for more suspicious walljumpable ledges, cracked floors to dive at, and buy that Simple Key in Dirtmouth that keeps taunting me...Thanks for the tips so far, I feel very dumb already for missing that huge chasm east in Crystal Peak
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Dancer posted:I'm quite confident that's impossible without speedrun tricks/glitches. I'm fairly sure to get to Uumuu you normally need Isma's Tear and to get that you need to fight DD. The Isma's Tear requirement can be bypassed in a few ways, including with some reaaaally accurate crystal dashing. It is weird that Uumuu's house is so navigable without it via crystal dashing, like it was designed to be optional for some reason. No Wave fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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