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Oxxidation posted:different thing, the p3 protagonists summoned their personas by confronting their own mortality so they had gun-shaped doodads meant to evoke the pain and fear of suicide without the actual dying bit But, unlike Persona's 1, 2a, 2b, 4 and 5, they don't contract with their personas and are instead brute forcing them into action. Edit: new page, whee DanielCross posted:The real question is, would Evokers fire actual ammo in the Metaverse since they look pretty real? depends on if the users and demons believe they're real. the airsofts are pretty realistic but the evokers aren't. cdyoung fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Aug 28, 2018 |
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Persona 1 and 2 have it so Personas basically manifest like Stands in the real world, right?
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Aug 28, 2018 23:45
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I loved the second twist so much, especially since once we got to Sae's palace in real time I had an inkling of what was going on and what could have happened, and it turned out I was really close. But yeah, "we got em" was a great little scene.
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Aug 28, 2018 23:50
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Mraagvpeine posted:Thinking about it, getting a Persona means going through one or two of the 5 stages of grief. For the record: first is Denial, second Anger, third Bargaining, fourth Depression, and finally Acceptance. Denial and Acceptance go with Persona 4, Anger with Persona 5, and Depression with Persona 3. Persona 5 also features Bargaining. Pretty much all the Persona Awakenings we see over the course of the game involve the character's Shadow mentioning forming a contract or a pact for their power.
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Aug 29, 2018 01:16
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Funky Valentine posted:Persona 1 and 2 have it so Personas basically manifest like Stands in the real world, right? pretty much, P1 and both P2s didn't have some quazi-metaspace where demons and shadows existed. Demons and Personae were both real things and effected real space, since they were also based in Shin Megami Tensei If...'s universe. So if the P1 and both P2 crews showed up in P3/4/5 they'd laugh off the fact the new generations need a special place to summon and just solve all the problems with liberal application of BRAIN GODS.
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Aug 29, 2018 04:32
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cdyoung posted:pretty much, P1 and both P2s didn't have some quazi-metaspace where demons and shadows existed. Demons and Personae were both real things and effected real space, since they were also based in Shin Megami Tensei If...'s universe. And actual guns that are definitely real. That they used to shoot Hitler while he wielded the Spear of Destiny.
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Aug 29, 2018 04:46
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Gruckles posted:During the Arena games while the P3 cast is inside the TV world they notice they're able to summon their personas at will without an evoker. Though Mitsuru also mentions she's done that once or twice in the real world, but it was way more difficult. It's also implied that the P3 cast are much stronger; Fuuka kinda blows Rise out of the water in terms of navigating ability. Whether this is due to experience or the way they manifest their Personas isn't made explicit though.
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Aug 29, 2018 05:14
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ApplesandOranges posted:It's also implied that the P3 cast are much stronger; Fuuka kinda blows Rise out of the water in terms of navigating ability. I thought the implication was that Fuuka was better at scouting but Rise was a better combat navigator.
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Aug 29, 2018 05:23
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I never really used Rise in Persona Q due to finding Fuka better, so I could buy that.
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Aug 29, 2018 05:39
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It’s kinda wild how, with all the various “video games cause violence/satanism” stuff, there was never any real controversy over a game where kids get superpowers by holding a gun to their head and screaming “Lucifer” but I guess Persona was just too obscure
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I never really used Rise in Persona Q due to finding Fuka better, so I could buy that. Well, Fuuka had better nav skills then Rise. Night10194 posted:And actual guns that are definitely real. Well, Jun could throw flowers with enough force to injure people and demons and Boafu was able to flick coins with the same strength of handgun bullets. cdyoung fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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Aug 29, 2018 07:09
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Hunt11 posted:I thought the implication was that Fuuka was better at scouting but Rise was a better combat navigator. meanwhile futaba is making entire squadrons of enemies play Look the Other Way while screaming "GET ON MY LEVEL"
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Aug 29, 2018 13:15
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Mover posted:It’s kinda wild how, with all the various “video games cause violence/satanism” stuff, there was never any real controversy over a game where kids get superpowers by holding a gun to their head and screaming “Lucifer” but I guess Persona was just too obscure Yeah, I dunno. Maybe it being an obscure-ish JRPG had something to do with it. Because people just go 'lol, Japan' any time something weirder than than the screen changing colors like you're on drugs happens.
