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You actually don't need to button mash to get mileage out of Bullet Hail. You can just hold the button down. 
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I can get the idea behind the ID cards and interrogation since social engineering is just another means of stealing, but in practice it ends up dragging things along.
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And that's 1/4 of the Palace.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:You actually don't need to button mash to get mileage out of Bullet Hail. You can just hold the button down. This information would've spared my thumbs some pain if I had it a few months ago.
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Uhhh... If you see any mouse cursors in this update, it was the hacker. Even if it was in a previous update. Whatever.
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gently caress THIS SECTION OF THE PALACE. I ended up fighting every single one of those Chief Director-looking fucks because of the mistranslation and the obfuscated dialogue before I found the right one. Whoever was in charge of this section needs to get punched in the goddamn throat. Both the original and the localized version. 
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W.T. Fits posted:gently caress THIS SECTION OF THE PALACE. I ended up fighting every single one of those Chief Director-looking fucks because of the mistranslation and the obfuscated dialogue before I found the right one. This exact thing happened to me, it's so bad.
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I was a smart person who thought that maybe the last chief would be in one of the earlier rooms to swerve the player into doubling back through the entire floor. Nope, and I ended up doubling back through the entire floor for nothing.
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I just followed a guide because eff that noise (I swear at least one section of this dungeon was okay)
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This entire palace just sucks. Legit, it burned me out so badly I couldn't touch the game for a year. Up there with the Kislev Sewers from Xenogears in my list of Worst Dungeons Ever.
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SMaster777 posted:Up there with the Kislev Sewers from Xenogears in my list of Worst Dungeons Ever. Dude... don't trigger me. But yeah, this is... not fun, especially if your trying to do it all in one go (as I tried to, for some reason). The monotony does grind you down, and for some reason, I kept screwing up the listening for information prompts. It's sad, because you can see that somebody was kinda sorta trying something new, but even so.
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Yeah I'm much the same as you guys. I did this palace all in one go and it burned me out quite a bit. Stopped playing for a couple weeks. It makes me appreciate Madarame's palace and how it forces you to break in the middle a little bit more. Like sure, it sucks because you lose a little bit of time, but it makes the palace a lot more palatable.
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I actually found this thing pretty enjoyable, but yes there are a number of ways this could be done better.
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I like the idea of using social engineering/gathering intel to advance in a dungeon, but as it's implemented, it's more frustration than neat.
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It feels like a lot of these dungeons were designed around "do part of it, come back later" but your typical gamer is going to want to do as much as they can in one go. Some better level design and more natural "time to pull back" points I think would really alleviate the aggravation the last few palaces present.
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RedMagus posted:It feels like a lot of these dungeons were designed around "do part of it, come back later" but your typical gamer is going to want to do as much as they can in one go. Some better level design and more natural "time to pull back" points I think would really alleviate the aggravation the last few palaces present. I never played Persona 4, but was it possible to one-shot dungeons in that game or were you forced to pull out after a while?
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:I never played Persona 4, but was it possible to one-shot dungeons in that game or were you forced to pull out after a while? The most limiting factor in doing dungeons in one day in P4 really was your SP. You get a Social Link real early that unlocks a party restore in the lobby of the dungeon for yens, with the cost proportional to how much you healed. Doing ranks of the Social Link decreases the amount per point healed, so once you were either sitting on a nice nest egg or had a high enough rank in that Social Link, you were pretty much good to go.
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RedMagus posted:It feels like a lot of these dungeons were designed around "do part of it, come back later" but your typical gamer is going to want to do as much as they can in one go. Some better level design and more natural "time to pull back" points I think would really alleviate the aggravation the last few palaces present. This is the intent, but the game's mechanics and design encourage you to blaze through palaces as quickly as possible so you can maximize the time you have for social links or stat building.
