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Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless


get that OUT of my face posted:

Also, there were 13 episodes of Allen Gregory produced.

We should load them in a crate and ship them to ISIS. I suspect opening said crate would result in an effect similar to the Ark of the Covenant.



get that OUT of my face posted:

The seventh episode is the worst one. It's the epitome of Allen Gregory getting everything he wants and not facing the consequences of being a horrible little poo poo, and it even ends with a rape joke.

See, terrible people getting away with poo poo I'm OK with. I've laughed my rear end off with Seinfield plots and Sunny plots that have the main characters being massive douchenozzles and getting everything they want. I think where this piece of poo poo show differs, and fails is that the creators don't realize how awful the main characters are, possibly because the creators are awful people themselves. They think they're clever, where as again on a show like Sunny, it's very very clear that the people creating the show developed their characters with eyes wide open and aren't under any delusion that they're the good guys.

Another terribly written show, Fear the Walking Dead, I think has a similar thing going on where the writers think they are both super clever and great, while they aren't; they turned every single character into the worst type of sociopath madman almost immediately out of the gate, people willing to literally feed their neighbors to zombies or burn down the house of someone taking them in (along with the host) because they're inconvenient, yet the writers think they're still kind of the good guys because FAMILY.

It makes me wonder how anyone could write that and not see what the gently caress is wrong without actually being screwed up themselves. Back to this show, the creators are trying to make a likable central character one would assume, even as an anti-hero, but this is how they write likable and that's kind of the mind blowing part. Therefor they're loving terrible.

Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Apr 21, 2017

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Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

Yay




As Nero Danced posted:

Refresh my memory, if you don't mind. Didn't Sheila tell Allen in the last scene that he was a rotten little brat with no redeeming qualities, and that she couldn't stand to be in his presence any longer?

I may be projecting a bit, but I vaguely remember her telling him off before leaving.

Well, she says he's "An awful little boy who says horrible things", but that's about it. She also calls Lex Luther "A very gay man". I have a feeling the verbal beat down you're imagining in your head is a lot better than the weaksauce one that actually happened, hold onto that memory.

Sheila is an interesting idea for a character (a decent human being who calls Allen Gregory on his poo poo), but she's poorly executed and her actions make no sense: Why is she moving in with strangers she just met? Why does she suddenly want to to intensely mother a child she only had because she was paid to be a surrogate? Why would she want to have sex with Lex Luther? Why is she suddenly moving out and giving up on this child so quickly?

As weird as it feels to say this, I don't think Allen Gregory was enough of a jerk this episode; or at least not enough of a jerk to Shelia. She just has one small fight with him and that was enough to convince her "Welp, this situation is hopeless. Guess I better cut all ties". It would have worked better to have been a slow build up of him being more and more of an rear end in a top hat to her until she just can't take it anymore and explodes and starts screaming at him about how awful he is.

ManlyGrunting
May 29, 2014


Were I a Medieval Catholic I would say that you've knocked a few thousand years off purgatory. Stay strong, your torment is near an end.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

ManlyGrunting posted:

Were I a Medieval Catholic I would say that you've knocked a few thousand years off purgatory. Stay strong, your torment is near an end.

And the mental scarring has just begun.


Also: gently caress Jonah Hill.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

Mister Kingdom posted:

And the mental scarring has just begun.


Also: gently caress Jonah Hill.

Nobody wants to gently caress Jonah Hill. Nobody at all.

At least we know where his taste in humor comes from.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless


Propaganda Machine posted:

Nobody wants to gently caress Jonah Hill. Nobody at all.

Do you think when Jonah Hill hires a hooker, they increase their rate 25%?

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

Blazing Ownager posted:

Do you think when Jonah Hill hires a hooker, they increase their rate 25%?

That seems low. I'd go at least 100%, not to mention the NDA hush money.

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009


p sure the op is putting more thoughts into their posts than the writers did the show

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

I think OP and friend put more thought into their bet than the writers did into the show.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007



Blazing Ownager posted:

See, terrible people getting away with poo poo I'm OK with. I've laughed my rear end off with Seinfield plots and Sunny plots that have the main characters being massive douchenozzles and getting everything they want. I think where this piece of poo poo show differs, and fails is that the creators don't realize how awful the main characters are, possibly because the creators are awful people themselves. They think they're clever, where as again on a show like Sunny, it's very very clear that the people creating the show developed their characters with eyes wide open and aren't under any delusion that they're the good guys.
In the case of Always Sunny, it helps that a lot of the time, some or all of the gang eats poo poo at the end of an episode. Also, they're all in hells of their own making (i.e. Frank living in squalor even though he could easily afford a better place to live, Dennis's oversized ego that blinds him to what others think of him). In every episode of Allen Gregory, everything bends to his will, and the show expects us to cheer for him. That's asking way too much from the audience.