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Aug 29, 2018 13:45
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Persona 3 was obscure as hell, remember that 4 is when the series hit the big time in America which is where most of the Video Games are evil stuff crops up hardest. Furthermore the most popular version of Persona 3 was on the PSP, which 0 people care about corrupting the youth.
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Aug 29, 2018 14:59
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Lord_Magmar posted:Furthermore the most popular version of Persona 3 was on the PSP, which 0 people care about corrupting the youth. https://youtu.be/4l7ng-U_fks
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Aug 29, 2018 16:03
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Mover posted:It’s kinda wild how, with all the various “video games cause violence/satanism” stuff, there was never any real controversy over a game where kids get superpowers by holding a gun to their head and screaming “Lucifer” but I guess Persona was just too obscure My favorite part of the Persona 4 anime is when Yu summons the Antichrist as a representation of how strong his bonds with his friends have become.
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Aug 29, 2018 16:22
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Okay, you got me, I don't watch Fox News because I'm not American. The point still stands that as far as things people were worried about the PSP was rather low compared to actual consoles. Also on further thought Persona 3 doesn’t really fit the usual narrative of realistic violent video games corrupting the youth, because Persona 3 is not realistic looking at all and not a first person genre, which seems to be where the largest issue arises in these “claims”. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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Aug 29, 2018 17:34
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Lord_Magmar posted:Persona 3 was obscure as hell, remember that 4 is when the series hit the big time in America which is where most of the Video Games are evil stuff crops up hardest. Furthermore the most popular version of Persona 3 was on the PSP, which 0 people care about corrupting the youth. It had two re-releases, that's not obscure. it was THE breakout game for the persona series.
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yeah, I remember it getting hyped as hell in gaming magazines and sites, so it wasn't under the radar at all if you pay any attention to video games.
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Aug 30, 2018 00:22
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He's not american, we don't know how good or bad coverage is on his home country.
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I don't remember Persona 3 Hype but I do remember Persona 4 Hype, but you've convinced me it's just that I wasn't paying attention. I feel though that the fact Persona 4 got a re-release, and 2 spin-offs, means it was significantly more popular in the general public opinion than P3 anyway.
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Aug 30, 2018 04:02
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Lord_Magmar posted:I don't remember Persona 3 Hype but I do remember Persona 4 Hype, but you've convinced me it's just that I wasn't paying attention. Part of it is that Atlus went through a corporate restructuring between P3 and P4 iirc, and part of it was that P3 proved that Persona games could be financially successful.
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Aug 30, 2018 04:06
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P4 seemed to be made as a quick cash-in on P3's surprising popularity, imo. SMT titles had always been cult hits at best, but P3 opened the door to mainstream success. The turnaround time between P3 and P4 was astonishingly short.
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Aug 30, 2018 04:29
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IIRC they recycled a lot of the models and behind-the-hood stuff for P4, which undoubtedly helped a lot.
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Clarste posted:P4 seemed to be made as a quick cash-in on P3's surprising popularity, imo. SMT titles had always been cult hits at best, but P3 opened the door to mainstream success. The turnaround time between P3 and P4 was astonishingly short. well the two games were started simultaneously, Like how P5 and P4G were started at the same time. So yeah, cross pollenization and all that.
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Aug 30, 2018 05:10
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Clarste posted:P4 seemed to be made as a quick cash-in on P3's surprising popularity, imo. SMT titles had always been cult hits at best, but P3 opened the door to mainstream success. The turnaround time between P3 and P4 was astonishingly short. Weird that the 'quick cash-in' was better in pretty much every way than the thing it was supposedly cashing in on.
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LordNagash posted:Weird that the 'quick cash-in' was better in pretty much every way than the thing it was supposedly cashing in on. Like argue all you want over the story, P4's gameplay is way better even if it suffers from the series long Start To First Save problem, and a far better balance with S. Links. P3 original was insanely tight with the s.links and iirc it was almost impossible to 100% all the links on a first run since so many share the same time slots (remakes moved Tanaka and a few other s. links to the evening to help relieve the pressure). And honestly, I like most of P4's cast better pre spin off character flattening
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Wasn't Atlus also in a financial bind when they were making Persona 4 and that made it their hail mary? I mean they got bought out by Sega anyway
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HIJK posted:Wasn't Atlus also in a financial bind when they were making Persona 4 and that made it their hail mary? I mean they got bought out by Sega anyway well that financial bind was because their parent company got caught doing some record-breaking corporate corporate larceny Atlus itself was actually doing pretty well, Index was however doing some massive number inflating.