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At least this part of the dungeon could have been made better if they made it clear to you that you only had to investigate each new area for both clues and for those who hold the key cards as it really does seem as though people's experience with this section of the dungeon is determined by if people go back to investigate every possible section or just keep on moving forward.
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Hunt11 posted:At least this part of the dungeon could have been made better if they made it clear to you that you only had to investigate each new area for both clues and for those who hold the key cards as it really does seem as though people's experience with this section of the dungeon is determined by if people go back to investigate every possible section or just keep on moving forward. That's not really the issue though, the issue is that it obfuscates what information is actually relevant and how to further narrow down the Chief Director. Anyway, I finally gave all the old updates names. Some of them are pretty bad or lazy because I was doing like ten at a time, but whatever.
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ChaosArgate posted:This is the intent, but the game's mechanics and design encourage you to blaze through palaces as quickly as possible so you can maximize the time you have for social links or stat building.
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Grouchio Attempt #2: Vote for Makoto! Trust me, I just asked her out! 
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ajkalan Attempt #2 Ann: sucks Makoto: basic Futaba: no Haru: who Yusuke: jerk Kawakami: wtf Sae: narc Ohya: drinks hard and cares for her friends, really cool actually It's Ohya
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ajkalan posted:ajkalan Attempt #2 hello alex
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Arist posted:hello alex I wish
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resurgam40 Attempt 2 Hell with romance! What we should do is: Kick Morgana down a well (or into the convenient void in this very Palace) and immediately seek out this dog to replace him: 
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I have a few reasons to support my candidate here:
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Part 110: 9/23: WARNING: SYSTEM DAMAGED hellow evryonne, i’m am Artist. welcome to lets’ play. Music: Sweatshop  right noww we in big space. big. space space   If it’s seriously that close, can’t we just go from outside? No point goin’ through there.  Hm… That might be worth a try. i fix portraits. good now.   ride circle across whoosh  safe room, so no repeat bad card game     We have completed approximately one third of this Palace. Things seem to be going relatively well.one three too low, we be here foreeeeeever!!!!  I hope we can keep up this pace all the way to our goal!  Just make sure you don’t let your guard down. We need to stay focused in the next area as well. Though to be fair, there are still two thirds remaining. Let’s try to pace ourselves from here on.  Just past this building. We’re definitely getting closer. I find it somewhat odd that we have still yet to see anything about the mental shutdowns… Well, this Palace is on the site of the corporate HQ, remember? If he never told any employees about it, we may not find any hints toward his involvement… Worst comes to worst, we’re just gonna have to get that info outta the Shadow himself. Anyway, let us hurry inside… I believe the factory comes next. we make it to ufo biulding  nother safe room time to resWhat the gently caress? Hey shithead, the hell is this?!  oh i let my little brother mess with your lp thing. he’s four.Your little...? *sigh* goddammit why listen, just let him keep doing it, i’m supposed to be babysitting and he finally shut upAre you kidding? I’m not doing you a favor! Screw off. aww, be cool, manBye. fine. but you’ll regret this.All right, now that we’re done with another small child’s interference, let’s explore the factory.   Do you think it’s related to that “Escape to Utopia” thing? I’m not fixing the portraits. gently caress it. Hold on a sec. Ain’t the guys in here movin’ kinda weird…?Music: Regret  Robots collapse.  