It's not that the concept alone makes for a bad show, but there other factors that have to be in play. That's why Always Sunny has been on for 12 seasons and Allen Gregory was canceled after seven episodes.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

Yay




Clawtopsy posted:

p sure the op is putting more thoughts into their posts than the writers did the show

This is almost certainly true.

Propaganda Machine posted:

I think OP and friend put more thought into their bet than the writers did into the show.

This is also probably true.

I've decided to push back doing the last episode until tomorrow. I'm playing Persona 5 and having a great time and I'd rather just keep doing that instead ruining my mood with Allen Gregory.

Although, in a weird way, I've had a strangely good time writing this crap and I'm kinda sad to see it end. I'm almost tempted to keep this thread going and start rewatching and revewing "Chozen", another bad show with an unlikable protagonist that for some weird reason I have a lot of opinions on. I'm not sure anyone would be interested in that though, does anyone other than me even remember that "Chozen" exists?

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

Another 1? Aww man...


I saw so many god drat ads for Chozen while watching Archer, and the more times I saw the same two commercials the less I wanted to see the show.

So, yeah, I guess I remember it. Review it and torment yourself further for our entertainment.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007



If Allen Gregory is a dumpster fire, Chozen is a garbage can fire- not quite as bad, but definitely not good. I like to say I'll watch anything that involves Hannibal Buress, but between Chozen and his short-lived Comedy Central show, maybe I should step back from that promise.

I watched one episode, the one where they go to a strip club and Hannibal's character ends up getting a lap dance from a girl nicknamed "Onion Pussy."

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

There was a thread a whole back where somebody toxxed themselves into watching and reviewing Last Man Standing, and people dared each other into watching and reviewing horrible television. I think I ended up with an episode of The Goldbergs, and it delivered. Both of those shows are bad and worthy of mockery.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011


get that OUT of my face posted:

In the case of Always Sunny, it helps that a lot of the time, some or all of the gang eats poo poo at the end of an episode. Also, they're all in hells of their own making (i.e. Frank living in squalor even though he could easily afford a better place to live, Dennis's oversized ego that blinds him to what others think of him). In every episode of Allen Gregory, everything bends to his will, and the show expects us to cheer for him. That's asking way too much from the audience.

It's not that the concept alone makes for a bad show, but there other factors that have to be in play. That's why Always Sunny has been on for 12 seasons and Allen Gregory was canceled after seven episodes.
Also, Always Sunny is really funny.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

What's a war hero got to do to get some lubrication around here?



The other day I saw someone on facebook make a quote from Allen Gregory and I thought "wow there are people out there that actually liked this show?"

Wasn't Allen Gregory some kind of prodigy child who was a massively successful playwright in early promotional material? That seemed to be lost and he just became some terrible poo poo child that talked over and down to everyone and for some reason everyone kowtowed to him constantly. I remember reading that the way he talked was modeled on how Hollywood agents talked, why was that thought to be a good inflection for a character to have as viewers would be unfamiliar with it.

I completely forgot that Jeff (because he looks like Jeff Winger from Community, which works with the other guy looking like Dean Pelton) was basically an abused spouse.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Reading the summaries I am reminded of that episode of Bojack Horseman where he is coming up with ideas for a new show with a writer and they both convince each other that the show should be really edgy. Proceed to them taking a lot of drugs and then egging each other on to come up with edgier and edgier ideas and the show ends up being completely unwatchable. I imagine that is how the creative process went for Allen Gregory.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007



FactsAreUseless posted:

Also, Always Sunny is really funny.
Well, yeah. Sitcoms with awful protagonists usually are because they get those details right. Jonah Hill thought it was funny to have Allen Gregory work like this, and he was sorely mistaken.

Propaganda Machine posted:

There was a thread a whole back where somebody toxxed themselves into watching and reviewing Last Man Standing, and people dared each other into watching and reviewing horrible television. I think I ended up with an episode of The Goldbergs, and it delivered. Both of those shows are bad and worthy of mockery.
I heard a description of Last Man Standing and I'm astounded that a show with such a regressive view of society just wrapped up its sixth season, albeit on a Friday night slot where networks just dump a bunch of crap. The Goldbergs is just "Let's Capitalize On '80s Nostalgia: The TV Show," which is bad, but not quite as awful.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

The Goldbergs is just an unfunny sitcom with schlocky "aww everything's okay now" solutions to non-problems that the family creates for itself. It would have fit in well in the 90's but it doesn't stand up to what we have on the air now. Black-ish and Fresh off the Boat are clever and pretty good. Goldbergs is not, but Hollywood politics will keep it on the air until half of the main actors either die or quit.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007



Propaganda Machine posted:

The Goldbergs is just an unfunny sitcom with schlocky "aww everything's okay now" solutions to non-problems that the family creates for itself.
So it's almost every TV sitcom ever up until the late '80s or so? There's a reason why they died out.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

get that OUT of my face posted:

So it's almost every TV sitcom ever up until the late '80s or so? There's a reason why they died out.