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LordNagash posted:Weird that the 'quick cash-in' was better in pretty much every way than the thing it was supposedly cashing in on. I would certainly hope that they learned from their mistakes. "Oh hey, turns out not being able to control your characters isn't fun." Honestly, I like P4 better than P3. But I still think it's pretty clear that it's essentially a full-length expansion pack with the exact same gameplay systems and a few quality of life tweaks.
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Clarste posted:I would certainly hope that they learned from their mistakes. "Oh hey, turns out not being able to control your characters isn't fun." I have no problems not being able to control my characters directly, if I can at least give them general instructions. FFXII's gambit system appeals to the same part of me that spends 200 hours in Factorio. More games should use that type of system. Let me entirely automate random battles dammit. They also learned that randomised fusions aren't fun, too.
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While P4 is probably a better game, with a more clear story. P3 I feel had more highs and made me more emotional. Certainly had a better climax. Also I definitely remember P3 hype over here.
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Part 153: 11/20: Behind The Scenes Music: Aria of the Soul     But why were you killed? Why did you have to die? Do you remember…? It seems you forgot an important fact while your consciousness was hazy. Indeed… Your “death” was a necessity for your escape from certain doom. *chuckle* What a tremendous plan. How might you be capable of executing such a feat…? Well then, let us rouse the memories which are missing…   That’s right. It was during the school festival...   Maaku shakes his head.   Pfff.  There’s no way he could’ve reacted like that if he hadn’t heard me.  My thoughts exactly. It was your social studies trip. We met him in the hallway of that TV station…    This whole deal feels sketchy.  Yeah. It’s impossible not to think that of him. OK… Let’s get everyone on the same page right away.So Ann knew the whole time? But she’s a terrible actress!   If it’s possible, I want to eavesdrop on their phone conversation.  That’ll be tough…  I agree. Hmmm… I’d have to plant a bug directly on the phone…  So it’s impossible even for you…     ...That’s perfect.  Don’t worry, I’ll tell you the details later.    Futaba’s going to do something…? I wonder if it’ll be OK...       It’ll be a gamble… I think it’s gonna work. You can’t tell a thing.  Wait, you weren’t even in that last scene, Maaku! This “game” is not over yet.“Another fifteen hours, give or take.” There are still things that must be done.  ...That’s right. This is what really happened to me at that moment... But before that, we need to rewind and see that Sae scene we missed last time!     Music: Disquiet   How do they know I have this…!?  Goro Akechi is evil. He didn’t come to interrogate the captured Phantom Thief… He came to kill him.   (phone) We could say he stole the guard’s gun and committed suicide during his imprisonment… How about that? Yes, the guard will be one of ours. We’ll have to eliminate him after to destroy the evidence though...  Don’t trust the guard, either. He’s an accomplice as well. Now then, I’ll tell you detailed steps to take. You must save Maaku Hamiru. You want me to… save him?      U-Um, nothing… Anyway, what brings you here? I thought you were done with your business… Did anyone else stop by?  …… Nobody? Th-There’d be no reason for anyone else to come down here!    It’s Akechi-kun. He had to take a sudden call, so he won’t be able to make it down today. Huh? ...I’ve been asked to handle things instead.   I suggest you go into hiding at once if you value your life. Y-Yes, ma’am… And don’t say a word of what transpired here. Trust nobody. Forget this ever happened.  Well, that was simple! Now, where were we?  The Reveal          Maaku, you wily alive bastard.
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IT WAS THE GODDAMN PANCAKES THAT DID HIM IN!
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Okay, what happened, exactly? I'm super confused.
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SweaterGear posted:So Goro just heard Morgana talk in that hallway, right? Nobody else said anything about pancakes before then. I wonder what that's all about, especially since nobody besides From way back then: yup, he totally did and the party immediately caught on it. E: in-universe the pancake slip was about 5 months before Pancake-kun tried to infiltrate the group. E2: Neopie posted:Okay, what happened, exactly? I'm super confused. Explanations will come later, when we're safely back at Leblanc. Omobono fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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"i lived bitch"
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Neopie posted:Okay, what happened, exactly? I'm super confused. Edit: Deleted Hunt11 fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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We're literally one update away from the explanation, please don't.
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