IT NEVER ENDS! IT NEVER ENDS! *something completely inaudible over the sound of machinery*  These conveyor belts and the positioning of the workers… This is almost identical to the company’s bun factory… I can’t believe this…Wait, they make their buns at the corporate headquarters? And even if they don’t, why would Haru have ever been in the bun factory? What? At the very least, this is how Okumura views his workers. My apologies for saying so, Noir, but this is truly atrocious. Well, it’ll all be under control if we can trigger that change of heart in him, yeah? Let’s go!  Oh poo poo boys, it’s our old pal Belphegor! Or as he’s known here...  AMBASSADOR OF FILTH! (Ambassador of Filth is the name of my Puddle of Mudd cover band)  Don’t strain too hard, buddy. You’ll get hemorrhoids. (Concentrate is the magic version of Charge, in case you forgot, increasing the next magic attack by 2.5x) Belphegor here uses Mabufula and Bufudyne (Heavy Ice), and is weak to Fire.  We also get to skip the negotiation process because Yoshida’s Rank 8 skill, Mind Control, procced. I really wanted to get his max rank skill before this dungeon, but didn’t want to max anyone at all out before I knew who we’d be dating (and couldn’t do that until we got Haru).  And then there’s some boring Lilim. They can use Masukunda to drop your hit rate, Bufula, or Spirit Drain to steal 30 SP(!!!). They’re weak to Wind, Gun, and Bless. Music: Sweatshop Man, this song is a banger but after two hours I’m loving sick of it already. Wish I could listen to something else.  Is this gonna be another one of them authenti-whatever things? No, there’s no authentication here. Kinda anticlimactic, huh? I’m not complaining. Let’s go!  Welp, on we go!  Suddenly, one of the arms explodes and shoots upwards!  And crates fall! Whoa!? We almost got crushed! That freakin’ hunk of metal broke way too goddamn easy! There is no point in complaining at this point. We will be forced to search for another route. But is there one…? Hm, do you think we might be able to use the brittle nature of these arms to our advantage…?Whatever might you mean, Makoto? Music: Renegade Uh, what? you said you wanted new music. well, rear end in a top hat, here’s some new music. hope you enjoy it, because it’s gonna loop for three days. turn off your computer or lower the volume and the timer resets. go nutsJoke’s on you, because I actually do enjoy this song. all right, have fun then Okaaaaay then. Now I get to listen to the dulcet tones of Styx for a while. Copacetic. Anyway, running over to this box-thing will give us our path forward.  Huh… This is the control panel for that robotic arm. It seems we can use this to set it to either 3x, 5x, or 10x normal speed… I bet It’d break if it was stuck on 10x speed for a long time.  CHANGING ARM SPEED! Just for shits and giggles, let’s set it to 3x first.  The arm speeds up a bit… and immediately breaks. Well, that’s depressing. Oh mama I’m in fear for my life from the long arm of the law  How freakin’ fragile is that thing!? 3X speed was enough to break it!? That just proves how truly overworked these machines are… It seems any increase in workload would have led to its collapse… Wait, but don’t you think we might be able to walk on the broken arm? We should check it out, Joker!  And now we run across the arm’s wrecked mechanical corpse. Wonderful! Lawman has put an end to my runnin and I’m so far from my home.  Further ahead we come across a sort of office above the factory floor.  Oh hey, we can see the door out from here! But there doesn’t seem to be a way to reach it…  Yes, after quite the detour…   >Increase the arm speedTHE JIG IS UP THE NEWS IS OUT THEY FINALLY FOUND ME   This makes me feel kinda bad.  This part really doesn’t help. THE RENEGADE WHO HAD IT MADE RETRIEVED FOR A BOUNTY  We have so many goddamn Lockpicks.   All right. The Bead is a full heal for one party member and the Fury Blade is a weapon for Yusuke that inflicts Rage. NEVER MORE TO GO ASTRAY THIS’LL BE THE END TODAY I’M A WANTED MAN *ahem* Sorry. I think that’s do-OH MAMA I’VE BEEN YEARS ON THE LAM  >Increase the arm speed   Music: Renegade Now we can run back up to the “office” and jump down onto the arm and cross. Oh god, the song’s just gonna keep playing isn’t it?  Come to think of it, what do they make in this factory? According to Noir, it seems to be the one that manufactures their hamburger buns. That’s true of the building in reality… but what do they make in here…?  In a fight just after entering this new room, Morgana learns Miracle Punch, which is just like Lucky Punch but better because it has the same high Critical rate and deals Medium damage instead of Miniscule. We slot it in to replace Lucky Punch.  Oh, we’re almost done? That’s good. Maybe I can try to sleep or something.  