It's not even that good. I'd rather watch The loving Brady Bunch.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town




Other notably terrible animated poo poo: Brickleberry, The Goode Family (which I wanted to like because Mike Judge but god was it baaaaaad)

e: I think Brickleberry even had a second season but I am not Googling it

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010



precision posted:

Other notably terrible animated poo poo: Brickleberry, The Goode Family (which I wanted to like because Mike Judge but god was it baaaaaad)

e: I think Brickleberry even had a second season but I am not Googling it

I definitely had to endure terrible ads for it for more than one year

Plom Bar
Jun 5, 2004

hardest time i ever done

I think I got to the title card of the first episode of Brickleberry. That was enough.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007



Lipstick Apathy

precision posted:

Other notably terrible animated poo poo: Brickleberry, The Goode Family (which I wanted to like because Mike Judge but god was it baaaaaad)

e: I think Brickleberry even had a second season but I am not Googling it

Wasnt that Yucko the Clown's show? Yeah, not gonna even bother with that one

You Are A Elf
Apr 26, 2010

Black Gold!


Brickleberry had THREE seasons, not two. There is no God.

I once watched like fifteen minutes of Brickleberry because a friend of mine had it on once. It was just "Teenage Edgelord Humor Disguised as Park Rangers: The Show."

Needless to say, we're no longer friends.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005







I really wish Hulu would stop recommending me Brickleberry, seemingly just because I watched South Park and Rick & Morty. They don't have any goddamn thing to do with each other!

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

What's a war hero got to do to get some lubrication around here?



There seemed to be a lot of terrible animated shows in the 2000s that tried to be like Sealab and do anti-humor style jokes, that just never worked. You'd get insane stuff being said by one character and the rest of the cast just standing around awkwardly. I remember 12oz Mouse having a lot of that. I used to think Tom Goes to Mayor was like that buy after watching Awesome Show Good Job I understood what they were going for, but I still don't like the show. Mostly becuase almost every character in the show is just repulsive.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town




You should give 12 oz. Mouse another shot. It was actually pretty brilliant and definitely hilarious in its own unique way. It's one of the few "anti-humor" things that ended up being actually funny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqH4Bpe7Mjk

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

What's a war hero got to do to get some lubrication around here?



precision posted:

You should give 12 oz. Mouse another shot. It was actually pretty brilliant and definitely hilarious in its own unique way. It's one of the few "anti-humor" things that ended up being actually funny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqH4Bpe7Mjk

If that was the best of the show, I don't think it works.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town




Well obviously the nature of the humor is that it won't work for everyone, but it's still a world away from things like this show or Brickleberry which were like actively harmful to reality

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

He wants to come in...




What about the Australian Archer ripoff?

Tunicate
May 15, 2012





As far as extremely unfunny and forgettable animated series go... Gary the Rat?

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

He wants to come in...




How about any of the spike series like the failed Ren and Stimpy reboot or striperella.

TheRationalRedditor
Jul 17, 2000

WHO ABUSED HIM. WHO ABUSED THE BOY.


Good luck surviving this hellish gauntlet. 'Allen Gregory' could be the most joyless, empty animated thing fox has ever tried to air, and that's including 'Bordertown'.

twistedmentat posted:

If that was the best of the show, I don't think it works.
It doesn't, it's monotone monkeycheese trash. It's even more humiliating because PFFR was a year away from being picked up by Adult Swim with 'Xavier: Renegade Angel', the post 'Wondershowzen' victory lap that's exactly what a brilliant, consistently clever joke-packed dadaist tapestry looks like when lovingly forged by talented creators

TheRationalRedditor fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Apr 23, 2017

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

What's a war hero got to do to get some lubrication around here?



TheRationalRedditor posted:

It doesn't, it's monotone monkeycheese trash. It's even more humiliating because PFFR was a year away from being picked up by Adult Swim with 'Xavier: Renegade Angel ' to victory lap with exactly what a brilliant, consistently clever joke-packed dadaist tapestry lovingly forged by talented people looks like

See, that's it, its two guys just saying random poo poo back and forth that has no timing or punchlines. Xavier looked like garbage but once I actually watched it it was really absurdist in the best kind of way. I preferred Lucy Daughter of the Devil though.

There was also Perfect Hair Forever which felt like someone who once saw a cover of an anime DVD and decided to do a parody of it, but then it only was like 4 episodes or something? I also had no idea Squidbillys was still going after 13 seasons.