We will not be able to reach it without passing over what appears to be a hydraulic press… Right… I guess we’ll just have to stop it. Let’s try and find a way to do that first.  Yusuke learns Mabufula to replace Mabufu. Another direct upgrade.  Music: Renegade First things first, we clear out the enemies. There’s a reason for this, but hell if I can remember because I’m pretty sure this is how they torture prisoners in illegal government blacksites. Probably with worse music, but still.  Let’s head over to the controls, then.  Wait… Break is an option!? We may be able to get past that problematic press if we can find the corresponding control panel. Let’s do this, Joker. NOW CHANGING PRESS SHIFTS!  All right, let’s choose “Break.”   The presses stop.  Wait, what!? That’s only enough time to listen to 2% of Styx’s masterpiece Renegade! Music: Run, Run, Run! This is the music that’s playing during the scene in-game. But in my heart, it’s still Renegade. It will always be Renegade.  RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN Music: Renegade  LET US WORK EVEN HARDER TO ACCOUNT FOR OUR TIME WASTED SLACKING OFF!  Take a deep breath…? Five seconds is a useless amount of time for us. We can likely ignore that option entirely.Then let’s head back to the controls.  Hm, maybe they’ll break like the arms if we overload them. That’ll be morbid! WE ARE CURRENTLY IN A STATE OF CONSTANT UNPAID OVERTIME! FOR THE GOOD OF THE COMPANY! GLORY TO OUR WONDERFUL PRESIDENT OKUMURA AND HIM ALONE! Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold up! What the hell did it mean, “constant”!? Working unpaid overtime is just how these workers live, so setting it to that changes nothing… What a nightmare… …... There is no benefit to us if nothing changes. We can likely ignore that option entirely.  Looks like “Lunch” is the only option left. IT IS NOW LUNCHTIME! LET US CONSUME OUR SLOP AND GLEEFULLY REENERGIZE!The presses stop. Also, the phrase “consume our slop” is honestly pretty great, the localization can be good sometimes.  That’s more like it. Music: Run, Run, Run!   There’s an unlocked chest if we run to the far press instead of the near one, but I won’t show that for brevity’s sake. It just contains a piece of armor we can wash.   Oh, right. The reason we got rid of all those enemies is that the timer persists through battle. Music: Renegade I might legitimately be dying, you guys   Here’s another control panel, which turns off both the purple and blue presses so we can cross the first press we saw earlier and reach the door.   THE EXIT! YES! NOTHING STOPS THE BAD PERSONA 5 LET’S PLAY, MOTHERFUCKER  Look. The employees that can no longer work are being put on that conveyor belt… I seriously wonder what they’re making here… Hey, it’s going in the same direction we are. We might learn more as we continue. Oooh, you think this is that thing where little robots merge to make one giant one!? I suppose I can’t begrudge you for dreaming. ...Queen’s giving me the cold shoulder. What!? Makoto, you lied to me! There’s morrrrrrrrahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahohgodwhy  A safe room. Perfect. ...I think I need a break from working on this for a little while. I’ll finish this in a few days.  ohhelloguyshow’sitbeeni’mdoingfine *deep breath* Renegade has not stopped playing yet. The timer will expire in an hour or so. I will probably finish this update around that time. However, in the meantime I have been unable to sleep, and inexplicably unable keep any food down. My typing is slowed because my hands are shaking so furiously it’s difficult to hit the correct keys. Also I’ve had to write two papers in the last few days. That’s not a bit or a joke or anything, it’s just finals week. All in all, pretty hellish nightmare experience I’ve been going through. But my mind is intact, and this dick can’t take that. the renegade who had it made the renegade who had it made the renegade who had it maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaade Also, I may drift in and out of consciousness while writing this because I haven’t slept in three days. Okay!   drop arm. crossssssssssssssssssss.  