You know what I loved, even if it was basically just a reskinned Archer? Moonbeam City. It only got one season, but I read it was really expensive, which probably not surprising because the core cast was Elizabeth Banks, Rob Lowe and Kate Mara. It had the most amazing soundtrack and I became a big fan of Night Club because of it.

precision
May 7, 2006

Gonna have me some good friends around
Gonna have me some good times in town




Perfect Hair Forever and 12 oz. Mouse were from the same guy

I wouldn't say I liked one better than the other but they are both great.

e: ugh, and to bring it all back around, he was a "consulting producer" on Chozen

precision fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Apr 23, 2017

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

look-
a post,


Is Mr. Pickles still on air? That is the adult swim property that frustrates me the most, because there is a really good idea somewhere in there and a few episodes almost have a sorta moment of genius to them, but its drown in the most edgy humor possible.

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here. It's gone now.



So here's something weird: I can't keep my head straight on what these characters look like. I keep conflating AG with that Life With Louie cartoon, the principal morphs into that slug woman from Monsters Inc. and I keep confusing Asian Daria with one of those Code Lyoko kids. No matter how many times I look at that smug little prick's face in the achieved thread's OP, he becomes Louie with square glasses once I leave the page. I think the weirdest part is that I never watched Life With Louie or Code Lyoko.

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Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

Yay




precision posted:

Other notably terrible animated poo poo: Brickleberry, The Goode Family (which I wanted to like because Mike Judge but god was it baaaaaad)

e: I think Brickleberry even had a second season but I am not Googling it

Iíve seen every episode of both of those shows, and I really donít think Iíd be able to write entertaining episode summaries for either of them. Theyíre bad, but in ways I find too stupid/bland to care enough about to get properly angry at.

Like, here are my complete thoughts on Brickleberry: Itís Family Guy, but in the woods. It relies heavily on shock and gross-out humor and doesnít do either one particularly well. It got three seasons though, so I guess someone must have liked it.

And here are my complete thoughts on The Goode Family: Itís King of The Hill, but with liberals and worse writing. Itís been a long time since Iíve seen it, but I actually remember thinking it had some potential. It was a ďThis isnít good now, but maybe theyíll find their footing in season 2Ē situation. It got canceled after one season though, so I guess weíll never know (I could have been way wrong about this too, itís possible my slightly positive feelings for the show were just left over good will from King of The Hill.

This is just how I feel though, if someone more passionate thinks they can come up with an entertaining rant about either of these shows Iíd love to read it.

bunnyofdoom posted:

What about the Australian Archer ripoff?

Holy poo poo, Pacific Heat? Oh man, I DEFINITELY couldnít bring myself to care enough about that show to get entertainingly mad at it. I donít think anyone can.

That show is one of the blandest things to ever be animated.

Itís a bit amazing, itís so dull and generic you actually forget about it as youíre watching it.

twistedmentat posted:

I also had no idea Squidbillys was still going after 13 seasons.

Very few people will believe me when I say this, but Squidbillies is actually a good show. Itís a very specific brand of pitch black dark humor and I completely understand why it doesnít appeal to everyone, but it does what itís trying to do very well.

twistedmentat posted:

You know what I loved, even if it was basically just a reskinned Archer? Moonbeam City. It only got one season, but I read it was really expensive, which probably not surprising because the core cast was Elizabeth Banks, Rob Lowe and Kate Mara. It had the most amazing soundtrack and I became a big fan of Night Club because of it.

I loved the art style of Moonbeam City, and like you said the music was great. The aesthetic was a lot stronger than the writing (most episodes ranged from ďMehĒ to ďKind of okay I guessĒ), but like The Goode Family I thought it showed potential and was a little sad when I heard it got canceled.

precision posted:

Perfect Hair Forever and 12 oz. Mouse were from the same guy

I wouldn't say I liked one better than the other but they are both great.

e: ugh, and to bring it all back around, he was a "consulting producer" on Chozen

I can see that. Chozen is a failure, but at times itís an interesting failure and Iíd be willing to bet that he had a hand in the creating some of the more interesting parts.

See, the main reason I want to voluntarily write about Chozen isnít because it makes me angry, but more because it makes me wonder ďWhy did you do this?Ē Like, itíll make some really good choices (okay maybe good is too strong of a word here, ďuniqueĒ-ish choices?) and then cancel them out with a hundred other bad choices so I mostly just end up feeling confused and only occasionally disgusted. Unlike with Allen Gregory where Iím just constantly feeling incredibly irritated by that horribly, unfunny voice-

Oh poo poo, I still have one last episode of Allen Gregory left donít I? And I was supposed to post a summary of it like, two days ago wasnít I? Yeah, sorry about that, been busy at work. Iíll get on that as soon as I can, but now (like, right now) I gotta go do job stuff.

Space Cadet Omoly fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Apr 24, 2017

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