mediarama replace diarama makoto. multi-target more good than single  An interesting thing about Renegade is that the beginning is really slow, so you can trick yourself into getting about forty-five seconds of sleep before the guitar sta--*snore* Music: Renegade I’M UP   I DO THIS WITH JOY! I DO THIS WITH JOY! They’re still respectin’ him even though they prolly see coworkers collapse from gettin’ overworked… It’s mind control… They’ve been purposefully driven into a state of overadaptation. Over… what? When a person is continually faced with oppression, they come to welcome its presence. Such psychological trickery is being used here. I… experienced it first-hand for many years. Fox… So these robots exist because Father is aware that he’s exploiting his employees… Yes. We should be careful though. I doubt we’ll be able to communicate with these ones. We’ll probably go straight into battle when we approach them. I suggest you prepare beforehand!  Looks like we can’t just run up and fight ‘em, cuz nothin’s ever simple round here. goddamn lasers. given how high Maaku can seemingly jump, he could probs just leap over that poo poo.  Gotta hit the prrrrrrresss.  Run fast.  Oh hey, a Treasure Demon. This one is honestly worse than the others because it doesn’t resist elements, meaning it’s gonna take half its health in damage from one hit. So, we break out a different tactic.  Shinya’s special move we got from Rank 1 of his Confidant lets us instantly knock this guy down in exchange for all the bullets in Maaku’s clip.    balm of life full revive, no mercy good ann smg. opal for sell. very sleep.  many less bad than current gun     drop other arm  then, we hit yellow (green?????) press control  stop press, cross to enemies  But we have to do this. I smell the Treasure somewhere past where they are. Brace yourselves…!I have accepted that Renegade will never stop. Please kill me.  ANY WHO APPROACHES THIS PLACE WILL BE CRUSHED! WE SHALL CARRY OUT OUR PRESIDENT’S WILL WITH GLEE! Corporobo MDL-CH Music: Keeper of Lust  This is a simple fight. I took more damage from my own Physical attacks then I did from the enemies, because they only use Matarunda/Masukunda and regular attacks. They’re also weak to Psy, so go nuts.  Their gimmick, though, is that there’s three waves of them. Still, nothing to fear. 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Is this what it feels like to feel true, genuine joy through abject depression for the first time in years? I’m just… at peace. For the first time in a long time, I feel hope-- Music: Renegade Music: Renegade Music: Renegade Music: Renegade Music: Renegade AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Arist fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Aug 28, 2019 |
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The lesson, kids, is to make sure your antiviruses are up to date and don't download anything weird off the internet. Also: I feel like this is the least subtle dungeon in a game full of unsubtle dungeons.
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Grouchio posted:Is this worse than the water temple in Ocarina? The water temple has satisfying bosses and cool items as a reward. This dungeon has none of that. It's worse.
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I've never played Ocarina (I know, I know) but I assume this Palace is also much longer.
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I just finished this dungeon on my own playthrough. From the first safe room to the treasure took me four hours, with an extra half hour of dicking around in the Velvet Room trying to level Strength (and not being able to because everything I had to fuse was a higher level than I was). I actually really like the dungeon, but it is so long. Also, this is part of the PSN Golden Week sale if anybody wants to pick up a copy for 45% off. I think all the Persona stuff is on sale, but the rest of it is dirt cheap compared to this, which is otherwise still $60.
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Arist posted:I've never played Ocarina (I know, I know) but I assume this Palace is also much longer. This palace is Real Fuckin Bad.
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Okumura's Palace is way more straight forward and ever so slightly less tedious than the Water Temple (where everything looks the loving same and you can screw yourself with the keys). It makes up for that by being long as hell and having even more questionable design decisions.
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You've got Ann and Makoto on the same line here. Arist posted:*beep* *beep* *beep* What's new Pussycat!
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The Water Temple in Ocarina isn't even that bad. It just became a self-referential meme at some point. This looks way more tedious.
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